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AIBU?

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Today we strike

209 replies

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 07:56

Aibu to ask you to support all striking workers today? Please do, however you can.

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ChristmasKraken · 01/02/2023 14:22

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:16

Anyone in the UK can join a union and is protected by law. Yes, people feel vulnerable I get that. Public sector jobs are more secure (or traditionally have been, academisation is trashing that in education). I still don't understand why we are so pitted against each other though.

Because public sector workers striking makes lives harder for the general public (whilst making little to no difference to the people who actually make the decisions). I think a lot of private sector workers are looking at you with your nice pensions and secure jobs, seemingly complaining about not being paid enough, whilst we're here waiting to see if we'll get made redundant in the next company budget review, knowing there is a 0% pay rise this year, but still having to work late every day in the hope that we've proved our value if any job cuts are made.... And now we're having to take more time off, or juggle work and children, thus making our own jobs feel even less secure.

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:23

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:16

Would you like to me to ask you for solutions to my job? why is it my responsibility to look for solutions in your field? I'm not avoiding your question it's not my responsibility to fix a field you chose to join and be part off. I train others in my field and do it because I feel they are worth my time and don't get any extra pay for it. I don't walk out I actually do something rather than moan its not fair......

I do have an issue with people walking out on the job and asking people to support them. What support are you providing to parents you are putting out and the students that are not getting an education today.

The education system has always been broken, I left many many years ago with aero qualifications, because the school system was shocking. I have since then in my adult life invested in getting the training and skills I needed and got a decent career.

So you criticise people for trying to change things whilst having no suggestions of your own ?

Oysterbabe · 01/02/2023 14:23

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · 01/02/2023 14:16

No way do I support strikes - holding the country to ransom. Sod off, teachers moaned about how their dear little pupils missed out so much schooling with lockdowns. Now your selfishness and greed causes then to miss out again! Pure Hypocrisy

The unions were wailing that the schools must stay closed for about 2 years throughout covid. Because the teachers were unsafe 🙄They didn't care about the kids then and don't now.

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:24

@Perfect28 I work in the environment and biodiversity sector, so yes my job affects everyone and everything.

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:26

@MrWhippersnapper Why should I look for solutions in your chosen field, as I said do I as ask you for mine? Nope because you would not have a clue 🙄

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:29

Right, so you work in a sector which relies heavily on educated workers then? But you don't think it's important to have a working education system?

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MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:30

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:26

@MrWhippersnapper Why should I look for solutions in your chosen field, as I said do I as ask you for mine? Nope because you would not have a clue 🙄

As you clearly have no clue on ours yet here you are criticising those who are trying to do something

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:31

@Oysterbabe It's so dsingenuous to suggest we don't care about children. Why on earth would we do what we do if we didn't care about children?

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rumship · 01/02/2023 14:31

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:29

Right, so you work in a sector which relies heavily on educated workers then? But you don't think it's important to have a working education system?

Actually I find people who come to me with a passion for their choose career and a willingness to learn from me and my colleagues is far more important. Trust me you don't touch the sides of what they need to know in the field.

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:32

Oysterbabe · 01/02/2023 14:23

The unions were wailing that the schools must stay closed for about 2 years throughout covid. Because the teachers were unsafe 🙄They didn't care about the kids then and don't now.

Oh go away with your silly nonsense

PuddlesPityParty · 01/02/2023 14:33

ChristmasKraken · 01/02/2023 14:22

Because public sector workers striking makes lives harder for the general public (whilst making little to no difference to the people who actually make the decisions). I think a lot of private sector workers are looking at you with your nice pensions and secure jobs, seemingly complaining about not being paid enough, whilst we're here waiting to see if we'll get made redundant in the next company budget review, knowing there is a 0% pay rise this year, but still having to work late every day in the hope that we've proved our value if any job cuts are made.... And now we're having to take more time off, or juggle work and children, thus making our own jobs feel even less secure.

Based off a lot of the people saying “leave the public sector then / get a different job” to those on strike, surely the answer is get a secure job in the public sector if you think it’s so amazing? You likely wouldn’t, and probably for the reasons of the strikes.

I get where your coming from, but it’s not a race to the bottom.

BookwormButNoTime · 01/02/2023 14:33

@EarthlyNightshade Yes she gets it. She was actually feeling quite supportive until this morning and then it’s hit her that this is directly impacting on her learning.

Four strike days, including today, plus the extra bank holiday for the coronation. That’s a week of school taken away from her in the run up to her exams. Well, for every child doing GCSEs and A-levels really. Some schools have prioritised these year groups but her school have not.

If there are teachers on here, what would YOU say to my niece to reassure her that this won’t impact on her learning and exams? All the other stuff about improving things for everyone and the future just doesn’t feel relevant to her as she should be starting an apprenticeship in September. She in no way benefits from these strikes, only loses out.

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:33

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:30

As you clearly have no clue on ours yet here you are criticising those who are trying to do something

I don't need to know anything about your field to know walking out and leaving people in the shit is working well. Why were are your results?

Besides the OP asked us for support on a public forum, so if you don't like the answers don't come into a public forum.

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:34

Where do you think those passions and interests are nurtured in the majority of cases? School is far from being just about qualifications.

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Dacadactyl · 01/02/2023 14:34

I support strike action for certain reasons such as NHS workers not getting breaks, having to stay after their shift, not having enough staff to cover patients etc. And the teachers because they don't have the clout to expel unruly kids and there's not enough places in PRUs etc.

Pay is not one of the reasons I support the strike. I drove past a picket line and they were holding signs saying "from the front line to the breadline". They were trying to get the public's support but focusing on the wrong thing IMO.

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:34

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:33

I don't need to know anything about your field to know walking out and leaving people in the shit is working well. Why were are your results?

Besides the OP asked us for support on a public forum, so if you don't like the answers don't come into a public forum.

Like you clearly don’t like my answers ?

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:35

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:34

Where do you think those passions and interests are nurtured in the majority of cases? School is far from being just about qualifications.

Mine came from my parents and where I live like most people I speak to.

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:35

This is the first strike so the results are not known yet. Strikes are supposed to be disruptive, that’s the whole point.

Slowingdownagain · 01/02/2023 14:36

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:32

Oh go away with your silly nonsense

This is the thing, people are traumatised from Covid. They remember - even if slightly incorrectly (and the unions where advocating more/ longer closures and increased covid measures as I recall). I think Covid made the UK as a country take a huge step backwards in terms of solidarity with each other.

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:37

@MrWhippersnapper 🙄

MrWhippersnapper · 01/02/2023 14:37

rumship · 01/02/2023 14:37

@MrWhippersnapper 🙄

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EmmaEmerald · 01/02/2023 14:38

I'm not a public sector person
i've never had to strike

I think I'm considered right wing though the terms often don't mean much

I looked at this today and said - well done! I do support the strikes...people who know me are surprised...but I'm pleased to see this turnout. (I'll even refrain from asking where they were during anti lockdown protests...!)

twitter.com/eiecampaign/status/1620764920014053377

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:40

@BookwormButNoTime I would educate her on the wider picture, so she understands the importance of education for a thriving (functional) society. I would then direct her to the many many resources available online for free to revise whichever subject or subjects she identifies as needing more work. If all else fails I suggest reading a book, going for a walk, engaging with nature or community, doing something creative, watch a documentary.

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BookwormButNoTime · 01/02/2023 14:59

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 14:40

@BookwormButNoTime I would educate her on the wider picture, so she understands the importance of education for a thriving (functional) society. I would then direct her to the many many resources available online for free to revise whichever subject or subjects she identifies as needing more work. If all else fails I suggest reading a book, going for a walk, engaging with nature or community, doing something creative, watch a documentary.

You have TOTALLY missed the point. You are unable to offer any reassurance because you know these children in key year groups ARE being impacted significantly.

Maybe we should just stop sending children to school and consult the wide range of free resources online if that’s an adequate alternative? Of course not as there’s no substitute for being taught by a teacher….

Everyone is working to protect the future of education but forgetting about those who need it right now.

Perfect28 · 01/02/2023 15:07

How is it totally missing the point? We are talking about a handful of days. If you're outraged by my response I think you should question why. Honestly if you're outraged at this you would be shocked to know how much school time is currently squandered because of poor behaviour in their school. Poor behaviour, by the way, which is the direct consequence of the devastation of public sector cuts over a decade.

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