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watchfulwishes · 08/02/2023 18:51

VariationsonaTheme · 08/02/2023 18:37

F for th isn’t regional, it’s just lazy speech.

It is a regional accent, you are ignorant.

ChildminderMum · 08/02/2023 18:51

So you live in south east London and you are upset that the teachers at your child's school sound like they are from south east London

Stopeatingsliders · 08/02/2023 18:51

I’m a Ruth too. I get called Root by northern European family, Roof by my friends from east London and Essex. They’d also say troof and sleuf

Furrydogmum · 08/02/2023 18:52

A member of SLT at my school finks and fort.. Makes me itch!!

thistimelastweek · 08/02/2023 18:53

Everyone knows there are forty fousand fevvers on a frush

My London born husband taught me so.

Aurorabored · 08/02/2023 18:54

Furrydogmum · 08/02/2023 18:52

A member of SLT at my school finks and fort.. Makes me itch!!

As long as she finks in the present and fort in the past it wouldn’t bother me.

VaccineSticker · 08/02/2023 18:55

There’s a difference between accents and mispronunciation of sounds.
what you described her is Mispronunciation of constants which is bad form coming from a teacher, accents tend to involve vowel sounds-
Teacher needs a lesson a phonics and learning her alphabets 😆

Talipesmum · 08/02/2023 18:55

MaverickGooseGoose · 08/02/2023 18:39

Dialect fine, when the construct doesn't even makes sense, not fine.

You can have free of those for free? So three free things?

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If I heard someone say, in a s London accent, “You can have free of those for free”, I’d assume that they were saying “You can have three of those for free”. Are you saying there’s something else I might have heard? It’s not confusing. I’m not going to suddenly look up to the roof if someone says “there’s Ruth” (pronounced roof). English is full of synonyms in a wide variety of accents - look at all the “how do you pronounce pour/pore/poor” threads. I don’t buy that you’re genuinely confused.

FatGirlSwim · 08/02/2023 18:59

It’s accent. Just as ‘I were’ is in parts of the North West.

FatGirlSwim · 08/02/2023 18:59

Regional dialect rather than accent, I suppose.

SnowAndFrostOutside · 08/02/2023 19:00

You sound like a snob to me too sorry. People are allowed to have accents. They are allowed to use we was in speech. Similar to should of. As long as they write we were and should have.

SnowAndFrostOutside · 08/02/2023 19:01

What I mean is that they can tell between informal and formal written English.

Covidwoes · 08/02/2023 19:02

I'm a teacher, and 'we was' and 'I done' are unacceptable. Lots of people say that where I live, and my 4 year old has now started saying 'you was', as so many of her friends do! I correct her every time, haha. A regional dialect is one thing, but 'we was', 'you was', and 'I done' are incorrect.

Redlocks30 · 08/02/2023 19:04

but her mum was coming to get her where was she going?

‘You was’ and ‘we was’ would be incorrect, but are your examples not right?

tornadoinsideoutfig · 08/02/2023 19:07

If three is pronounced free then how is free pronounced? If Ruth is pronounced roof then how is roof pronounced?

Puffalicious · 08/02/2023 19:09

It's the age old issue of whether teachers should speak in their regional dialect or Standard English. I think (teacher in Glasgow of some 28 years) that we should celebrate our wonderful dialects, but always, always teach pupils that we need to be able to speak both in this life. There are many occasions we need to speak in Standard English so should be able to do so. School.is the place this needs to be taught (not all subjects, but definitely in primary school and in English lessons). Standard English is spoken in many accents: accent is different to the actual words.

We should always teach and expect written work in Standard English. There are times pupils can write in Scots (creatively, for example) and it should be the same for other dialects too, but in the main schools are a place where you write in Standard English. Therefore, the teachers in the OP writing in dialect are indeed wrong.

ocdisrubbish · 08/02/2023 19:13

Free/three are just accent variations and ‘we was’ is just a dialectal variation. I don’t see why your accent of pronouncing certain consonants is superior. For the latter example though, I do think teachers should be teaching children standard English grammar at least for the purpose of standardised exams and preparing them for job interviews etc which are often biased around certain accents/dialects and the class they are often associated with.

Anewuser · 08/02/2023 19:22

But what about words that I say correctly, due to spelling but ‘posh’ people say differently? Bath pronounced Barth, castle/carstle, glass/glarse etc.

Girlswithgoodbodieslikeboyswithferarris · 08/02/2023 19:24

Puffalicious · 08/02/2023 19:09

It's the age old issue of whether teachers should speak in their regional dialect or Standard English. I think (teacher in Glasgow of some 28 years) that we should celebrate our wonderful dialects, but always, always teach pupils that we need to be able to speak both in this life. There are many occasions we need to speak in Standard English so should be able to do so. School.is the place this needs to be taught (not all subjects, but definitely in primary school and in English lessons). Standard English is spoken in many accents: accent is different to the actual words.

We should always teach and expect written work in Standard English. There are times pupils can write in Scots (creatively, for example) and it should be the same for other dialects too, but in the main schools are a place where you write in Standard English. Therefore, the teachers in the OP writing in dialect are indeed wrong.

Except Scots isn’t a dialect, it’s a language. And sometimes, only a Scot’s word will do - eejit being a prime example - nothing comes close 😂

The rest I agree with though.

EllieM27 · 08/02/2023 19:25

“We was” and “you was” sound awful and teachers really should not be modeling that in front of students.

The one about the pronunciation of “italic” varies by country. In Australia it’s “eye-talic.” In the US and Canada it seems somewhere between that and the UK pronunciation.

Girlswithgoodbodieslikeboyswithferarris · 08/02/2023 19:27

ocdisrubbish · 08/02/2023 19:13

Free/three are just accent variations and ‘we was’ is just a dialectal variation. I don’t see why your accent of pronouncing certain consonants is superior. For the latter example though, I do think teachers should be teaching children standard English grammar at least for the purpose of standardised exams and preparing them for job interviews etc which are often biased around certain accents/dialects and the class they are often associated with.

I disagree about free/three being an accent variation. My daughter is on the waiting list for speech therapy for this issue, it’s an immaturity of speech that most people grow out of.

freezingpompoms · 08/02/2023 19:29

Talipesmum · 08/02/2023 18:33

I think teachers are allowed to have accents…

It's not the accent it's the mispronunciation of words. Very poor modelling to children.

In younger children this would hinder their ability to spell correctly.

I think it's dreadful OP. I'm a teacher with an accent but I pronounce all the letters phonetically.

Darkdiamond · 08/02/2023 19:29

I'm a teacher and have a strong regional accent. Where I am from, there are many grammatically incorrect expressions which I do not use unless I'm in a very casual setting, with others from my region.

I am also able to enunciate the correct letter sounds in my own accent, and don't reinvent how certain letters are pronounced. My son has started saying ' I done' and I correct him every time. It is possible to retain your regional identity, your accent, even use the expressions from your area and still pronounce the words properly without replacing certain letters with others (f for th).

There is absolutely nothing snobby about expecting teachers to have a good standard of spoken and written English. It doesn't have to be perfect (mine isn't) but the errors shouldn't be so glaring that it sticks out when you hear it.

MotherOfPuffling · 08/02/2023 19:30

Puffalicious · 08/02/2023 19:09

It's the age old issue of whether teachers should speak in their regional dialect or Standard English. I think (teacher in Glasgow of some 28 years) that we should celebrate our wonderful dialects, but always, always teach pupils that we need to be able to speak both in this life. There are many occasions we need to speak in Standard English so should be able to do so. School.is the place this needs to be taught (not all subjects, but definitely in primary school and in English lessons). Standard English is spoken in many accents: accent is different to the actual words.

We should always teach and expect written work in Standard English. There are times pupils can write in Scots (creatively, for example) and it should be the same for other dialects too, but in the main schools are a place where you write in Standard English. Therefore, the teachers in the OP writing in dialect are indeed wrong.

Exactly! I can speak in standard English as well in West Country (!), but in professional writing and comms always use the former. People being unable to write in business English, and therefore producing material that at best is unprofessional, and at worst just makes little sense, is a real issue. It is where I am anyway (legal/compliance team to a multinational group, so need people for whom English is a second or third language to be able to understand very precisely what is being communicated)

BadNomad · 08/02/2023 19:30

But can you understand it?

I'm in Ireland so I get "three", "free" and "tree" for "3". My brain stutters for a second then I get on with my life. It really isn't a big deal. It's still English. It's still understandable.