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AIBU To Think That The Plots Of The Chalet School Books Were Really Improbable

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TheShellBeach · 22/02/2023 15:30

.................................such as Prince Cosimo, the endless kidnappings, all the train crashes/bus crashes/car crashes/plane crashes/boat sinkings hang on a minute, were there any boat sinkings

Okay, I've just remembered that there were a couple of near misses with boats when the CS was on the island. Joey was nearly flung overboard once (a missed opportunity for EBD to get rid of her IMO) and there were probably others.

Anyway - all aboard and ahoy there.

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CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 09:46

SockQueen · 14/10/2024 09:32

I think EBD hated/didn't understand maths and so it was always viewed with deep suspicion throughout the series. All the main protagonists are bad at maths, and most of the teachers of it are not given the sympathetic portrayal other subject teachers get. Most of the girls who are good at maths are then shown to be not good Chalet girls in other ways (e.g. Phil Craven).

Simone Lecoutier may be the exception among the teachers, but she only does it for a short while before following her True Destiny and getting married and having babies.

Because she’s ’too sweet to teach all her life’ (I quote)? I think Joey was the one who said it, or did she? Though why she didn’t also sit down Hilda, Bill, Matey, Nancy Wilmot, Mademoiselle de Lachennais etc and explain to them that they were ‘too sweet to teach’ forever is another matter. Maybe they weren’t too sweet. Or why, given her ‘butting in’, why she didn’t strong arm Anna into marrying her suitor…?

Leftoverssandwich · 14/10/2024 10:15

The fill-ins are a mixed bag, but I do enjoy how the ones I've read end up trying to rationalise some of the odd bits of the books!

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 10:16

Simone Lecoutier may be the exception among the teachers, but she only does it for a short while before following her True Destiny and getting married and having babies

Simone didn't bag a doctor though, so that might have been her punishment for liking maths.

I've never understood why Simone stayed friendly with Jo as they moved into adulthood. Didn't she realise that Jo had been a prize bitch to her since the day they'd met? Good MN thread material.

("Nasty old schoolfriend asked herself to stay with six of her DC. AIBU to poison or stab her as soon as soon as she arrives? She always treated me like dirt")

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RegimentalSturgeon · 14/10/2024 11:57

To be fair to Joey she was breast feeding triplets, no wonder she wanted a nap

Why does that bring Eccentrica Gallumbits to mind, @saffy9876 ?

CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 12:03

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 10:16

Simone Lecoutier may be the exception among the teachers, but she only does it for a short while before following her True Destiny and getting married and having babies

Simone didn't bag a doctor though, so that might have been her punishment for liking maths.

I've never understood why Simone stayed friendly with Jo as they moved into adulthood. Didn't she realise that Jo had been a prize bitch to her since the day they'd met? Good MN thread material.

("Nasty old schoolfriend asked herself to stay with six of her DC. AIBU to poison or stab her as soon as soon as she arrives? She always treated me like dirt")

Yes, she only bags a lowly chap who works for his uncle, and then they have fertility problems (through, from what I can remember, this in the CS world means ‘not having loads of babies in quick succession’). And even when Simone bags a chateau via inheritance from her husband’s rich uncle, she has to ask Joey’s advice about decorating it.

You can imagine Joey in some exquisite old chateau, all mouldings and chandeliers, and saying ‘Right, well let’s put up some dainty floral wallpaper and dainty chintz curtains and furnish it entirely in wicker!’

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 14/10/2024 12:31

I hope Simone had no intention of taking Jo's advice and was just making a point about 'look how very very very rich I am'.

CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 12:35

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 14/10/2024 12:31

I hope Simone had no intention of taking Jo's advice and was just making a point about 'look how very very very rich I am'.

Now imaging a Changing Rooms-type scenario where Simone leaves Joey at the chateau unsupervised for a few days while she goes on holiday, and comes back to find Joey has redecorated the east wing in lime-green paint and dainty florals, and has thrown out the priceless Louis Quatorze furniture in favour of cosy wicker.

Coolcats24 · 14/10/2024 17:51

Biddy [ forgotten her surname] who said Begorrah a lot. She didn't but her Oirishness was very hammed up
Then she became a very patronising adult 😆

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 17:57

Coolcats24 · 14/10/2024 17:51

Biddy [ forgotten her surname] who said Begorrah a lot. She didn't but her Oirishness was very hammed up
Then she became a very patronising adult 😆

And married a doctor.

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 14/10/2024 18:19

And managed to keep her creamy Kerry brogue despite not going anywhere near Ireland for decades.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 14/10/2024 18:41

Biddy was O'Ryan. Slightly unusual, most Ryans dropped the O for English usage, but no reason she shouldn't use it. Did she ever live in Ireland? For some reason I thought her father was in the army in India.

TheKeatingFive · 14/10/2024 19:02

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 14/10/2024 18:41

Biddy was O'Ryan. Slightly unusual, most Ryans dropped the O for English usage, but no reason she shouldn't use it. Did she ever live in Ireland? For some reason I thought her father was in the army in India.

Her mother was a lady's maid to some Irish aristo I think

MissyB1 · 14/10/2024 19:02

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 17:57

And married a doctor.

It was in the contract for all staff that if you met a fella and left to marry him he must be in the medical profession. Preferably he should work at the Sanatorium so that you never really get to leave. And Jo will be able to keep turning up to your house like a bad smell!

TheKeatingFive · 14/10/2024 19:04

MissyB1 · 14/10/2024 19:02

It was in the contract for all staff that if you met a fella and left to marry him he must be in the medical profession. Preferably he should work at the Sanatorium so that you never really get to leave. And Jo will be able to keep turning up to your house like a bad smell!

It was the ultimate prize for 'good' chalet girls. She also had twins, I think. Another prize doled out to EBD's favs.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 14/10/2024 20:26

TheKeatingFive · 14/10/2024 19:02

Her mother was a lady's maid to some Irish aristo I think

Miss Honora. I’m surprised Biddy didn’t name her daughter after her.

Rosamund Lilley’s mum was a lady’s maid too. That seemed to be the acceptable job for working class women, I suppose because they were set a good example - I remember Mrs Lilley was ‘far more ladylike’ than Joan Baker’s mum, who had been a ‘young lady in a shop’.

Leftoverssandwich · 14/10/2024 20:28

A lady’s maid was very far up the scale in a large household. Although even by the 30s they weren’t very common! So they’d have been working in a pretty wealthy house.

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 20:34

EmpressaurusOfCats · 14/10/2024 20:26

Miss Honora. I’m surprised Biddy didn’t name her daughter after her.

Rosamund Lilley’s mum was a lady’s maid too. That seemed to be the acceptable job for working class women, I suppose because they were set a good example - I remember Mrs Lilley was ‘far more ladylike’ than Joan Baker’s mum, who had been a ‘young lady in a shop’.

I remember EBD was very scathing about Joan's permed hair. Obviously, only very common girls had perms.

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CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 20:45

Leftoverssandwich · 14/10/2024 20:28

A lady’s maid was very far up the scale in a large household. Although even by the 30s they weren’t very common! So they’d have been working in a pretty wealthy house.

I think EBD didn’t understand social class in Ireland. Deira O’Hagan is presumably Anglo-Irish, as she’s a debutante and presented at Court when she leaves the CS, yet she speaks the same ‘Begorrah’ Stage-Irish as Biddy, daughter of an upper servant.

And doesn’t Deira end up running a shop in New Zealand with Grizel? even if we assume the O’Hagans were burnt out during the war of independence, it seems like a slightly unlikely occupation for an Ascendancy daughter.

I don’t think EBD knew what to do with Irish characters if they weren’t all blarneying Wild Irish Girls or wheedling types like Juliet’s wet fiancé, who ditches her because she’s out of the wrong drawer socially until Joey reforms him…

CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 20:46

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 20:34

I remember EBD was very scathing about Joan's permed hair. Obviously, only very common girls had perms.

And eat fish and chips on the street with boys! And eat shop-bought cake!

TheShellBeach · 14/10/2024 22:44

CrackedLookingGlass · 14/10/2024 20:46

And eat fish and chips on the street with boys! And eat shop-bought cake!

OMG yes! The shop-bought cake.
I have a feeling it was referred to as "cheap", too.

I did wonder, when reading this book, how Miss Annersley was ever hoodwinked by the common Mr. Baker into accepting his equally common daughter.

Money talks, methinks. Mr. B. must have agreed to fund an endless supply of Kuchen for the staff room, or was it some new cretonnes for the dormies?

Or even a large supply of illicit sedatives for Matey, so that she could continue to drug the CS at her leisure.

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Howyoualldoworkme · 14/10/2024 23:12

Gremlinsateit · 13/10/2024 23:28

Talking of bird names - we had a collection of girls’ own stories which probably dated from the late 60s. One of the stories, I think called “A Robin in the Nest”, was about a girl called Zipporah arriving at boarding school and being nicknamed Robin. Her grandfather wanted her to study boring law, and she had to do work experience in a stuffy solicitor’s office, but she wanted to be a children’s nurse like the other girls. Does anyone recognise this? Was it part of a series?

I had that book and I've always remembered that story. She had blonde hair tied back with a brown velvet ribbon! I can see the illustration in my mind 🙂
That was a lovely book. I think it might just have been called 'Stories for Girls'
I'm 68 so I must have read it in the 1960s!

Gremlinsateit · 15/10/2024 02:20

Thank you @Howyoualldoworkme , that is it! The last screenshot of this Etsy listing has the Zipporah story :) www.etsy.com/au/listing/1670758690/stories-for-girls-selected-and-edited-by

Howyoualldoworkme · 15/10/2024 15:21

Gremlinsateit · 15/10/2024 02:20

Thank you @Howyoualldoworkme , that is it! The last screenshot of this Etsy listing has the Zipporah story :) www.etsy.com/au/listing/1670758690/stories-for-girls-selected-and-edited-by

That's exactly the illustration in my head!
It's quite easily available for a reasonable price in the UK so I'm going to get a copy 🙂

peaceandsolidarity · 15/10/2024 22:42

It's because the only men these women ever met WERE doctors! If there hadn't been a 'San' nearby (a complex facility that apparently had no problem being moved at the drop of a hat every time the school relocated), the teachers would have ended up with each other!

Gremlinsateit · 15/10/2024 22:46

Howyoualldoworkme · 15/10/2024 15:21

That's exactly the illustration in my head!
It's quite easily available for a reasonable price in the UK so I'm going to get a copy 🙂

It is quite possible that I may have bought the Etsy one :) Thanks again!