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Does anyone NOT support teachers’ strikes?

897 replies

Notbeinggoadybut · 25/01/2023 20:13

I’ve got mixed views. Support that they, as all public sector workers, need a pay rise. And schools need more funding (but the NEU hasn’t badged this as a public reason which is a mistake IMP).

But 12% is a lot when you’re on a £40k salary. The TA’s deserve 12%, the nurses and ambulance drivers with dire conditions and worse salaries deserve 12%. But not from a starting salary of £40k.

Also public services can be dire. I work in one, it can be bordering on a joke and in so many ways such a waste of money. I will be striking on the 1st of February. But I don’t think it’s right - I voted against the strike. I want a pay rise, but don’t feel like it’s right to ask for 10% and strike if I don’t get it.

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WindscreenWipe · 25/01/2023 21:38

MotherOfLunatics · 25/01/2023 21:35

Rumours and half truths .......? Please elaborate!

RTFT. It’s already been elaborated on.

OldFan · 25/01/2023 21:39

90% or so of heads say their schools will be broke in a few years time.

They say this to try and get more money, sometimes even out of parents. I've never known a school go broke and have to close for that reason (I've known some close for other reasons, like not being any good.)

grayhairdontcare · 25/01/2023 21:39

@Perfect28 No. I'm supporting their right to find a job they are happy with .

whatthefunkisgoingon · 25/01/2023 21:39

Hbh17 · 25/01/2023 21:30

Public sector workers should never strike. (And I have worked in the public sector). They took on the job to provide a service to the public. We'd all love a 12% payrise, but many people will get zero - that's just reality. And taxpayers would be paying for any rise, which seems to get forgotten.

This.

FuckingHateRats · 25/01/2023 21:40

FuckingHateRats · 25/01/2023 21:36

I am a teacher and I was striking today (Scotland).

I am striking as an act of solidarity with my union and fellow teachers. Personally, I think I am fairly recompensed for the work I do (however I am in a promoted post and earn £46k). If I could choose, I would strike instead for smaller class sizes.

For me, the money is fine. The holidays are great. I love the satisfaction I get from my job.

What is not okay is:

  • The verbal (and physical) abuse from students
  • The increased workload that arises from maximum class sizes
  • The sector's total acceptance and assumption that I'll work evenings and weekends for free.
  • the fact that I can't get the minimum requirements of my role done in the allocated time.
  • the all-consuming nature of the job. I have many friends who work in other sectors but they are able to turn off from their work in a way teachers cannot. There is always 'something' to be done. I routinely work until 9.30pm every night during term, when I'm at my desk at 8am.

But I can't strike about those things. So instead I stand in solidarity with my colleagues and support the strike over pay instead.

And I forget to say that my colleagues on £28k face similarly unmanageable conditions. And that is definitely not fair recompense.

donttellmehesalive · 25/01/2023 21:40

grayhairdontcare · 25/01/2023 21:37

@donttellmehesalive honestly I would rather you all just stopped moaning .
Lots of people earn shit money with shit conditions.
The cost of living crisis is hitting most people hard.
Lots of people's retirement and pensions have been moved and amended.

It's a shame you feel that the only option people have in life is to put up and shut up. I'm pleased I chose a profession with a collective union so that we can aim for better.

MrsHamlet · 25/01/2023 21:40

OldFan · 25/01/2023 21:39

90% or so of heads say their schools will be broke in a few years time.

They say this to try and get more money, sometimes even out of parents. I've never known a school go broke and have to close for that reason (I've known some close for other reasons, like not being any good.)

You've never heard of forced academisation?

MrWhippersnapper · 25/01/2023 21:40

grayhairdontcare · 25/01/2023 21:37

@donttellmehesalive honestly I would rather you all just stopped moaning .
Lots of people earn shit money with shit conditions.
The cost of living crisis is hitting most people hard.
Lots of people's retirement and pensions have been moved and amended.

And if we don’t fight nothing will change

noblegiraffe · 25/01/2023 21:40

BankOfDave · 25/01/2023 21:37

It’s really depressing to read some of the very incorrect statements on this thread that get repeated as fact without posters so much as checking. They then form an opinion on the issue based on incorrect facts.

Almost like it's deliberate.

Perfect28 · 25/01/2023 21:40

Grayhair what do you think happens to schools when there literally aren't enough teachers on the premises?

safeplanet · 25/01/2023 21:40

Unless the government changes the workload pressure in all sectors, nothing will change. But they know they can academise all schools and then teachers will e paid much less

That's what will happen won't it, more academies & schools be run more like businesses. Not convinced that's good for education.

Notbeinggoadybut · 25/01/2023 21:41

@WineDup you make a lot of adjustments for ALN in your class. Are you secondary or primary? My niece has ADHD and the only adjustment she’s given is an occasional piece of blue tack to fiddle with.

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MrWhippersnapper · 25/01/2023 21:41

OldFan · 25/01/2023 21:39

90% or so of heads say their schools will be broke in a few years time.

They say this to try and get more money, sometimes even out of parents. I've never known a school go broke and have to close for that reason (I've known some close for other reasons, like not being any good.)

You have no idea

WindscreenWipe · 25/01/2023 21:41

OldFan · 25/01/2023 21:39

90% or so of heads say their schools will be broke in a few years time.

They say this to try and get more money, sometimes even out of parents. I've never known a school go broke and have to close for that reason (I've known some close for other reasons, like not being any good.)

schoolsweek.co.uk/hefty-bills-for-the-government-as-more-academy-trusts-close/ Here you go

grayhairdontcare · 25/01/2023 21:41

@MrWhippersnapper @donttellmehesalive
Strikes have always happened and always will.
It does not change!

MotherOfLunatics · 25/01/2023 21:41

WindscreenWipe · 25/01/2023 21:38

RTFT. It’s already been elaborated on.

If you have a point, you need to make it.

Youknowwhothisis · 25/01/2023 21:42

Quick question....did you teachers not know the starting salary and maximum earning capacity when you decided to join the profession? When you trained did you see the standards you were expected to keep and the workload and daily stresses?

pointythings · 25/01/2023 21:42

Also, can we not pretend that people aren’t attracted to teaching because of the holidays and hours?

How to tell MN that you don't actually know anything about teachers' holidays and hours without mentioning that you don't know anything about teachers' holidays and hours Hmm

WineDup · 25/01/2023 21:42

Notbeinggoadybut · 25/01/2023 21:41

@WineDup you make a lot of adjustments for ALN in your class. Are you secondary or primary? My niece has ADHD and the only adjustment she’s given is an occasional piece of blue tack to fiddle with.

Secondary. If you think I could be of help with ideas, feel free to message.

DietrichandDiMaggio · 25/01/2023 21:43

echt · 25/01/2023 20:48

I mean how hard is it to teach Year7 English or History? I could teach this term’s syllabus with a weekend of prep

Yeah. Right.

I know, because obviously all you have to do is read up on the subject matter and then tell the children about it, and then they will have learned it. Easy!

MrWhippersnapper · 25/01/2023 21:43

Youknowwhothisis · 25/01/2023 21:42

Quick question....did you teachers not know the starting salary and maximum earning capacity when you decided to join the profession? When you trained did you see the standards you were expected to keep and the workload and daily stresses?

I qualified under a Labour government in the 90’s, very different conditions

WindscreenWipe · 25/01/2023 21:43

MotherOfLunatics · 25/01/2023 21:41

If you have a point, you need to make it.

I did. You’ve chosen not to read it. You have your answer, you’ve chosen to remain ignorant. If you don’t want the answer then don’t ask.

PomRuns · 25/01/2023 21:44

Fully support and fully support the need for increased funding in schools.
I'd happily pay more tax for education, health, social care - if only we didn't have this corrupt government.

MrWhippersnapper · 25/01/2023 21:44

grayhairdontcare · 25/01/2023 21:41

@MrWhippersnapper @donttellmehesalive
Strikes have always happened and always will.
It does not change!

Nonsense

safeplanet · 25/01/2023 21:44

Also, can we not pretend that people aren’t attracted to teaching because of the holidays and hours?

That's one benefit my brother likes certainly. But he works for an excellent school that has a good culture.

I moved back to the public sector myself for better pension & miss job security.