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Husband driving me insane, help!

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 03:53

NC as potentially outing. Sorry, this is long but I could really use some advice.

My husband is not from the UK and was in the army in his country for over 10 years. His contract came to an end last summer and he decided not to renew it but to look for a civilian job instead. This was partly because if he had renewed he would have had to sign up for another 10 years, by which point he would be too old to start a new career, and partly because I moved to his country to be with him because his career wasn't at all flexible, and so him doing something else in the long term was part of the deal in case I ever want to move back to the UK.

Anyway. It's been over 6 months and he has made almost no progress in finding a job. A year ago I wanted him to start taking steps to find something for September, even just update his CV, talk to recruiters etc. But our one year old was going through a big sleep regression, we were both working full time and exhausted, and he said he just didn't have the time or the energy and would look properly after he left the army. He gets severance pay from the army for 8 months so he said there was no rush.

In August he took care of our son full time while I worked. In September he got our son settled into nursery and was still basically looking after him most of the time. In October he had an unexpected job opportunity for something he hadn't really considered, had four interviews but ended up not closing the deal. I think his salary expectations were too high. But he wasted a month and didn't pursue anything else in the mean time.

During this time, I was pregnant, due in January. Once we got close to Christmas, it became obvious that he would just be at home when I had the baby, and would need to look for a job to start a few months after that.

In January I had the baby, and he had another couple of interviews for a job. This was one he would have loved, but it would have had a very long security clearance process, and in the mean time he wouldn't have been able to commit to anything else. I had misgivings about this but gave him my blessing because he clearly wanted to do it, and a job to start in 6 months is better than no job at all. In the end, that job didn't materialise either.

I'm starting to get frustrated. His severance pay runs out next month and he is just getting round to polishing his CV and writing covering letters. Even then, I'm having to kick him up the arse to get him to do it. I feel like he expected a job to fall into his lap and didn't know what was expected of him. At the same time, I also feel like I should have seen this coming and forced him to sort himself out three or four months ago, instead of letting him spend his time on (admittedly useful) distraction activities like food shopping and DIY. But I was pregnant and working full time and I didn't have the energy.

Now I'm on maternity leave and I want to enjoy my baby but I can't because my husband is hanging around all day not making enough progress, I'm worrying about our financial future if he doesn't find a job (we have plenty of savings so are OK in the short term, but it's really not ideal), and I'm starting to get resentful. He doesn't just laze around all day, he does plenty of housework and childcare and always has done. It's the current inability to find a job that is the issue.

He is also very grumpy at the moment and sometimes not very nice to me and our son. It makes me want to yell at him and tell him to get over himself, get a job, accept that toddlers throw food and babies keep you awake at night and we knew this when we decided to have another one, basically grow the fuck up.

But I can't do that because someone has to be the grown up. So here I am, 6 weeks postpartum, pacing around at 5am with the baby in the carrier, asking for advice on Mumsnet because I have to be the loving wife and the gentle parent and the sole breadwinner because no one else is doing those things right now so it has to be me.

Any advice?

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DeeCeeCherry · 21/02/2023 03:59

He wants to be a SAHD whilst you are the breadwinner. Its blatant. If you can accept and deal with that then at least paying for childcare won't be an issue. If you can't deal with this set up then there's not much hope for your relationship as you'll just argue repetitively.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:04

He definitely doesn't want to be a SAHD. Our son is at nursery full time (it's much cheaper here and once you have a place you hold onto it with both hands and never let it go, which is why he is still going despite us both being at home) and my husband is good with him for a couple of hours at a time but beyond that he tends to get frustrated.

(Our son is lovely but he's nearly two, he has tantrums, he throws things and my husband gets wound up.)

No, my husband definitely definitely wants to work, and even if he didn't, we can't afford for him not to. I think he is bored and feels shit about not having a job and me being the breadwinner at the moment.

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Rtmhwales · 21/02/2023 04:07

Is he qualified to do much? My brother left the military after 20 years (luckily on full pension) but struggled to find anything he's qualified for really and it really shook his confidence. Wonder if maybe it's the same for your DH.

TessoftheDubonnet · 21/02/2023 04:08

Do you think you might be better off if you returned to the UK? Would he let you take the children?

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:10

To give you some idea of his personality, we had a similar issue with him learning to drive. He grew up in a city and never needed to, so never did. When we were living in the city we didn't have a car or anywhere to keep one anyway, so the situation continued. Then we bought a place outside the city and he promised me he would learn to drive once we moved. We moved, we were doing building work, he didn't get round to it, then there was Covid etc, and we somehow found ourselves in a situation where we were a year past the point he'd promised to learn, I was pregnant (the first time) and he still hadn't picked up a copy of the highway code.

It took me having a full on meltdown to get him to book lessons. Once I'd done that he learned and passed quickly and now he is happy to do most of the driving.

But I don't think me having a full on meltdown is likely to be so effective in terms of him getting a job, because getting a job is much harder than passing a test and needs the right opportunity to come up and the hiring manager to see his potential and give him a chance. Me going bananas won't increase the odds of that happening, and making him feel small and useless is likely to be counterproductive in terms of getting a job, and damaging to our relationship.

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:11

Rtmhwales · 21/02/2023 04:07

Is he qualified to do much? My brother left the military after 20 years (luckily on full pension) but struggled to find anything he's qualified for really and it really shook his confidence. Wonder if maybe it's the same for your DH.

I think this is a big part of the problem tbh. And I have no idea how to help.

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:13

TessoftheDubonnet · 21/02/2023 04:08

Do you think you might be better off if you returned to the UK? Would he let you take the children?

Not really. I have a great job here, we own our own home, we have a better standard of living here than we would in the UK, more family support etc.

I don't particularly want to return to the UK, I definitely don't want to split up with him, and even if I did want those things, there's basically zero chance a court would let me leave with the children if he didn't consent. I knew that when I agreed to move here and made my peace with it.

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barmycatmum · 21/02/2023 04:20

What he’s going through is soul-crushing. I’m usually not a supporter of the men in these posts. But in this case-have patience with him.

leaving the military is such a huge change- nothing can really prepare a person for it. He’s had some interviews, that’s really good. A change this big takes a while. Assuring him you stand by him would go a long way, I think -

his self confidence is likely taking a severe beating.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:30

barmycatmum · 21/02/2023 04:20

What he’s going through is soul-crushing. I’m usually not a supporter of the men in these posts. But in this case-have patience with him.

leaving the military is such a huge change- nothing can really prepare a person for it. He’s had some interviews, that’s really good. A change this big takes a while. Assuring him you stand by him would go a long way, I think -

his self confidence is likely taking a severe beating.

Thank you, you're right.

I think this is a combination of it being a really difficult situation and his personality.

I was unemployed for a while ten years ago when my contract came to an end and wasn't renewed and I had to move back in with my parents in my late 20s and look for jobs. I felt like a failure and also a sense of impending terror that if I didn't find something soon the gap on my CV would be too big and my career would be fucked before it had even really got off the ground.

So I do sort of get it. And his situation is arguably worse because I knew exactly what I was qualified for and what to apply for and there are a lot more jobs in my field.

But I also know that I was spending most of the day, every day, scouring the internet for job opportunities, drafting the perfect CV and covering letter for each one and applying, talking to recruiters etc. I was doing stuff every single day. He isn't.

He applied for a job with a well known company last week, put a lot of effort into it, I helped him with his CV and covering letter, got one of my friends to look at it, he asked his brother for advice too. He put in a good application and then got a standard rejection about 12 hours later. He thinks it was filtered out by an algorithm because he didn't go to the right university and it wasn't actually read by a human (which is entirely possible).

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Cakeandcoffee93 · 21/02/2023 04:31

He sounds like he would be good in police related roles, or teaching-

Thisisthedawningoftheageofaquarius · 21/02/2023 04:34

Would he consider further education? Even a part time course to bridge the cv gap?

also I don’t think that being tired is an acceptable reason not to do a cv for ages; he might have a mental block.

in order for it not to be a constant source of anxiety for you and to stop it causing fights / resentment, I would consider having a weekly /bi weekly check in to only discuss interview/job/etc progress - at a time and day ye both agree on. That will stop you asking him at random times (because it will be on your mind all the time); and if he knows ye are going to talk Tuesday at 8pm he is likely to do something.

this is a tough time but you sounds strong - you will get thru this

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:35

Cakeandcoffee93 · 21/02/2023 04:31

He sounds like he would be good in police related roles, or teaching-

He isn't qualified to teach (and I think he would hate it anyway) but the police is a possibility. Not so great in terms of potentially being able to move to the UK later but I can't honestly see us doing that anyway.

We are in a country with a very rigid approach to qualifications, which makes it hard for anyone with a non standard CV.

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 04:40

Thisisthedawningoftheageofaquarius · 21/02/2023 04:34

Would he consider further education? Even a part time course to bridge the cv gap?

also I don’t think that being tired is an acceptable reason not to do a cv for ages; he might have a mental block.

in order for it not to be a constant source of anxiety for you and to stop it causing fights / resentment, I would consider having a weekly /bi weekly check in to only discuss interview/job/etc progress - at a time and day ye both agree on. That will stop you asking him at random times (because it will be on your mind all the time); and if he knows ye are going to talk Tuesday at 8pm he is likely to do something.

this is a tough time but you sounds strong - you will get thru this

I think we would both much prefer it if he got a job rather than going back to education. Even when I go back to work, my income won't totally cover our essential bills and so him not working will mean we have to deplete our savings each month.

I think you're right, he has a mental block. I am trying to encourage him to be much more proactive now, but more like daily check ins than weekly ones.

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USaYwHatNow · 21/02/2023 05:02

Do you mind me asking which country you're currently living in? My husband is going through resettlement from the UK military, and he receives approximately £6k to help towards funding educational courses, to brush up his CV etc. Is this something your husband is entitled to, to help with the qualifications/boosting his confidence a bit? We also have a 6 month old baby, and so I feel your concern and frustration! We're in a pretty similar boat, sending solidarity! It's so hard not to worry, especially re: mat leave money and budgeting.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:11

USaYwHatNow · 21/02/2023 05:02

Do you mind me asking which country you're currently living in? My husband is going through resettlement from the UK military, and he receives approximately £6k to help towards funding educational courses, to brush up his CV etc. Is this something your husband is entitled to, to help with the qualifications/boosting his confidence a bit? We also have a 6 month old baby, and so I feel your concern and frustration! We're in a pretty similar boat, sending solidarity! It's so hard not to worry, especially re: mat leave money and budgeting.

We are in France. His severance pay has been extremely generous, he basically continues to receive a salary for 8 months after leaving. But that runs out next month. I know we're in a privileged position not to have to worry too much about money just yet, but with no job on the horizon at the moment I can't help but feel anxious. And not working isn't good for his mental health.

What stage is your husband currently at?

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Randomactsofspanking · 21/02/2023 05:33

Why don’t you offer him to be the primary care giver and you go to work? If he doesn’t want to work, which is sounds like, it can’t hurt for him to be the one at home? I was a sahd for 2 months and loved it!
If he does a lot around the house,already, it’s probably the natural thing? If he can’t be arsed to find a job then he definately won’t.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/02/2023 05:35

Is it too late for him to re-enroll in the army?

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:40

Randomactsofspanking · 21/02/2023 05:33

Why don’t you offer him to be the primary care giver and you go to work? If he doesn’t want to work, which is sounds like, it can’t hurt for him to be the one at home? I was a sahd for 2 months and loved it!
If he does a lot around the house,already, it’s probably the natural thing? If he can’t be arsed to find a job then he definately won’t.

He does want to work, and we can't afford to live on one salary in the long term.

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:41

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/02/2023 05:35

Is it too late for him to re-enroll in the army?

I don't know. I'll ask. It wasn't the plan though.

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olympicsrock · 21/02/2023 05:45

I think you are being really hard on your husband ( although I understand why as it is so stressful) . It’s a major adjustment to leave the military. He has never done any else. He has been applying for jobs and had interviews and been rejected so probably feels awful.

You have had an exhausting time with a toddler abs baby. I think this is about support and understanding. Help boost his confidence and support him to overcome this mental block.

Randomactsofspanking · 21/02/2023 05:46

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:40

He does want to work, and we can't afford to live on one salary in the long term.

from Your OP it doesn’t sound like he wants to work? People who want to work are usually really motivated to get a job, he sounds pretty unmotivated?
to be honest I kind-of read your post like you want him to have a job but he wants to be a sahd. Which is ok if that s the situation but maybe you need to be honest with him?
plenty of people live in one salary but will have a modest life expectations. Does he expect to have expensive things/lifestyle without paying for it?

olympicsrock · 21/02/2023 05:46

If you ask if it’s too late to re enrol you are essentially telling him that you don’t believe he will get another job.

FatSealSmugSoup · 21/02/2023 05:49

IME there are 2 types of men who enjoy being in the military;

  1. those devoted to service who want to fix “everything”
  2. those who like someone else doing all the thinking and decision-making

sadly I suspect yours is type 2 and I sympathise as I also married that type… and divorced obviously. I mean sure, I had to take care of the divorce, but he did manage to find his own lawyer. I say he, his mum sorted it for him…

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:53

Randomactsofspanking · 21/02/2023 05:46

from Your OP it doesn’t sound like he wants to work? People who want to work are usually really motivated to get a job, he sounds pretty unmotivated?
to be honest I kind-of read your post like you want him to have a job but he wants to be a sahd. Which is ok if that s the situation but maybe you need to be honest with him?
plenty of people live in one salary but will have a modest life expectations. Does he expect to have expensive things/lifestyle without paying for it?

He does want to work. He was much happier when he was working. Being a SAHD would drive him nuts, and if he doesn't get a job eventually we will have to sell our home and downsize because I won't be able to afford to pay for it on my own, which he definitely doesn't want.

Please trust me when I say this isn't it.

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:54

olympicsrock · 21/02/2023 05:46

If you ask if it’s too late to re enrol you are essentially telling him that you don’t believe he will get another job.

Yes, there is that.

And even if it wasn't too late I think he would feel ashamed to show up again with the same colleagues after - realistically - a year of unemployment.

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