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Husband driving me insane, help!

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 03:53

NC as potentially outing. Sorry, this is long but I could really use some advice.

My husband is not from the UK and was in the army in his country for over 10 years. His contract came to an end last summer and he decided not to renew it but to look for a civilian job instead. This was partly because if he had renewed he would have had to sign up for another 10 years, by which point he would be too old to start a new career, and partly because I moved to his country to be with him because his career wasn't at all flexible, and so him doing something else in the long term was part of the deal in case I ever want to move back to the UK.

Anyway. It's been over 6 months and he has made almost no progress in finding a job. A year ago I wanted him to start taking steps to find something for September, even just update his CV, talk to recruiters etc. But our one year old was going through a big sleep regression, we were both working full time and exhausted, and he said he just didn't have the time or the energy and would look properly after he left the army. He gets severance pay from the army for 8 months so he said there was no rush.

In August he took care of our son full time while I worked. In September he got our son settled into nursery and was still basically looking after him most of the time. In October he had an unexpected job opportunity for something he hadn't really considered, had four interviews but ended up not closing the deal. I think his salary expectations were too high. But he wasted a month and didn't pursue anything else in the mean time.

During this time, I was pregnant, due in January. Once we got close to Christmas, it became obvious that he would just be at home when I had the baby, and would need to look for a job to start a few months after that.

In January I had the baby, and he had another couple of interviews for a job. This was one he would have loved, but it would have had a very long security clearance process, and in the mean time he wouldn't have been able to commit to anything else. I had misgivings about this but gave him my blessing because he clearly wanted to do it, and a job to start in 6 months is better than no job at all. In the end, that job didn't materialise either.

I'm starting to get frustrated. His severance pay runs out next month and he is just getting round to polishing his CV and writing covering letters. Even then, I'm having to kick him up the arse to get him to do it. I feel like he expected a job to fall into his lap and didn't know what was expected of him. At the same time, I also feel like I should have seen this coming and forced him to sort himself out three or four months ago, instead of letting him spend his time on (admittedly useful) distraction activities like food shopping and DIY. But I was pregnant and working full time and I didn't have the energy.

Now I'm on maternity leave and I want to enjoy my baby but I can't because my husband is hanging around all day not making enough progress, I'm worrying about our financial future if he doesn't find a job (we have plenty of savings so are OK in the short term, but it's really not ideal), and I'm starting to get resentful. He doesn't just laze around all day, he does plenty of housework and childcare and always has done. It's the current inability to find a job that is the issue.

He is also very grumpy at the moment and sometimes not very nice to me and our son. It makes me want to yell at him and tell him to get over himself, get a job, accept that toddlers throw food and babies keep you awake at night and we knew this when we decided to have another one, basically grow the fuck up.

But I can't do that because someone has to be the grown up. So here I am, 6 weeks postpartum, pacing around at 5am with the baby in the carrier, asking for advice on Mumsnet because I have to be the loving wife and the gentle parent and the sole breadwinner because no one else is doing those things right now so it has to be me.

Any advice?

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 05:55

FatSealSmugSoup · 21/02/2023 05:49

IME there are 2 types of men who enjoy being in the military;

  1. those devoted to service who want to fix “everything”
  2. those who like someone else doing all the thinking and decision-making

sadly I suspect yours is type 2 and I sympathise as I also married that type… and divorced obviously. I mean sure, I had to take care of the divorce, but he did manage to find his own lawyer. I say he, his mum sorted it for him…

I don't think I'd put him in either category to be honest. He's just a bit lost at the moment.

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FatSealSmugSoup · 21/02/2023 05:57

My ex is still “lost” nearly 20 years on from when I met him…

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 06:06

FatSealSmugSoup · 21/02/2023 05:57

My ex is still “lost” nearly 20 years on from when I met him…

I feel like I should have a bit more faith in him than that. He's a good man and has been a good partner for well over a decade. This is what "for better, for worse, richer and poorer" means, right?

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Flowersintheattic57 · 21/02/2023 06:53

Sounds like he could do with a coach. Someone who will talk him through his skills set and set him weekly goals but also be his cheerleader.
It’s hard to come out of what is basically an institution where all your colleagues and mates are, into civvy street on your own pretty much, and just know how to swim.

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:58

I would be very worried about leaving a child with an ex-army man who has a temper.
Seriously alarming.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 07:04

Flowersintheattic57 · 21/02/2023 06:53

Sounds like he could do with a coach. Someone who will talk him through his skills set and set him weekly goals but also be his cheerleader.
It’s hard to come out of what is basically an institution where all your colleagues and mates are, into civvy street on your own pretty much, and just know how to swim.

Yes, this is what he needs. No idea how to find one though or even if such a thing exists here!

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helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 07:05

Redebs · 21/02/2023 06:58

I would be very worried about leaving a child with an ex-army man who has a temper.
Seriously alarming.

This is way off. There are no issues in that regard.

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Radiatorvalves · 21/02/2023 07:14

I’m ex MIL as is DH. In the UK there is a lot of help with resettlement - not just grants for training but also connecting people to companies. The Big4 recruit a lot of ex military and Amazon has a huge programme for former military personnel. I imagine there must be similar in France, although much may depend on your location.

Bonne chance.

Timeandtune · 21/02/2023 07:14

In the UK there is a fair amount of employment support for service leavers and veterans. It’s called the Career Transition Partnership.

There are also peer led organisations like the Officers Association and umpteen military charities like SSAFA.

Does anything similar exist in France?

Is he a member of his regimental organisation? Good for networking and support.

JennyForeigner · 21/02/2023 07:19

Sounds like he has also got caught up in a time when being at home was useful. It's easily done - a relative similarly came out of the military, fixed up the house and lost confidence when his first choices didn't work out.

He needs to speak to other people who have left and work out what they did, and you both have to be prepared for a complete life change. In a rigid system it means starting again, although there are transferable skills to things like project management.

My relative and another friend separately set up their own businesses in procurement and property respectively, although both were engineers. Both have been very happy, although again it doesn't really give you skills to relocate one day. That may be the bit that has to fall off the wagon as a possibility for now.

USaYwHatNow · 21/02/2023 07:38

@helpmehelpmyhusband he handed his notice in last June, his last day in work is next week 😬 and he is on paid annual leave til beginning of June. If he cant find anything (even just to pay the bills, doesn't have the be 'the one' straight away) then the plan is for me to go back to work early, and for him to be a SAHD and do evening work. I'm lucky in a sense as I'll be going back to work on a promotion I secured just before I went on mat leave.

GyozaGuiting · 21/02/2023 07:40

I’m ex military too and I had SO much help when leaving. I ended up in my dream job using a company called Xforces. Ask about about his resettlement process and what money/work shops/courses are available.
Military personnel have tons of skills and are very valuable in the work force, we often don’t know what they are though having used them in a military way!

USaYwHatNow · 21/02/2023 07:41

As a side note, my husband has applied for tens of jobs, and had a handful of interviews. Two jobs he was deemed employable for, but they employed the person already incumbent, who had to apply for the job as internal policy. It's a tough market out there, sadly.

Bobshhh · 21/02/2023 07:45

I work in banking there are tonnes of ex army people I know in compliance and risk roles and learning development. Would that be an option?

Redebs · 21/02/2023 08:18

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 07:05

This is way off. There are no issues in that regard.

OK, that's good.
It was just something you said about him not being nice to you and a two year old.

GabriellaMontez · 21/02/2023 08:43

He is also very grumpy at the moment and sometimes not very nice to me and our son

you skipped over this at the end of a very long post. What do you mean? Can you give more details?

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 09:19

GabriellaMontez · 21/02/2023 08:43

He is also very grumpy at the moment and sometimes not very nice to me and our son

you skipped over this at the end of a very long post. What do you mean? Can you give more details?

Just short tempered and lacking in patience. Nothing more serious than that.

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OxfordshireGirl · 21/02/2023 09:30

When I had management coaching I was encouraged to think how the staff member I was struggling with would write the story

Hope you can sort it

newtb · 21/02/2023 09:36

Is he registered with pôle emploi ? He could ask to do a 'bilan de compétences' which could give ideas for future possibilities.
There are also training opportunities with places like AFPA, and you're paid while training. Lots of things from hgv driving, tourism, accountancy, pay/RH etc.

BMW6 · 21/02/2023 09:43

Prison officer? Police?

Lots of ex forces do these roles

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 21/02/2023 10:09

I take it he wasn't in a specialism that transfers well into civilian roles?

He needs to retrain in a new career and be realistic about entry level salaries. Or accept a relatively unskilled job.

MsMarch · 21/02/2023 10:37

I think a lot of people who are in the military find it hard becuase in the military, things are laid out. They are told where to go and what to do and what job to do. So they might well need initiative and proactivity but it's within a very clear framework. And it can be very unsettling to have that taken away.

I would suggest that he attempt to find work through the army. I don't believe that the French military don't have some kind of process to help ex service personnel find work in the private sector so he should search that out. Informally, he should also be using his military network - people he served with who have left the army who can point him in the right direction or even help him find work.

In addition, what did he do in the army? there are lots of roles that have equivalents in the private sector so he could be looking for that. For example, worked with a man who had worked in army logistics and who subsequently had a longstanding career in operations in the City.

Flowersintheattic57 · 21/02/2023 12:57

helpmehelpmyhusband · 21/02/2023 07:04

Yes, this is what he needs. No idea how to find one though or even if such a thing exists here!

Life coach. If there aren’t any in real life, there will be plenty on line.

helpmehelpmyhusband · 17/04/2023 14:00

Hi, just thought I would come back and update this thread.

My husband got a job offer last week and has another interview for a different job this afternoon. He also, prior to getting the job offer, arranged to spend a week or two job shadowing a friend of a friend of mine who works in cyber security, which is a different field to what he has been offered a job in. He is still planning to do that to see if he enjoys it and if he does he could look at trying to get into that in the medium term. But for now, in the short term, he will be working again.

Thank you all for your advice and words of wisdom on this thread. It was helpful.

For anyone reading this in a similar situation, this is what he did:

  • Attended free training courses on CV, covering letter and interview skills.
  • Networked with anyone and everyone, no connection too remote, and most of them were actually contacts of people I know, so ask all your friends and family.
  • Got really scientific about including all the key words on his CV for the role he was applying for, with the job title in the first line and the document title, and if there was any requirement which he couldn't fulfill, he wrote it in tiny font and coloured it white on his CV in the hope that it would get him through any automated sifting processes, and explained in the covering letter why he thought he was a good match for the job despite his atypical profile.
  • Made sure that his covering letters were really specific and clearly showed that he understood what he was applying for and what the company does.

Ultimately though, I think it was a numbers game. And the job he ended up getting was one where the job ad asked applicants to email their CV directly to the recruiter, so he knew there was probably no automated sifting process.

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