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to expect parents to have life insurance as a matter of course?

313 replies

probablyoverinsured · 23/02/2023 10:59

Is it not the first thing you think about when you first hold your newborn? How can I best care for this little one? What do I need to do/sacrifice to ensure their welfare? in any circumstances?

I appreciate you can't be insured for every eventuality, and with the best will in the world, you can think you have taken out adequate insurance, and in the event it doesn't actually pay out for some reason or other.

But it's about £2 a week, in most cases - surely this is factored into the cost of providing for a child, when you do your calculations? I expect there are a few that can't afford it, but most can.

I am just amazed to hear of someone recently, really struggling, with no life insurance payout for the children, because there was no policy.

Am I living in a fool's paradise? Don't most parents have life insurance? Am I just showing my ignorance? Why wouldn't a parent have life insurance? Do you? if not, why not?

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Sunsetintheeast · 23/02/2023 17:08

Aphrathestorm · 23/02/2023 14:09

No never had it. Huge waste of money. My money was better spent on actually providing for my dc.

Until the day you die unexpectedly.

Sunsetintheeast · 23/02/2023 17:09

Candleabra · 23/02/2023 17:07

Why is it just as important to have terminal illness cover?

Pretty much ALL life insurance has terminal illness cover. Effectively if they know they are going to be paying, they will pay a year early.

Sunsetintheeast · 23/02/2023 17:11

OutofEverything · 23/02/2023 16:41

@doingitalllagain how old are you?
And terminal illness pays out if you are expected to die within 12 months of a terminal illness diagnosis. That only happens if you are very unlucky. Everyone I know who has died from cancer for example lived longer than that with treatment.

That’s not the point, it’s always linked to life insurance, not stand alone. Once an illness has cut life expectancy to 12 months, they prepay the life cover

DramaLlama20 · 23/02/2023 17:13

MissDollyMix · 23/02/2023 11:06

It’s definitely not £2 a wee!! We got ours in our 20s, healthy non-smokers, and it’s nearly £100 a month! (And that is only a small policy, doesn’t include critical illness)

Unless you have a massive mortgage or lots of health conditions you need to redo this as you're being ripped off. Unless it does cover critical illness and you're unaware.

DramaLlama20 · 23/02/2023 17:15

Also critical illness cover and income protection are sometimes even more important than life cover, they cost more because they cover more and statistically more likely to be claimed upon. A good financial planner or decent mortgage advisor would set you up with all as needed (and within budget) as part of sorting your mortgage. Or separately as required if you're mortgage free. Worth looking into for those that have children or partners or want to protect themselves if single.

Frankldearest · 23/02/2023 17:23

As a single parent I looked into this and it was very expensive - for not very much in return. If you have some money that would go to your child in the event of your death- eg equity in your house - I think it's better to save what you would have to pay in insurance premiums. I don't think it's worth it. And I think it makes even less sense if your DC has 2 parents, and possibly even other supportive relatives.

PanettoneMoly · 23/02/2023 17:38

I have life assurance and income protection through work but DH is under a consultant for heart problems and insurers are understandably reluctant to cover him until he’s discharged back to the GP.

Badknitter · 23/02/2023 17:38

TedMullins · 23/02/2023 13:25

I started self harming when I was 14. Many policies won't cover you if you have self-harm on your medical records. By the time I was old enough to take out life insurance, I was already ineligible. As PP have said you're showing ableist privilege thinking everyone can 'just' get it that easily.

This

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/02/2023 17:41

Frankldearest · 23/02/2023 17:23

As a single parent I looked into this and it was very expensive - for not very much in return. If you have some money that would go to your child in the event of your death- eg equity in your house - I think it's better to save what you would have to pay in insurance premiums. I don't think it's worth it. And I think it makes even less sense if your DC has 2 parents, and possibly even other supportive relatives.

But in the case of minor children say, a 2 and 5 year old most people don't have enough in equity to finish rearing these kids to age 18 and then send them to uni. If something happens to the parent(s), who do they think is going to fund the next 10-15 years of childrearing?

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/02/2023 17:42

Badknitter · 23/02/2023 17:38

This

So, what's the plan, then? Just roll the dice and assume others will pick up the slack if something happens to the parent(s)?

monomatapea · 23/02/2023 17:43

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/02/2023 17:42

So, what's the plan, then? Just roll the dice and assume others will pick up the slack if something happens to the parent(s)?

Save as much as I can and hope for the best

Simonjt · 23/02/2023 17:47

£2 a week will buy a shit policy. For some with pre-existing conditions life insurance can be expensive, its better than it was, at one point my best quote was nearly £200 a month, sod that. It has come down much more in recent years, but those of us with chronic conditions are more likely to have a lower income and higher outgoings, so having a policy that is just 10-20% more expensive than average can be unaffordable.

reluctantbrit · 23/02/2023 17:48

We have it, even before DD was born. First just attached to the mortgage but when she was born we upped it to DH having critical illness and death cover as he is the higher earner. It was set up to last until DD is 18 so if he wouldn't be able to work anymore we had income.

I am covered via work with a 8x annual salary life insurance.

I know unfortunately cases in my family and colleagues where a spouse (and always the higher earner) got so serious ill that they weren't able to work at all/not for several years and then only with restrictions. In all cases the family had young children. Without insurance in place, they would have lost their house and ended on benefits.

While insurance is hardly £2/week, it is worth having it.

Simonjt · 23/02/2023 17:53

probablyoverinsured · 23/02/2023 13:22

but thats when you take it out! when you are young and healthy.

So I should have taken out a policy when I was 6? My husband before birth?

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/02/2023 17:53

Yes, if it’s not prohibitively expensive. Just try getting it with existing health conditions at an affordable cost.

arethereanyleftatall · 23/02/2023 18:05

It's an individual choice isn't it.

Weigh up the risks, dependent on your own situation.

Many people are anecdotally talking about tragedies that do occur, but let's face it, most of the time don't, hopefully and thankfully.

Putting in £100 a month from age 20, say till 60 is £1200 a year; £50k over said time. Or instead Overpay from the beginning on your mortgage and that £50k is possibly £100k (cos you no longer pay the interest on that bit for the next 25 years).

saraclara · 23/02/2023 18:23

I am covered via work with a 8x annual salary life insurance.

So many people have mentioned this as their alternative. Which is fine if you stay in that job/aren't made redundant/have to stop working due to ill health, before the illness actually kills you (as in the case of my late DH).

By the time you lose/leave your job with the nice comfy death in service package, you're older or have more of a medical history, and may well find it difficult to replace it with an insurance policy.

Frankldearest · 23/02/2023 18:29

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/02/2023 17:41

But in the case of minor children say, a 2 and 5 year old most people don't have enough in equity to finish rearing these kids to age 18 and then send them to uni. If something happens to the parent(s), who do they think is going to fund the next 10-15 years of childrearing?

To get a substantial payment on death required a really substantial investment. My DCs are now adults. And actually, bringing children up doesn't have to be very expensive, once they're no longer in paid nursery. And yes, the equity in the house and the money in my pension scheme would have more than covered the cost of their uncle and aunt bringing them up (which they had agreed to do if necessary). I'm glad I didn't throw that money away. I don't pay for pet insurance, on the same basis.

Bluebellysmell · 23/02/2023 18:33

I'm a single parent and nope don't have it.
So many circs where it wouldn't pay out.
It's not £2 a WEEK, it's not even £2 a day it's more like £100 a month.

My son will get a good chunk of equity from the house if I pop my clogs.

Right now I couldn't afford it, I work public sector and pay rises for last 12 years have been massively below inflation.
Right now when my energy company keep trying to bill me more than my mortgage I can't afford it.

3LittleFishes · 23/02/2023 18:37

Well OP you can expect all you like, some people are looking down the back of the sofa right now for a couple of quid to buy food for their kids.
Maybe you should expect that everyone living in a nice middle class bubble to have life insurance?

wot3va · 23/02/2023 18:43

We pay £40 a month on a joint policy . Pays out £500k if one of us dies. Have critical illness through work at £12 a month that pays our £100k and then death in service

VanGoghsDog · 23/02/2023 18:44

Maverickess · 23/02/2023 12:03

My DD is over 18 now, and we both had life insurance when she was born. And it wasn't £2 a week then either.

Unfortunately he fucked off not long after and I had to cut costs to be able to afford to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table, despite a ft job. I intended on banking the thousands he owed in maintenance for her future, but the CSA wrote that off so that was a no go.

I have my work pension (the one everyone gets) and I think that has a death in service benefit, so best hope I drop dead at work, also have now, a funeral plan. I've only been able to afford that in the last couple of years. There's been times in the past I've been tempted to stop my pension contributions too, bailiffs can be very 'persuasive' when they are collecting owed council tax, even when you're paying what you can afford.

I don't have a mortgage because the ex wrecked both our credit ratings so no cover there.

I'm in a better financial place that I've ever been right now, but still can't justify the premiums because I'm trying to support DD through university so she doesn't have to live the life I have.

So you can take your "It's the responsible thing to do as a parent" and stick it where the sun doesn't shine quite frankly because you have no idea what life is like for people not in a comfortable little judgemental bubble.

You do not have to literally die at work for your beneficiaries to get the death in service benefit (what an odd idea, in over 35 years of working I've never had someone die at work, though I have dealt with a few death in service claims), you only have to be on the payroll.

VanGoghsDog · 23/02/2023 18:47

Bluebellysmell · 23/02/2023 18:33

I'm a single parent and nope don't have it.
So many circs where it wouldn't pay out.
It's not £2 a WEEK, it's not even £2 a day it's more like £100 a month.

My son will get a good chunk of equity from the house if I pop my clogs.

Right now I couldn't afford it, I work public sector and pay rises for last 12 years have been massively below inflation.
Right now when my energy company keep trying to bill me more than my mortgage I can't afford it.

Life insurance doesn't actually have many situations where it won't pay out. Dead or alive is pretty much a binary concept. Dead - pay out. Alive - no pay out.

Some won't pay in the first year, some don't cover existing conditions, but you know that when you buy it, and some don't cover suicide. But you buy what you need, you can buy cover without those exclusions. But probably not for £2 a week.

I don't have kids so I've never bothered with life insurance.

Pinkblanket · 23/02/2023 18:51

We don't have it anymore because we have paid off our mortgage, get a good death in service benefit each , could manage on one salary and the children are a lot older now.

Roselilly36 · 23/02/2023 18:52

Most need that as an absolute minimum, critical illness insurance too preferably, although I appreciate CI premiums have risen astronomically, I wonder why?