Mocking Christianity

[Ihatepcos]

I am so sick of people thinking it's okay to ridicule Catholicism and Christianity. This is especially apparent on Mumsnet. Every time there's a thread about religion I can't even read the replies because they're so awful.

The same doesn't seem to apply to the Muslim, Jewish, Hindu faiths etc.

If you don't believe in God that is your choice. But purposely mocking someone's faith and calling it a load of bullshit (and worse) is just not acceptable. So many people turn to faith to help them through extremely tough times in life and you are mocking the only thing that is keeping them going.

Interesting question

Is it ok?

Well - freedom of speech and expression is a big thing at the moment. The Government and certain media groups are very keen to ensure that people are allowed to express their opinions and views, regardless of how controversial and offensive they may be to others.

I suspect though that if someone did burn poppies, then there would be an outcry and calls would be made to cancel that person. By the same people who get upset about cancel culture and believe in freedom of expression.

The same people would then defend someone else who was doing something they supported and would get upset if they were cancelled.

I am reading a really interesting book on moral philosophy at the moment - linked to the Good Place.

Linked to the Trolley problem (Contains Good Place spoilers)

It's interesting reading views on the church. I'm currently 'churchless' as I left a CofE Church and went to a 'free' Church. After lockdown, I havent been back much, except to do community activities.
I find it easier to practice my faith out of Church. I have a couple of Christian friends I can share things with.
I have always described myself as a person of faith though, rather than religious. I think there's a difference.

Ihatepcos because you don't get to dictate your intolerant views on me. No one is forcing you to read threads.

I think I know what you mean by Christian values. What I disagree with though is they're particularly Christian. Those same values are also Islamic, Jewish etc....but most importantly human values. Yes, those of us who are not religious also thinknits wrong to steal and murder

I wonder if humans when they came out of the trees and formed groups had discussions about the ethics of stealing, killing etc?

@cakeorwine
I'm pretty sure they did BEFORE Christianity came along.

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It's interesting that christians these days play victim card with any mockery even though, their religion acted pretty vile and murderous towards anyone who didn't agree for past 1000s of years but only now are they pretending about being victims.

A few few things if you god is so strong and powerful why would it care about mokery as it would be a joke to it.

And let's face it god is a evil bastard who let's people suffer in lots of pain, and before you give me the free will argument about cancer etc because you insist these people deserve this, which is really offensive because most dont , if it doesn't do anything then there is no point in praying to it as it doesn't change anything.

It would be quite revolting to say that people deserve to be ill, suffering or in lots of pain.

I believe that people make each other suffer, from their actions, not God.

Also, prayer has worked for me.

I dont consider myself to be a victim. Quite the opposite. A victim of what? Yes, reading some of this thread has been difficult, but victim is quite an over reaction, I'd say.

What do you believe happens when you pray?

I believe that God listens, because I believe He is always there. I believe He has a plan, and that it's better than anything I could think up.
I don't see it as a, can I have this, that or the other please? Thank you. I see it as an ongoing conversation, like I would with someone close to me.
Sometimes I've been very disappointed, but then seen a reason why it wouldn't have worked after. Sometimes this hasn't come to light for a while though. Then something else has happened which has taken me by surprise.

This is very personal to my experience though, I wouldn't be able to say what happens when people pray in general.

Have you been living under a rock? Other faiths get mocked all the time.

So God listens and occasionally responds.

How does he decide what and who to respond to?

@cakeorwine, no I believe He always listens and responds. Sorry, I didnt make it clear, what I meant was, sometimes I am disappointed, because His response isn't what I have planned in my head.
To me, it's a conversation, where I need to listen as well as speak.

So it's other people making cancer sufferers ill and these deserve it for their actions, if so goods a sick fuck.

So you should pray to him to make you well, whilst also forgetting he made you sick in first place, he's a gaslighting fuck nugget that God.

Please point out the people giving each other cancer and causing untold death and suffering because of it.

I’m not really religious but have a spirituality (I have an occult practice). My understanding re suffering goes back to the question of why did god create.tge geberal answer is He created an other in order to experience itself. These experience are good and bad. Whilst shit for individuals every joy snd every pain works towards gods plan of experiencing every aspect of itself. Bit shit, but that’s the general vibe. Therefore praying to stop a child dying from cancer won’t work as it is against gods plan. Prayers only work if in line with the will of God

one explanation anyway

@Againstmachine, I didnt say anyone deserved anything. It's not my place to judge who deserves what. You seem to be getting yourself worked up and not reading what I said properly.
I also didn't say I believe that God makes me ill.

Catholicism is the bedrock of paedophilia.

Is it God's place?

God sits in judgement over us.
I would suggest God takes a good look at themselves.

You believe God listens to you. I should imagine many people who believe in God have felt that God has ignored them whilst others have used their faith in God to get them through very difficult situations - ironically probably at times the same situation that people who believe in God and who feel abandoned by them.

Some people have felt punished by God. And have reacted to that. Some people think others have been punished by God and react accordingly against those people who they believe to have been punished.

And it's all free will.
God sometimes listens.
God sometimes doesn't listen

I would say that God has abandoned his creation.
Or have some people moved on and abandoned belief in God as other explanations for life on Earth develop

You said people make other people ill which is bullshit , if you believe in God then they created cancer and could cure people but chooses not too.

And if it can't do anything what's point in praying as it achieves nothing.

@Againstmachine I was talking about the fall in Genesis. That creation would always suffer due to Adam and Eve.

But I also think we leave others to suffer, when we as a whole could do a lot more to help.

As I said before, praying has worked for me. I cant tell you anymore than that because I havent experienced what you have and vice versa.

@cakeorwine I would agree that people have moved away from God.
It's only human for believers to think that God has abandoned them when things aren't going their way.
I personally have never felt punished by God. When something happens, I think that it's because of my own doing or because of circumstances.
But I stand by what I believe, that God always listens, because that's part of being faithful.