I’ve got mixed views. Support that they, as all public sector workers, need a pay rise. And schools need more funding (but the NEU hasn’t badged this as a public reason which is a mistake IMP).
But 12% is a lot when you’re on a £40k salary. The TA’s deserve 12%, the nurses and ambulance drivers with dire conditions and worse salaries deserve 12%. But not from a starting salary of £40k.
Also public services can be dire. I work in one, it can be bordering on a joke and in so many ways such a waste of money. I will be striking on the 1st of February. But I don’t think it’s right - I voted against the strike. I want a pay rise, but don’t feel like it’s right to ask for 10% and strike if I don’t get it.
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Does anyone NOT support teachers’ strikes?
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Notbeinggoadybut · 25/01/2023 20:13
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fitzwilliamdarcy ·
15/09/2023 13:52
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:46
Hahahahah no. You’ve really missed the point.
Teachers should get together with others to find a joined up plan that actually works.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 13:44
What’s that got to do with the price of fish?
I thought your point was that teachers should support the strikes of carers and social workers in order to show solidarity and increase support for themselves. Now you’re suggesting that they never strike anyway, so how exactly does this “strategic perspective” work?
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:29
When did you last hear about social workers going on strike?
Or carers?
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 13:26
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions
They do. There are days called “super strike” days for a reason, because the unions will co-ordinate their efforts to maximise their impact. Rallies and protests will usually see the various unions marching together.
That’s the thing about unions - it’s a socialist thing to want to work together in exactly the way you describe. I don’t know if the dismissal you’re talking about is MN posters or something else, but what you think should be happening… is happening.
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Allgoodusernamesweretaken ·
15/09/2023 14:06
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 11:35
I support the principles and the reasons for the strikes, but working in public sector myself i will never support strikes that directly work to the detriment of others.
Ours kids lost enough during covid - why should their education and future be punished further?
I also think that in the grand scheme of things teachers get a better deal than many others ( NOT SAYING IT IS GOOD ENOUGH - JUST BETTER) and chose a profession to care and to support kids. I don't see that on strike days, i see them only thinking of themselves.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken ·
15/09/2023 14:16
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:09
Hahahah sometimes it’s like talking to a cult when talking about teachers / teaching. People are so set in their views and everyone else is just wrong!
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions)
Do I think there is a straightforward answer to please everyone in the short term? Probably not as I said. But there is more than one way to get to an outcome and I’d be much more supportive of non striking efforts.
As I said, and I’ll say again, strikes have made ZERO positive impact on the cause.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 12:58
I’d just love it if teachers saw a wider picture and stopped always just jumping on people that see it from a more strategic perspective. Perhaps a joined up approach would have a better political impact and less negative impact on the people that need them.
I’m not a teacher but I asked you what you proposed and you said there probably wasn’t an answer and that teachers who don’t prioritise children over striking should leave.
You now seem to be suggesting that you have a strategic perspective that is leading to teachers attacking you.
I’m sure the teachers and their unions will be very interested to learn about your thoughts about strategising. That being said, I’ve a sneaking suspicion that your strategy to reduce negative impact involves “not striking where there’s any impact on anyone”, as per your first comment. Which is a nonsense, because in order to be effective a strike must cause some degree of inconvenience. You’re hardly going to convince anyone that your work is vital if withdrawing it makes no difference.
ASCCM ·
15/09/2023 14:23
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 14:16
I wonder what you are on about. I don't know a single teacher who dismiss other professions working conditions. We striked together with other unions a number of times. No one is denying recruitment crisis within the NHS. But that does not mean we should just roll over and do nothing. Saying there is a crisis in teaching recruitment does not mean we're denying it elsewhere, how did you arrive at the conclusion it supposedly does!
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:09
Hahahah sometimes it’s like talking to a cult when talking about teachers / teaching. People are so set in their views and everyone else is just wrong!
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions)
Do I think there is a straightforward answer to please everyone in the short term? Probably not as I said. But there is more than one way to get to an outcome and I’d be much more supportive of non striking efforts.
As I said, and I’ll say again, strikes have made ZERO positive impact on the cause.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 12:58
I’d just love it if teachers saw a wider picture and stopped always just jumping on people that see it from a more strategic perspective. Perhaps a joined up approach would have a better political impact and less negative impact on the people that need them.
I’m not a teacher but I asked you what you proposed and you said there probably wasn’t an answer and that teachers who don’t prioritise children over striking should leave.
You now seem to be suggesting that you have a strategic perspective that is leading to teachers attacking you.
I’m sure the teachers and their unions will be very interested to learn about your thoughts about strategising. That being said, I’ve a sneaking suspicion that your strategy to reduce negative impact involves “not striking where there’s any impact on anyone”, as per your first comment. Which is a nonsense, because in order to be effective a strike must cause some degree of inconvenience. You’re hardly going to convince anyone that your work is vital if withdrawing it makes no difference.
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15/09/2023 14:28
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ilovesooty ·
15/09/2023 14:42
HollaWithDaRisinSound · 15/09/2023 14:39
People whose only debate / argument, is to call out other folks spelling and/or grammar - actually come across as thick af.
HollaWithDaRisinSound ·
15/09/2023 14:43
ilovesooty · 15/09/2023 14:42
People who can't understand context don't come across as terribly bright either - or at least seem not to have understood the conversation.
EditedHollaWithDaRisinSound · 15/09/2023 14:39
People whose only debate / argument, is to call out other folks spelling and/or grammar - actually come across as thick af.
noblegiraffe ·
15/09/2023 14:50
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Uriah ·
15/09/2023 14:58
HollaWithDaRisinSound · 15/09/2023 14:39
People whose only debate / argument, is to call out other folks spelling and/or grammar - actually come across as thick af.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken ·
15/09/2023 15:00
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 14:23
This topic is getting a bit boring now and I have other things to do today so this is my last response, people really struggle to see it unless you’re just like ‘ yeah 100% on board with strikes’
All I have always said is, strikes don’t work. The public sector is all shit. It could have more impact politically if approached as a consensus. In the media etc and in other threads and forums teachers are often dismissive of others. Their plight is often dramatised and over exaggerated. They simply have stronger unions than other parts of the public sector.
I’ve never once said that I don’t agree with some of the aspects of the reasons behind the strikes and I’d like more investment and fair pay etc. I just don’t think ( and never think regardless of topic) that strikes are the answer.
I don’t support the strikes, That was the original OPs question and I have answered it.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 14:16
I wonder what you are on about. I don't know a single teacher who dismiss other professions working conditions. We striked together with other unions a number of times. No one is denying recruitment crisis within the NHS. But that does not mean we should just roll over and do nothing. Saying there is a crisis in teaching recruitment does not mean we're denying it elsewhere, how did you arrive at the conclusion it supposedly does!
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:09
Hahahah sometimes it’s like talking to a cult when talking about teachers / teaching. People are so set in their views and everyone else is just wrong!
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions)
Do I think there is a straightforward answer to please everyone in the short term? Probably not as I said. But there is more than one way to get to an outcome and I’d be much more supportive of non striking efforts.
As I said, and I’ll say again, strikes have made ZERO positive impact on the cause.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 12:58
I’d just love it if teachers saw a wider picture and stopped always just jumping on people that see it from a more strategic perspective. Perhaps a joined up approach would have a better political impact and less negative impact on the people that need them.
I’m not a teacher but I asked you what you proposed and you said there probably wasn’t an answer and that teachers who don’t prioritise children over striking should leave.
You now seem to be suggesting that you have a strategic perspective that is leading to teachers attacking you.
I’m sure the teachers and their unions will be very interested to learn about your thoughts about strategising. That being said, I’ve a sneaking suspicion that your strategy to reduce negative impact involves “not striking where there’s any impact on anyone”, as per your first comment. Which is a nonsense, because in order to be effective a strike must cause some degree of inconvenience. You’re hardly going to convince anyone that your work is vital if withdrawing it makes no difference.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken ·
15/09/2023 15:02
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ASCCM ·
15/09/2023 15:03
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 15:00
You forget that strikes did work, we did get a pay rise.
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 14:23
This topic is getting a bit boring now and I have other things to do today so this is my last response, people really struggle to see it unless you’re just like ‘ yeah 100% on board with strikes’
All I have always said is, strikes don’t work. The public sector is all shit. It could have more impact politically if approached as a consensus. In the media etc and in other threads and forums teachers are often dismissive of others. Their plight is often dramatised and over exaggerated. They simply have stronger unions than other parts of the public sector.
I’ve never once said that I don’t agree with some of the aspects of the reasons behind the strikes and I’d like more investment and fair pay etc. I just don’t think ( and never think regardless of topic) that strikes are the answer.
I don’t support the strikes, That was the original OPs question and I have answered it.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 14:16
I wonder what you are on about. I don't know a single teacher who dismiss other professions working conditions. We striked together with other unions a number of times. No one is denying recruitment crisis within the NHS. But that does not mean we should just roll over and do nothing. Saying there is a crisis in teaching recruitment does not mean we're denying it elsewhere, how did you arrive at the conclusion it supposedly does!
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:09
Hahahah sometimes it’s like talking to a cult when talking about teachers / teaching. People are so set in their views and everyone else is just wrong!
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions)
Do I think there is a straightforward answer to please everyone in the short term? Probably not as I said. But there is more than one way to get to an outcome and I’d be much more supportive of non striking efforts.
As I said, and I’ll say again, strikes have made ZERO positive impact on the cause.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 12:58
I’d just love it if teachers saw a wider picture and stopped always just jumping on people that see it from a more strategic perspective. Perhaps a joined up approach would have a better political impact and less negative impact on the people that need them.
I’m not a teacher but I asked you what you proposed and you said there probably wasn’t an answer and that teachers who don’t prioritise children over striking should leave.
You now seem to be suggesting that you have a strategic perspective that is leading to teachers attacking you.
I’m sure the teachers and their unions will be very interested to learn about your thoughts about strategising. That being said, I’ve a sneaking suspicion that your strategy to reduce negative impact involves “not striking where there’s any impact on anyone”, as per your first comment. Which is a nonsense, because in order to be effective a strike must cause some degree of inconvenience. You’re hardly going to convince anyone that your work is vital if withdrawing it makes no difference.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken ·
15/09/2023 15:08
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 15:03
From your school budget. At the detriment to other things - yep , sounds like a win doesn’t it!! I thought the point was for schools to have better financial provision — you made that worse!
( really am going now - but that was just too ridiculous to not answer!)
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 15:00
You forget that strikes did work, we did get a pay rise.
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 14:23
This topic is getting a bit boring now and I have other things to do today so this is my last response, people really struggle to see it unless you’re just like ‘ yeah 100% on board with strikes’
All I have always said is, strikes don’t work. The public sector is all shit. It could have more impact politically if approached as a consensus. In the media etc and in other threads and forums teachers are often dismissive of others. Their plight is often dramatised and over exaggerated. They simply have stronger unions than other parts of the public sector.
I’ve never once said that I don’t agree with some of the aspects of the reasons behind the strikes and I’d like more investment and fair pay etc. I just don’t think ( and never think regardless of topic) that strikes are the answer.
I don’t support the strikes, That was the original OPs question and I have answered it.
Allgoodusernamesweretaken · 15/09/2023 14:16
I wonder what you are on about. I don't know a single teacher who dismiss other professions working conditions. We striked together with other unions a number of times. No one is denying recruitment crisis within the NHS. But that does not mean we should just roll over and do nothing. Saying there is a crisis in teaching recruitment does not mean we're denying it elsewhere, how did you arrive at the conclusion it supposedly does!
ASCCM · 15/09/2023 13:09
Hahahah sometimes it’s like talking to a cult when talking about teachers / teaching. People are so set in their views and everyone else is just wrong!
What I mean is, if teachers could see past their own immediate cause and join up with social workers, carers, health care assistants etc who also need better pay and conditions and funding and recruitment etc they might get better results? Instead they alienate and dismiss others as not being as hard done by as them ( even though many are in much worst positions)
Do I think there is a straightforward answer to please everyone in the short term? Probably not as I said. But there is more than one way to get to an outcome and I’d be much more supportive of non striking efforts.
As I said, and I’ll say again, strikes have made ZERO positive impact on the cause.
fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/09/2023 12:58
I’d just love it if teachers saw a wider picture and stopped always just jumping on people that see it from a more strategic perspective. Perhaps a joined up approach would have a better political impact and less negative impact on the people that need them.
I’m not a teacher but I asked you what you proposed and you said there probably wasn’t an answer and that teachers who don’t prioritise children over striking should leave.
You now seem to be suggesting that you have a strategic perspective that is leading to teachers attacking you.
I’m sure the teachers and their unions will be very interested to learn about your thoughts about strategising. That being said, I’ve a sneaking suspicion that your strategy to reduce negative impact involves “not striking where there’s any impact on anyone”, as per your first comment. Which is a nonsense, because in order to be effective a strike must cause some degree of inconvenience. You’re hardly going to convince anyone that your work is vital if withdrawing it makes no difference.
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