Mocking Christianity

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I am so sick of people thinking it's okay to ridicule Catholicism and Christianity. This is especially apparent on Mumsnet. Every time there's a thread about religion I can't even read the replies because they're so awful.

The same doesn't seem to apply to the Muslim, Jewish, Hindu faiths etc.

If you don't believe in God that is your choice. But purposely mocking someone's faith and calling it a load of bullshit (and worse) is just not acceptable. So many people turn to faith to help them through extremely tough times in life and you are mocking the only thing that is keeping them going.

it’s a long time since our monarchs have believed in a divine right to rule, that they’re appointed by God.*
Of course Charles the First believed in it, and look what happened to him.

No. They are "annointed" by God's holy oil by the highest prelate in the CofE and it was so personal to the queen (us plebs not being holy enough to see the actual act that she and her family believe/d elevated them all above us.
Charles will show that bit, i think? But probably only because he knows how roundly and soundly he is being criticised over the whole coronation anyway.

He is a cheating divorced and remarried (secularly since his own church doesn't allow divorce and remarriage in a church) man who is now going to be elevated by the God of that church above the rest of the people in this country. Even those who have no or other religions. It is absurd and is one of the main reasons I'm a republican.

While i can't imagine doing it personally, i do admire people with faith, just as long as they don't judge others and only if they aren't "do as i say not as i do" hypocrites.

And frankly: the wealth of the organised religions (we're talking christianity here because I'm not sure about the wealth of other religions) is obscene. Seriously and utterly obscene. Whenever i visit a spectacular church/cathedral especially the really old ones which are beautifully ornate and slathered with gold leaf, i think about the conditions the people who lived around the time it was built. About them paying tithes they couldn't afford, working hard to build something to the glory of god, seeing the priests and nobles feasting at the high table while they lived, literally, in shit among their animals, and it makes me very very cross. Even while i appreciate the beautiful craftsmanship that went into the building.

So yeah, i will mock. I mock the hypocracy rather than the individuals and their faith

Please try to "call me out", I dare you.....

I will absolutely defend your right to hold those beliefs but respect them?

I despise religion and criticise at every opportunity so good luck with that.

god is the worst thing mankind has ever invented, killed more, led to more suffering than anything else and is a drain on our species.

Its infested our political systems, schools and society as a whole and holds us back.

Good riddance to it in all its brands of nonsense.

Of course the God who the Bible was based on would say that.

I wonder if God ever thinks about who created them?

(I also love Old Harry's Game and the conversations between God and the Professor. No wonder he ended up in Hell)

'Also, it has become the norm/acceptable to take our Lords name in vain. The usage of this type of language towards any other faiths leaders would be seen as abhorrent but because it’s Christianity it just seems to be a fair cop'

Jesus wept. It's this nonsense. The demand that everyone else follows the arbitary rules you set for yourself and your religion. If you practice your faith privately no-one would care nut when you start to out your 'morals' or rules into public life and affect the rights of others that's when it becomes an issue.

I feel the same about any religion, it's just culturally, the dominate controlling religion of the UK is still Christianity. If it was Judaism, I would feel the same. If we were majority muslim I would feel the same.

'it’s a long time since our monarchs have believed in a divine right to rule, that they’re appointed by God.*

I'm not sure that Charles doesn't believe in his divine right to rule...

Also, it has become the norm/acceptable to take our Lords name in vain. The usage of this type of language towards any other faiths leaders would be seen as abhorrent but because it’s Christianity it just seems to be a fair cop'

😂 they’re not taking the lords name in vain, they can’t, they don’t believe in it! And don’t start with the victim act, people who don’t believe in religion, don’t believe in any religion, they’re all equally as stupid as each other.

I'm not sure that Charles doesn't believe in his divine right to rule...

It would be literally bonkers if he didn't believe it's his God given right to be king. Because that is LITERALLY what the accident of his birth gives him. If he didn't believe in God he'd have to abdicate and disband the whole thing. And that family are onto a good thing (although they finally seem to have got it through their thick skulls that there needs to be a lot fewer of them) so they're not giving it up without a struggle.

@Thekirit I've just read that Last Supper thread and if you're offended by that, you really need to grow a thicker skin. There's nothing to call out in there, and we are not under any obligation to respect the delicate sensibilities of the believers. If that's the level of censorship you would like to see, no online forum, no free press and no freedom of speech would exist.

I don't voluntarily call Mohammad the prophet, PBUH either. Or call Krishna, Shiva and Vishnu "Lord". Because I don't believe in a supreme being.

That's the point of living in the UK, I hope. At least on anon social media.

'I was reading a lovely thread yesterday about the painting of the last supper
Then MNs started making inappropriate remarks about what was going on in the painting'

Did I miss something, is Da Vinci some kind of divine being? Or is okay to critique a painting by a human regardless of the subject?

I just looked up the Last Supper thread. It was fun. And funny. If posters find that offensive, I honestly don't care.

People should joke about other religions too. It's not racist. As someone born Hindu, I am happy for people to make fun of the more nonsensical parts of Hinduism. There are also fascinating myths and even scientific concepts; it's a wide temple! :) But none of it is above critique and jokes.

meh the Old Testament is likely a collection of stories, half nicked from other cultures that were brought together over several hundred years where attempts were made to codify it into one system. Hence the multiple inconsistencies.

I quite like the theory of the singularity of a black hole being a wormhole into another universe. We’re probably Gods in that other universe existing within a black hole in our universe.

Our Gods are inhabitants of another universe in which the black hole containing our universe exists. Our Gods rise and fall as a holographic reflection of the rise and fall of empires in the other universe and do it goes on for infinity (probably a circle)

As someone born Hindu, I am happy for people to make fun of the more nonsensical parts of Hinduism. There are also fascinating myths and even scientific concepts; it's a wide temple! :) But none of it is above critique and jokes.

I really enjoyed Vir Das show where he explained some of it.

If I were a believer, I think I'd be quite happily getting on with it, secure in the knowledge I was getting to Heaven in the after life. I wouldn't be too fussed about non-believers or mockers of my religion, because god would deal with them. No?

I haven't seen that @SerendipityJane but DH ( also Hindu) has, and he found it quite funny despite actually believing in God. All's fair in comedy anyway.

Now I remember, there are 2 routines. One was the story of golden stags or something - very much told in a "what the fuck were they smoking?" sort of manner.

The other was to mention the vedas and how ridiculous they are - until you realise that modern science is slowly showing they may be right.

Humour can be a good way to explain other cultures sometimes. You'd have thought the British would have got that, since we can be very good at being hard on ourselves.

There was a funny series on the BBC a while back "Old Jews telling jokes". Which I really enjoyed too.

I don't mock or abuse faiths. I might not agree but I keep my counsel.

It's worth remembering however that Christianity adopted some pagan festivals and actively drove paganism underground.

It's worth remembering however that Christianity adopted some pagan festivals and actively drove paganism underground.

The quote:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

Could equally be applied to Christianity and pagan gods and festivals.

But all religion IS bullshit. Also, so called ‘Christian’s’ get more flack because of their ‘holier than thou’ attitude. I’ve met very few Christians who I would actually class as decent people. I’ve met plenty who look down on anyone who doesn’t go to church, give money to charity but is actually a complete twat who treats others like shit. I’ve met some who disown their children because they are gay, decide to opt out of religion as adults etc. Religion is also the root of the vast majority of wars and conflict in the world. I’m more baffled that anyone in this day and age is gullible enough to still believe in any form of religion!

So next time someone burns the Koran, that’s ok is it

I’ve met plenty who look down on anyone who doesn’t go to church

Ah, the oldster in me remembers a line from a song:

And I asked this God a question
And by way of firm reply
He said "I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays"

Many years ago, the BBC showed a charming made for TV file "Bar Mitzvah Boy".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Mitzvah_Boy

made a very good point about a supposedly omnipresent god.

So next time someone burns the Koran, that’s ok is it

no that's not ok. Neither is burning books, bibles, whatever.

Can you give us a link to the thread though so we can see for ourselves how awful it was?

The OPs post is whether it is OK to openly mock Christianity.

So next time someone burns the Koran, that’s ok is it

If it's the one thing that would keep a freezing person - maybe a child - alive and warm then fuck yes. And if your god - whatever name you want to hide him behind - has a problem with that then maybe you need to examine your life choices.

I didn’t say I had a ‘god’

Im thinking of others who may have