To think the uk is on its knees

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Just this. Every day negativity. No one is happy with life or working conditions. The country is at an all time low. Living standards getting worse by the day people getting poorer. I know we are not in poverty like some countries but honestly can’t see us ever returning to decent living standards unless you’re the few top percent earners. Tell me I’m being dramatic perhaps I am but can’t see much of a way back from this .

Oh right I thought it might be. I don’t want men in sports or whatever else you listed so seemed a fair position to take.

I agree Labour are in a difficult position due to gender lies that have taken hold. There are many MPs who believe in it strongly so another clear out as they did with the antisemitism won’t be easy. Or maybe even possible.

Crikey there are a couple I try to avoid, but even on blunt request they seem a bit fixated.

Well put, @MaryMcCarthy . There are many issues of vital importance before us right now. Arguing about the definition of a woman is not of my top priorities. If we get derailed by that the country will lose

I don’t want men in sports or whatever else you listed so seemed a fair position to take.

I don't want men in women's sports either. That doesn't mean I'm going to mischaracterise Labour's position and it certainly doesn't mean I'm going to vote for the bloody Tories.

It’s nowhere near the top of most people’s priority list, despite the Tories’ best efforts to put it there.

I don’t believe it was anti semitism that lost Labour the last election either. It was because Corbyn was perceived as a nutter who couldn’t be trusted to run a toy railway, that was certainly why I spoilt my paper.

It’s not mischaracterising as it’s their position, which whilst waffly, confused and hopeless - but that’s because it’s hard to make direct statements when following gender ideology - is their own to clear up.

They are stuck on this as too many MPs have signed up to it.

On who you vote for well of course we all get to decide. Some women will and won’t - that’s the beauty of democracy we all get a vote to use as we wish.

I totally agree that this is not a big issue for most people. The big issue is the NHS, care system and cost of living.

The quality of our politicians makes me despair. Liz Truss is supposed to be making a comeback.
Every time I get Imposter Syndrome I look at Liz Truss and think I've got nothing to worry about.
Then we've got Johnson swanning about the planet like he's still Prime Minister, presumably paid for by us.
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Where are the grown-ups?

It’s a big issue for anyone who believes you can’t address maternity provision without being able to define who is a mother. You can’t tackle the issue that benefits sanctions disproportionately affect women if you can no longer define what a woman is. You can’t have a functioning prison service if male sex offenders can be locked up in the female prison estate. You can’t have an accessible health service if female patients can be raped on a “women-only” ward and then gaslit that the male who used his penis to commit that rape is really a woman. You can’t provide care that respects clients’ privacy and dignity if they aren’t allowed to request a carer of a particular biological sex to attend to their intimate care needs. You can’t address the sex pay gap if a couple of senior male executives can identify as a woman and skew the figures.

I could never vote Tory with their ideology that poverty is a moral failing, but neither can I vote for any party that would deny the reality of what a woman is. I’m politically homeless.

What have the Tories done for women? & who stirred the pot on the whole TWAW agenda in 2018 with proposed reforms of the GRA?

Who has closed down DV refuges, got rid of single sex wards, made sure the NHS is so under staffed no woman can demand a female Dr? who has allowed numerous Maternity scandals to go on and on and on?

How many Female tory MPs are there?

2019 election:

Conservative 365(total) 87 (female)
Labour 202(total) 104 (female)

So 50% of Lab MPs are female, compared to 25% Conservative & no don't throw the Cons female PM tosh, because Truss and May were disasters, i actually quite liked Thatcher for some things, but she'd have thrown out during Boris's purge of Remainers.

@Crikeyalmighty - I think there were many who had a perception that was similar.

The truth about Brexit is that the actual question has not been solved. Trade is a proximate thing. We are as nation very far away from a colonial world where the UK had preferential imports for itself. I despaired about Brexit because partly it was a lie and the calibre of politician was suspect, but it also it did not actually address whether the UK is better off being out.

We know now it is not. Maybe in a decade to come things look different. But not right now.

The other truth is regulatory alignment with the EU. That would change exports and business. But instead we had the hardest of Brexits. We will still probably have to align in practice. So this regulatory freedom we claim to have is a fiction.

The EU UK deal was a deal that made new barriers to trade. Makes it harder to make money for goods and exports.

Britain is an innovative country but this must be only instance where it said, we don't care about making money. The Conservatives have lost their minds to do this to a country that had the best deal in the EU.

@poetryandwine

What????

I was refering to a poster quoted @shropshire11 who said that no one can magic up a £100k salary for nurses, your name wasn't even in the quoted post.

See below:
With any luck the next government will have a better handle on things and sort out some structural problems. But it won’t come from some magical thinking that we can pay nurses £100k. It’s going to involve hard choices, just like it did in the 1940s and late 1970s to turn the country around

I ve re read the complete post and a - your name isn't in the post and b - there is zero mention of any medical claim or what nurses earn in the USA....

So no idea why you are getting pissed off at me.

Okay, @GPTec1 . I had posted about what I described concerning American nurses’ salaries. You didn’t name anyone. Perhaps @shropshire11 got her figure from my post. Wish she had cited me so I could have responded to her rather than you. Apologies.

I did not say we should pay UK nurses £100K. It is all about context. I agree a starting salary of £30K or a bit more is about right

@BenCoopersSupportWren yes me too, although to be honest I think we do have to look at the greater good. Trans issues have gone rough shod over women’s needs, but even I might vote tactically in order to help education, NHS and the more disadvantaged.

Lots of people feel this way but it's still not a reason to vote Labour. You should be voting for a party for a real reason rather than because you dislike the current government. I know people who are planning to tactically vote labour simply because they hate the Tories but the worst thing you can do is vote out of spite. You are better off voting a third party than Labour if you don't want the Tories in government.

Aren't we still paying the EU as there was a massive divorce bill?

One area in the UK that needs overhaul is the NHS - totally agree with that. A&E and the ambulance service seem to be hardest hit.

We've had French and Irish, plus others who have not disclosed their European country say they get excellent service and instant doctors appointment but would your average Brit be willing to pay a fee each time they see the doctor?

With my doctor I can get a same day emergency appointment if I ring up in the morning. Other than that it's about a week. If we had say an Irish system, we ring up get an instant appointment but pay approx £30 - not sure how I feel about it. Typical Brit I suppose and used to the NHS!!

I've always had excellent care with the NHS so don't want to slate it and my elderly dad is going through treatment at the moment and they are looking after him, so honestly dont want to bash the NHS.

But all this excellent service that folk in other countries receive makes you wonder if 'pay-per-treatment' will be the future.

So you want people to vote for a minority party so the Tories stay in government?

You should vote for a party because you like them not to spite another party. This is not a mature enough reason and is not what democracy is for.

Also if labour have enough support they should be able to for a government regardless. If the conservatives still win they are clearly still favoured by the majority.

Spite? Are you 12 years old?
Tactical voting has been a thing for decades.

I will vote against the Tories to get a better country. I want a functioning NHS, properly functioning schools, a government that understands how to improve the economy.

If labour can only win via tactical voting it means they should not really be in government and probably should have lost. I understand your points re the NHS and schools etc but it has nothing to do making sure that our government is representative of the country.

Sadly there is no credible opposition to the Tory’s which is why I guess they keep getting in. But I think given how bad the country is at the moment might just push voters to give someone else a chance. Labour has always supposedly been for the more working class and that’s the kind of party we need in right now not a party that is going to help the rich get richer and screw everyone else.

Tories have been in government by forming a coalition as they did not have a majority.

But the facts are every poll sees Labour way ahead of the Tories in terms of voters intentions.

Well because the Conservatives have failed. What have they actually delivered? I appreciate that they have definitely delivered for their donors but on raw prosperity they have failed.

More tax for less.

Public services non functioning

Trade that has got worse, not better.

A non delivering, non Government. The worst of my lifetime.

@Emotionalstorm you mean like the 'tactical ' thing of 2019 whereby Ukip were bribed to withdraw from seats the Tory's thought they might take votes off them and split the right wing vote? I'm afraid they don't play fair, so why should anyone else. !!They have an absolute boatload of seats with low majorities where the ukip vote may well have lost them the seat.

Actually, under our FPTP system, the party that forms the GOvt, has not achieved a majority at all.
Tends to be around 44% of the vote and that could lead to a slim majority or a landslide.
Its why very few countries use FPTP.

People should be allowed to vote forever they wish and for whatever reason, its not for you or me to tell anyone how they should vote.