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Is it too expensive?

257 replies

miniandmestudios · 04/02/2023 19:40

Not sure if it is entirely the right thread but I’ve started making hats by hand to try make some money - I’m a stay at home mum of 2, can’t afford childcare to go to work but can’t afford to not work. So I’m a bit stuck (DP works) and there is no one else I have to watch the kids.

My friend told me she would never pay £15 for a hat but it costs me £5 in materials and 3 hours roughly to make so it’s £3.33 ish an hour. I really don’t want less than that as working for £2 an hour is stupidly low.

I’ve attatched images of the hats so if I could get everyone’s opinions I’ll lower the price or keep as they are!

YANBU - the prices are okay
YABU - the prices are too expensive

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bridgetreilly · 05/02/2023 22:12

Faux fur pompoms!

Ukrainebaby23 · 05/02/2023 22:38

They are lovely, but lack of individuality has been mentioned. My problem with hats is, I lose them, put them down in a cafe or drop out of my lap when I stand up. A cheap hat is not such a problem, £15 hat is a no for me

Totally understand your predicament, but I don't think knitting hats is the answer.

I have a similar childcare cost v income issue, I've considered trying to share childcare with someone, though I've no idea how I'd find the person, but I'd look after their LO for 2 days and they'd look after mine for 2 days, though I could forsee many problems, financially it would seem to make sense.

Best of luck with your projects in any case. Try skintdad for other money making ideas.

Sleepyheadalways · 05/02/2023 22:52

Children’s one with initials could be a seller :)

JT12 · 05/02/2023 23:22

I think you need to find a local gift shop to stock them. The problem is that then they will take a percentage. You may then need to charge £20 to break even. If you are selling them at that price you should include a nice label, saying knitted with love, hand made, organic wool, small business etc……
you will get sales if it is seen as a one off gift item but the packaging has to match the price

taperjogger · 05/02/2023 23:33

I like the colours you've shown and I like the natural materials. I like that it doesn't look to "homespun" and quite a popular style with a simple shape. As long as there were decent care instructions on how to launder and keep the wool in shape, no crazy p&p charges, it's definitely something I would consider. Maybe try craft fairs to test the waters? Good luck with planning

Stardu · 05/02/2023 23:50

Knitting is a fun hobby but it’s not a good way to make money because you can’t compete with clothes made by machine in 3rd world countries.

For money could you maybe get an online job? Transcription work, proofreading, something like that? Have a search on Indeed.com for remote jobs

JubileeQueen123 · 05/02/2023 23:57

How about making something else? Baby clothes? Baby blankets. I’d pay at least £20 for an handknitted blanket. Items that can stand a good profit margin. Things that people might buy as luxury gifts.

T1Dmama · 06/02/2023 00:03

Sadly, as beautiful as they are, people just don’t appreciate the time taken to make items.
I’d say to list them on some sites specifically for hand made items and see if you can sell for £15 before making anymore. Or even make to order and take £5 deposit to cover costs.

BarbaraofSeville · 06/02/2023 07:02

Just because something takes longer to make,that doesn't make it worth more money than another hat that does the same job.

It doesn't do a better job of keeping a babies head at an appropriate temperature.
It doesn't look any different.
It's not going to be any easier to wash, in fact more likely to need a separate hand wash, rather than go in a standard wash with everything else.
It probably won't last any longer. I have supermarket hats that are decades old and have been worn hundreds of times.
It isn't any less likely to be lost or grown out of.

In a time when many people don't have a lot of spare money few can afford the luxury of paying far more than they need to like this. It's nothing at all with 'not appreciating the time to make by hand'. It's practicality and financial necessity.

If someone posted they had no money but were spending hundreds of pounds a year on bespoke hand knitted baby clothes,they'd be told to buy second hand bundles off FB market place like everyone else, not continue to spend so much 'to appreciate the time it takes to make by hand'.

kelcys2175 · 06/02/2023 07:18

Use the ones you have already made, put them on Etsy/Ebay etc and see if they sell. If so, do a few more and offer 'pick your own colours' if they don't then it's too much. Good luck though, anyone that puts thought and effort in is already a winner in my book

Specific · 06/02/2023 09:13

Please link us to your ebay/depop/etsy online shop. I would be more than happy to pay that for a handmade hat! For a handmade hat in natural materials that price is actually undervalued! I am exceptionally concerned about the materials used for my clothes and where they're made. There are people that care and would love to buy these hats, myself included, just need to advertise yourself accordingly. Even instagram. Dont let the MN get you down. 15£ would be reasonable for a handmade in UK acrylic hat. It's a steal at 15£ for wool x

Nocutenamesleft · 06/02/2023 10:11

My mum is a phenomenal knitter!! She can make hats in about 90 mins but even she wouldn't try. There's not a huge market for it. She makes these headband things that she gives away really cos she likes to knit. Sometimes people pay her £15 for them. But rarely.

She's got a friend who made my daughter a whole farm yard!!!! Like pigs ducks geese. Horses. Cows. Was absolutely amazing.

She made me the most beautiful hand knitted rainbow blanket for my bed but wool is a premium now really.

Nocutenamesleft · 06/02/2023 10:14

RedRedCampion · 04/02/2023 20:35

Alpaca merino wool blend! That changes everything. I was going to say use cashmere, and bump the price up high. Like the previous posters suggesting higher prices and specialist wool - I think there's no point in chasing the primark market which can do it so much cheaper using slave labour and cheapest fabrics.

What about babies' cardigans? If you look at the traditional ones on Brora, they're £159. Provided you market them clearly as 100 per cent pure cashmere, I think they would sell. Last time I looked for a baby gift there wasn't a single knitter on eBay selling handmade cardigans in lovely wools, only lemon and turquoise acrylics Grin

No way.

When my baby was tiny (I had two very tiny premature babies under 2lbs). There were these ladies who would knit things for us (we spent months in NICU) I got some outstanding beautiful things. Gosh I wish they knew.

Inwiththenew · 06/02/2023 10:29

I’d only buy a handmade hat if it was made from natural wool. These are not very cool looking either. But I don’t think £15 is too expensive. I’d say be more choosy about your colours they look a bit like the sort of thing they’d put on your granny in the nursing home.

Unikeko · 06/02/2023 11:12

JubileeQueen123 · 05/02/2023 23:57

How about making something else? Baby clothes? Baby blankets. I’d pay at least £20 for an handknitted blanket. Items that can stand a good profit margin. Things that people might buy as luxury gifts.

The problem is at £20 for a baby blanket you'd be lucky to cover the cost of supplies. You wouldn't be touching the cost for the time it takes at that price point. Even a continental knitter is likely to take a few hours to make a simple baby blanket.

I think pervious posters suggestions are good. Someone is more likely to make more money with home furnishings, shortening curtains and the like. Once you have the technique down it's mostly straight seams and won't take the time that a minutes item would.

MadMadaMim · 06/02/2023 11:15

I'd pay £15. If ire the comparisons to cheep man-made stuff and people saying peopledinr care what it's made of. For children I only bought natural - from nappies, to mattresses to clothes and toiletries and everything else in between.

People do care and love iple will pay. I was so frustrated trying to find natural fibre cardigans and all in ones and blankets and hats and jumpers that I asked my mum to knit them all. From the moment they left hospital. Her latest was a jumper last year for my daughter - she's 18.

My mum also tried to do this as a business as people constantly dropped dme to ask where I'd bought things but when you factor in the wool alone, people wouldn't pay this prices, sadly.

They're lovely. If you have a website/FB page etc where we can purjcase, please share.

watsthecraic · 06/02/2023 11:15

It's not a hand knit item in the traditional sense.

It's not been done with two needles and a person's hands.

It's loom knit. That means it's been done on a round circle and there are machines on Amazon for 60/70 quid that would do an adult hat (kids size is about £50) and all you have to do is crank a handle.

That's why the op isn't going to get a premium price for them.

This is an adult size machine https://www.amazon.co.uk/Knitting-Machine-Spinning-Circular-Rotating/dp/B0BPC6XQTP/ref=mpssa114?adgrpid=120485611569&gclid=Cj0KCQiA54KfBhCKARIsAJzSrdqypHzHkChBRS4h4PKtuz8j8Q005DrV8IVE7qZGUE0OBtnVJ-5MhEaArU8EALwwwcB&hvadid=498368650467&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9045175&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=16951119011805189727&hvtargid=kwd-303787894975&hydadcr=168811798498&keywords=loom+knitting+machine&qid=1675682096&sr=8-4

SecretVictoria · 06/02/2023 11:29

I remember when my DN was a baby (she’s 11 now) I bought her a hat from Beauty & The Bib. It was designed like a Christmas pudding, they also had ones designed like strawberries. I’d pay £15 for those as they were cute and fun.

I wouldn’t pay for alpaca/merino as I find it very itchy.

Buttonjugs · 06/02/2023 12:19

They look like the ones made on an Addi machine, I have one and it takes one hour to make a double sided beanie. People are selling them on Etsy though at various prices. Try to use some different colour combinations to make them stand out.

GlomOfNit · 06/02/2023 12:43

OP, you have my sympathies. So many women are stuck in this position of needing to be their children's main carer and unable to pay for childcare because they don't have paid work, or their job doesn't pay enoughto cover the costs of childcare.

Please believe me, knitting (lovely) hats and charging yourself an absolute pittance is not the way out of this bind. Sad No, I don't think £15 is unreasonable for a hand knitted hat actually, not if you factor in your time. BUT as others have pointed out here, your perfectly nice hats aren't different enough to justify charging more than fecking Primark.

And incidentally, all you thoughtless people who are parroting '£15, bloody hell I would pay a fiver in Primark', Primark and other bargain basement retailers are helping us along the road to utter environmental hell with their disposable one-season fashion and clothes literally cheap enough to bin after a few wears - in the privileged Western world anyway). Angry You can also bet that Primark and their suppliers don't pay the makers of their crappy cheap clothing anywhere approaching £3 an hour.

That rant about disposable fashion aside, OP, can I give you a few tips? I have a craft-hobby that I take to small local events and a local market. It really doesn't make me much, it does make me fairly happy and I have a high needs son with autism so 9-5 jobs fitting in around his erratic needs and challenges are tricky for me. Smile

A. I would say, find a decent outlet for this. Don't put it on facebook marketplace, there's loads of twee shite on there and I don't think people search it for handmade anyway. See if there's a local market that makers go to. There may well be one and stall fees are often low. See if there's a pop-up Etsy shop local to you (do a google) where you'd have to pay a commission/proportion of your asking price, but work out if it still works for you. Beware 'craft shops' where rents are often very high for the shop owners and they consequently have to charge a very high percentage of commission to their crafters - I once had jewellery in a lovely local shop that hosted a lot of fairly high-end craft and art - she charged us 45% commission which meant I had to jack up my prices so much that not a lot sold! If there are any local school fairs coming up, ask what their stall fees are (£15 used to be the going rate but it's shooting up unreasonably - you may be lucky). Remember, your outlet/venue needs to be somewhere people are actively going to in order to browse and buy handmade goods. There's no point in sticking handmade stuff on your personal social media page or FB marketplace.

B. Make your product more unique. If Primark sells similar acrylic or polyester (machine) knitted hats for less than a fiver, then yours HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT. And that's now very hard. The factories have cottoned onto the look of 'art' yarns so you would need to find something to knit with that looks very different and yet is still on trend or looks nice. Consider using natural fibres - you'll be able to big that up and Primark doesn't use actual wool in their crappy hats! Maybe learn to cable and add a cable detail? People seem to love pom poms on their hats (I can't fathom that myself, I think it makes grown women look like three year olds, but...). Self-striping/patterning yarns look more arty and cleverer than they are. Cute coloured ones for kids would possibly sell too.

B.II: please remember that it's your time, ultimately, that is your main cost. I knit socks (strictly for close family and the odd person I really love, as I'm a slow knitter and they can take ages). I would never, ever bother using a cheap synthetic sock yarn costing £5 because I know that a pair will take me at least a month (I knit while watching tv of an evening and have other distractions, hence the time!). Why do I want to spend so many hours of my time working with cheap substandard material? Why not spend more and buy a decent quality, high wool sock yarn (you do NOT want to know how much it's possible to spend on sock yarn... or maybe you already do)? Then after the investment in time, you have a decent product. Hats - you will hopefully cut the production time for them but all the same, think about the finished product. Buyers will STILL look at it and think - 100% acrylic hat, can buy it in Primark for 1/3 of the price and will NOT CARE that it took you two or three hours. If the same hat is made in nice sheeps wool, then it starts to look like a bargain and there are reasonably priced wool yarns out there.

C. Promote your product as handmade and (my advice) made with higher end yarn. If you have a stall, you're able to talk to people who are browsing and explain how long it takes, how long you've been knitting, what good quality materials they are (this really does matter). If you're online, you have the chance to explain why your item is nicer than a Primark hat in text. Use that chance.

D. Spread the word. Tell friends you have this cottage industry and ask them to tell their friends. Don't go mad making business cards but do think about presentation - I make tags for some of my things with brown kraft card and brown twine or baker's twine. Add a cheap stamp for decorative appeal/eye-catching (you can often find used scrapbooking stamps and pads in charity shops).

E. You'll need to have the odd weekend day free if you do events, markets etc. So make sure that can happen in terms of childcare.

F. Don't expect this to happen overnight. If people like your stuff, they WILL buy it and they'll come back (so make sure you have enough of a range of different ones, because a person will only buy the same hat once!). But it takes time to build up contacts, customers and get those spots at markets. And you're up against a lot of competition re. knitting or crochet. Sad I bet there's a WI market locally. Pop in and see what they charge for hats, or a baby's matinee jacket. It's almost always a pittance, barely covering the costs of the yarn. I sometimes gently explain that this is really not helping other home-based makers out there who are trying to teach their market that handmade has an intrinsic value, but WI knitters don't care - they're doing it for different reasons to you.

All that being said, OP, I personally wouldn't try and knit for money (I'm too slow for a start!). People are lacking in imagination, as well as ready funds, and it's very hard to get the average Joe or Jane to appreciate the time, skills and materials that go into handmade items.

Smcai · 06/02/2023 13:09

Hi, I sell hats on Etsy but price them around 40 quid, this includes shipping costs. There are people out there who value handmade small business who are willing to pay a premium. I make sure my prices cover materials, shipping and minimum wage for the time spent making the hat. I would say, however, that unless you want to be knitting 24/7, it's never going to be a very profitable business.

If you can hand knit, my biggest suggestion to you, would be to work on designing your own knitting patterns and then sell the instructions for those patterns to other knitters on Etsy and Ravelry. This way, you just do the design work once, upload a digital file, then that's it, you have passive income each time the pattern sells. It takes some time to get established but having multiple unique patterns available and building a social media following will help a lot. There's lots of blogs online that show you what's involved with pattern designing.
I earn about 500 pound/month in the colder months from selling my designs, less in the summer. It did take time and effort to get to this point but now I have some popular designs available, I really don't spend much time working on it at all, only when I work on a new design do I need to put any time into it.
I hope this suggestion is helpful and good luck with your small business!

GlomOfNit · 06/02/2023 13:26

Apols to OP, I finally found your two follow-up posts and see you're using natural fibres. Flowers

Well Primark don't! But it's all in the promotion. If you can afford to hang on another year when hopefully your children sleep through the night, you might be able to get a weekend job or evening job that - as, sadly, many have pointed out here - would net you far more than selling a few knitted hats. Sad It's so hard, OP, you really have my sympathies.

GlomOfNit · 06/02/2023 13:28

The other thing I was going to suggest, actually, was that if you feel confident of your own skills, you could look into running workshops. Basic 'how to knit' skills. You'd need to make sure you DID know all the wrinkles and ins and outs though! I'm a knitter and I wouldn't be confident of teaching one or two techniques because they're the ones I tend to fudge when I'm knitting myself! But certainly there can be more money in teaching crafts than in selling them.

reesewithoutaspoon · 06/02/2023 15:09

Theres nothing really to teach though. They aren't hand knitted. They are made on a loom so technically machine knitted.

watsthecraic · 06/02/2023 16:37

Exactly - the op may not have a crank loom (I don't know what the proper name is) but they can be made on a crank loom where the only skill is to turn a handle.

So they're not something that can have added value for being hand made.