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The word actress?

132 replies

dottypotter · 02/02/2023 12:27

Everyone is an actor these days.
Females are not referred to as actresses any more.
A female is an actress.
Have I missed something?
Anyone else noticed?

OP posts:
Lupinhollyhocks · 02/02/2023 15:03

I feel that using actor' in place of 'actress' is pretty sexist. As though it's a promotion for women to have the same status as men and they're finally being taken seriously.
Having a term that denotes you as female is not something that diminishes you.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/02/2023 17:17

Another reverse; I was wondering about ‘midwife’. Are there male versions? If so I think they would be called a male midwife.

We have male nurses.

In these cases it is the man being slightly stigmatised.

DuchessOfSausage · 02/02/2023 17:18

When was the term male nurse last used? I've not heard it in decades

midgetastic · 02/02/2023 17:21

But we shouldn't need to announce that it's a male or female actor should we ? Sex isn't // shouldn't be hugely relevant

Continually emphasising sex makes it seem like actors and actresses are expected to be different which is the basis behind most mysogeny , it's the basis behind treating women as if they had bubbles for brains

Where sex shouldn't matter I don't believe we should call it out

ThreeLittleDots · 02/02/2023 17:21

I was wondering about ‘midwife’. Are there male versions? If so I think they would be called a male midwife

Midwife means 'with woman'. Male midwives are called midwives, just as male nurses are called nurses.

DulcetTones · 02/02/2023 17:27

I don't really care, but I do wonder if the various awards that have typically had one award for male and one for female actors will continue to do so, and if so, why?

(Because the more awards they can give out, the better, realistically. They do enjoy awarding themselves...)

plumduck · 02/02/2023 17:30

CitronVert22 · 02/02/2023 13:23

Actress makes sense to me because sex actually does matter more in that profession than in most. Then there's the thing that gender neutral often leads people into default male thinking. I bet if you ask 100 people name the first famous actor they can think of that you get more than 50 men named.

That's not the word's fault it's people's sexist views

pursudebyablackdog · 02/02/2023 17:41

One word; thespian. Much easier all round!

Cosyblankets · 02/02/2023 17:43

Had no idea the word waitress was sexist. I know they're phasing out actress but it wouldn't have occurred to me to called a waitress a waiter. It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me to say server because I'm not American.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/02/2023 17:44

About sex swapping woman to play men in plays.
I can’t see your username - whoever asked why I had said this was like saying only gender mattered, not sex - without going off the page.

I suppose the reason that Elizabethans used male actors for female roles was out of necessity. So, in the plays you mentioned, someone thought it would be interesting to try that the other way round.

I have not seen the plays you brought up so of course I cannot be sure. It seems an interesting experiment in its own right, but seems an odd thing to interpret a play written and imagined to portray a man and his thoughts by using a female person.

I can see it could be revealing through the incongruity or unsettling effect, but do not think this is, as it were, just an actor doing their job, so they can play any part if they are a good actor; it doesn’t matter what sex they are as long as they portray the character well. In theory that is right but males and females are too different in their physical presence for that to make sense imo.

It is not the same as black actors portraying parts, say, set in a time where in reality there would not have been a black person being that character at that time. (Like it was in a recent lovely film of David Copperfield.) That is a bit like someone with brown hair instead of red hair playing a Celtic role, you soon don’t notice. Sex is more visceral, I think.

Krakenes · 02/02/2023 18:06

I hate being called a female engineer or female architect. It just highlights the difference in an already male dominated industry. My calculations are no different to a man’s. My sex has already held me back, I hate it being highlighted.

CrazyCorgi · 02/02/2023 18:09

I can’t believe you’ve only just noticed 😆 😆 It was probably more sexist to have a separate term for a female tbh, everyone is equal.

Murdoch1949 · 02/02/2023 18:11

Actress, manageress are diminutives to most people. They're managers, they're actors, not their less important subordinates.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/02/2023 18:14

Krakenes · 02/02/2023 18:06

I hate being called a female engineer or female architect. It just highlights the difference in an already male dominated industry. My calculations are no different to a man’s. My sex has already held me back, I hate it being highlighted.

I've toyed with getting my DD and her BF the his and hers engineers y shirts from 'The Man Who Has it All'.

https://www.facebook.com/MANWHOHASITALL/shop/?refcode=miniishoppageeheadercta&reff_surface=page

ErrolTheDragon · 02/02/2023 18:19

ThreeLittleDots · 02/02/2023 17:21

I was wondering about ‘midwife’. Are there male versions? If so I think they would be called a male midwife

Midwife means 'with woman'. Male midwives are called midwives, just as male nurses are called nurses.

Yes, the 'wif' meaning 'woman' is definitely a female only role!

BananaHamhock · 02/02/2023 18:26

CatchYouOnTheFlippetyFlop · 02/02/2023 12:32

'actress' seems like a daft term now. Same as 'manageress'

Glad to move along with the times and move away from such outdated terms

Exactly this. It seems so old fashioned. They're doing the same job as anyone else. I'm not really that bothered a
If someone chooses to use the term actress and tbh still think there should be a 'Best Actor and Best Actress' category in awards shows, but day to day I'd just say actor.

There is no distinguishing words that I'm aware of for female pilots, doctors, ambulance drivers, firefighters, accountants, etc

On a random note, I actually detest the term bar maid. Sounds like a bar wench and reminds me of someone from the 18th century. Why can't they just be bar staff?

DapperDame · 02/02/2023 18:37

The ultimate ones are surely "king" and "queen".

AppleKatie · 02/02/2023 18:47

King and Queen though are completely separate words.
QEII was not known as a ‘Monarchess’

BigFatLiar · 02/02/2023 18:48

I'm m not really that bothered a if someone chooses to use the term actress and tbh still think there should be a 'Best Actor and Best Actress' category in awards shows,

And you have the benefit of only needing one award so having the time these ceremonies take.

midgetastic · 02/02/2023 18:51

You can have male and female awards for actors without needing the words actor and actress

We have awards for female engineers without calling them engineeresses

garlictwist · 02/02/2023 19:13

Llovecookies · 02/02/2023 13:11

What's the neutral word for a seamstress?

I work in a sewing factory and everyone is called "machinists"

garlictwist · 02/02/2023 19:18

UrsulaTitchener · 02/02/2023 14:26

@Tangerinie , in France they say femme medecin.

No they don't. They say "medecin" for both (or use "une medecin" rather than "un").

Krakenes · 02/02/2023 19:25

ErrolTheDragon · 02/02/2023 18:14

I've toyed with getting my DD and her BF the his and hers engineers y shirts from 'The Man Who Has it All'.

https://www.facebook.com/MANWHOHASITALL/shop/?refcode=miniishoppageeheadercta&reff_surface=page

Love it! Especially the ‘boys will be boys’ and ‘cat dad’. I tried to get my husband some cat related clothing (socks, etc) - but all the male clothing was dogs!

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 02/02/2023 19:28

Llovecookies · 02/02/2023 13:11

What's the neutral word for a seamstress?

Sewist. Really.

Imisscoffee2021 · 02/02/2023 19:28

It's an interesting example of how, in fighting to be seen as equal with men, it has revealed that there are negative connotations to the feminine version of the same profession. Actress should be as respected as actor, but for some reason it has been seen as less than by women in that profession and they have fought to use actor. Why is actress lesser?

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