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Sturgeon resigning

90 replies

smileladiesplease · 15/02/2023 10:44

Thank the Lord about time.

Hoisted by her own insistence on supporting a minority and throwing women under the bus.

A good day for women everywhere but especially Scotland

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Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 21:45

@jgw1 you are aware that there's an array of options in between the two yes?

Sturgeon was as much of a disaster for Scotland as Boris was for the UK. Both things can be true at the same time. 🙄

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:49

Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 21:45

@jgw1 you are aware that there's an array of options in between the two yes?

Sturgeon was as much of a disaster for Scotland as Boris was for the UK. Both things can be true at the same time. 🙄

Boris was great for the UK, he got Brexit done, we have our soverignty back, we have control of our borders and he knows what a woman is. Beats me why Scotland aren't clamoring to have him as their new leader.

Chuffaluffa · 15/02/2023 21:51

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:42

Would you like to take Boris for a spin up in Scotland as First Minister. I hear he doesn't have much to do with his days except talking to Americans, so I am sure he could spare a few hours every so often to be First Minister. And he knows what a woman is.

Boris loves to party, Scots people love to party, everyone’s happy!

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:52

Chuffaluffa · 15/02/2023 21:51

Boris loves to party, Scots people love to party, everyone’s happy!

A very good point. Sturgeon didn't like parties, why was she serious all the time?

Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 21:55

Boris was great for the UK, he got Brexit done, we have our soverignty back, we have control of our borders and he knows what a woman is. Beats me why Scotland aren't clamoring to have him as their new leader.

Maybe if he was promising to get Scexit done they would. For some Indy comes above all else.

sst1234 · 15/02/2023 21:55

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:49

Boris was great for the UK, he got Brexit done, we have our soverignty back, we have control of our borders and he knows what a woman is. Beats me why Scotland aren't clamoring to have him as their new leader.

Look she’s gone. Get over it.

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:57

Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 21:55

Boris was great for the UK, he got Brexit done, we have our soverignty back, we have control of our borders and he knows what a woman is. Beats me why Scotland aren't clamoring to have him as their new leader.

Maybe if he was promising to get Scexit done they would. For some Indy comes above all else.

Boris would have got independence done for Scotland. He believes greatly in soverignty and being able to control ones one borders if he it further enriches him or gives him the opportunity to be Prime Minister.

And he knows what a woman is.

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:58

sst1234 · 15/02/2023 21:55

Look she’s gone. Get over it.

I haven't got over Boris not being Prime Minister yet, why the left wing establishment in the Tory party had to get rid of him I don't know. Hopefully he will start his comeback soon.

Chuffaluffa · 15/02/2023 22:03

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 21:58

I haven't got over Boris not being Prime Minister yet, why the left wing establishment in the Tory party had to get rid of him I don't know. Hopefully he will start his comeback soon.

Let’s be honest, that left wing economic establishment has got a lot to answer for of late, it’s putting a right spanner in the works of the Tory party’s equality and justice campaign.

Speaking of equality, Priti Patel’s scratching for work isn’t she? Maybe she’ll be looking for work over the border. Give her some irn bru and a deep fried mars bar and she might even smile more than Sadsack Sturgeon.

Fluffyowl00 · 15/02/2023 22:03

Ahhh. Well done PP on this thread! Thinking and saying what everyone (apart from the trans hating trolls) are thinking….and with humour.

Againstmachine · 15/02/2023 22:06

@jgw1
Quite clearly you are obsessed with Boris and detracting from the shit show of sturgeon. This thread is about her.

Both were useless I don't see the point of saying she was better it's like comparing a shit and a turd.

FenghuangHoyan · 15/02/2023 22:09

Good riddance to the gob shite

jgw1 · 15/02/2023 22:10

Againstmachine · 15/02/2023 22:06

@jgw1
Quite clearly you are obsessed with Boris and detracting from the shit show of sturgeon. This thread is about her.

Both were useless I don't see the point of saying she was better it's like comparing a shit and a turd.

I miss him greatly, he was such an excellent Prime Minister. He got Brexit done, steered us through the pandemic with great skill and mostly importantly knew what a woman was and how to treat them (badly).

Chuffaluffa · 15/02/2023 22:13

Againstmachine · 15/02/2023 22:06

@jgw1
Quite clearly you are obsessed with Boris and detracting from the shit show of sturgeon. This thread is about her.

Both were useless I don't see the point of saying she was better it's like comparing a shit and a turd.

Granted, Nicola knows what it’s like to be a woman, and Boris knows what it’s like to be in a lot of women, it’s practically the same thing.

But where your argument fails, is that I don’t think she’s good at Latin and pp is right, she can’t party like the BoJo parties.

Significant Difference.

I hear Truss has got a credit card with a tidy limit, maybe she can fly to Glasgae and spaff it up the wall showing the Sturgeon a good time.

ProfessorFusspot · 15/02/2023 22:22

[A] good day for the Tories and the right wing, and that is all ignores the reality and complexity of Scottish politics. It's a real country with a long history and many problems, not some bouncy-castle wonderland of haggis and EU flags and free prescriptions and government-issued "go away, homophobes!" fliers (although we do have those, too).

Nicola Sturgeon will be replaced as FM by another SNP MSP and will stay on as an MSP. The balance of power (and seats) at Holyrood remains the same. But just as Scotland is inconveniently real and complicated, so are Scots. And there are actual differences of opinion on particular subjects among people who overall hold the same goals and outlook.

So, many people across the Scottish political spectrum DO welcome NS stepping down, and that doesn't make them magically change ideology or political party even if some kids on the internet insist it does. Here are just a few real-life examples, unrelated to "gender":

Indy supporters who believe NS has sold out to gradualists and devolutionists and deprioritised independence. Many of these are far to the left of the current SNP leadership, including what's left of the various Scottish internationalist socialist and communist parties and co-op movements who pursued an independent Scottish republic back to the days of John Maclean and Red Clydebank. (Of course, some contributers here would probably claim that the Scottish Workers' Republican Party align with Donald Trump 😏)

UK Unionists, who want independence off the table and believe that NS's departure weakens the SNP. In addition to "Tories" and whatever UKIP is called now, this is the fixed position of Labour (who until 2016 WERE the SNP's official opposition at Holyrood) and the Lib Dems.

Politicians and activists across the political spectrum who want the SNP weakened for their own gain - even the Greens want a decreased SNP seat share to increase SGP influence in the coalition government. Conversely, many in the SNP want an absolute SNP majority to cut the Greens (perceived as wishy-washy on independence) out of government altogether - something that NS, despite inheriting a majority, never achieved but they believe another leader could.

NS said today that she can't lead the next independence campaign and therefore wants those who WILL lead it to take centre stage at the party conference next month. SHE believes it's what's best for the SNP and for Scotland. Why assume that her replacement will be LESS successful, rather than building on what's been done in the 25 years the SNP has been in government and achieving even more? If NS is so great, why not trust her judgement and learn from her mistakes? She herself said she was sorry she hadn't succeeded in balancing women's rights with GRR, letting everyone speak, and "taking the heat out of the debate". Of course (most) Scots hope her successor does better.

"Right wing" is too often used as a lazy, misogynistic dog-whistle in UK politics, and MN seems to be a magnet for boys who cry wolf (or right wing, or fascist, or whatever). Meanwhile the actual far right are getting stuff done while people who claim to oppose them are doing their dinger over women being allowed to talk about things that impact them. Get real.

MaggieMagpie1 · 15/02/2023 22:32

@ProfessorFusspot

Completely beside the point but I love the expression 'doing their dinger' and I haven't heard it in years so thanks for that! 😁

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 15/02/2023 22:32

Hdkatznahtw125sgh · 15/02/2023 11:32

As a lesbian woman who was unsafe in England, and as an nhs worker who was burnt out in England, Scotland under NS offered me a home and is my home away from home. The quality of life is far worse in England, OP you seem to prioritise one issue above all else. This is good day for Tories and for the right wing, and that is all. As a lesbian woman my rights are more at risk from the Tories than they ever were by NS.

You may as well talk to the wall on here I'm afraid, one issue is all they care about. These are the same people who say they'll vote Tory because "at least they know what a woman is". Meanwhile kids are currently starving and freezing to death in this country while the Tories are squandering our tax payer £££s on legal defence for Boris Johnson over partygate and misleading parliament. But hey, they're the good guys Hmm

smileladiesplease · 15/02/2023 22:38

You are just as unsafe as a woman, lesbian or not in Scotland as well as England.

However her resignation might make Scot's women less unsafe than they would have been if she ploughed on with the crazy trans women are women unless rapists In which case they are men crap. She outed herself as ridiculous

Stupid rabbit hole to have even been tempted. She just wanted the kids votes and to be different to England.

Pathetic.

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Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 22:41

Are some of these posters new? Have they not realised that no one on here is in any way phased or going to change their mind by being accused of being Tory, right wing, transphobes, bigots, TERFs etc etc.

Save your words, we've heard it all before. Yawn.

ssd · 15/02/2023 23:31

LindorDoubleChoc · 15/02/2023 19:48

Oh dear yes it was, sorry! So my comment applies to ssd who has for some reason revived this one rather than posting on one of the other threads created since. Or perhaps ssd has posted on them all and has a particular agenda? Who knows.

Do you always talk nonsense?

2013isback · 16/02/2023 01:05

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 15/02/2023 22:32

You may as well talk to the wall on here I'm afraid, one issue is all they care about. These are the same people who say they'll vote Tory because "at least they know what a woman is". Meanwhile kids are currently starving and freezing to death in this country while the Tories are squandering our tax payer £££s on legal defence for Boris Johnson over partygate and misleading parliament. But hey, they're the good guys Hmm

Nicola. Sturgeon. Is. Not. Going. To. Be. Replaced. By. A. Conservative. That. Is. Not. How. A. Parliamentary. System. Works.

And Labour is not electable in Scotland as they don't stand electable candidates even in swing seats and former Lab safe seats they could easily win. That's not something the MN posters you sneer at can fix; Labour have to fix it.

jgw1 · 16/02/2023 06:59

Rainbowshit · 15/02/2023 22:41

Are some of these posters new? Have they not realised that no one on here is in any way phased or going to change their mind by being accused of being Tory, right wing, transphobes, bigots, TERFs etc etc.

Save your words, we've heard it all before. Yawn.

Why is being Tory or any of the other things you list something that one needs to be accussed of @Rainbowshit presumably you are proud of your beliefts and would welcome others understanding them?

jgw1 · 16/02/2023 07:00

2013isback · 16/02/2023 01:05

Nicola. Sturgeon. Is. Not. Going. To. Be. Replaced. By. A. Conservative. That. Is. Not. How. A. Parliamentary. System. Works.

And Labour is not electable in Scotland as they don't stand electable candidates even in swing seats and former Lab safe seats they could easily win. That's not something the MN posters you sneer at can fix; Labour have to fix it.

In terms of a General Election the most likely beneficiaries of not having to run against a Nicola Sturgeon led SNP are the Labour party as the SNP are also a left wing party and whoever replaces Sturgeon as SNP leader may well be a less effective campaigner than she is.

Rainbowshit · 16/02/2023 07:45

Why is being Tory or any of the other things you list something that one needs to be accussed of @Rainbowshit presumably you are proud of your beliefts and would welcome others understanding them?

I am. You can check my posting history although I have name changed a few times since indyref. Coming up for a decade of being called a Tory and still going. 😉 I don't hold back. It's only people like you that think we're going to shut up on such accusation. Not happening pall.

DownNative · 16/02/2023 08:24

Good news, isn't it?!

Sturgeon resigning