To think we’re in the foothills of World War 3?

[Letthecarhuntbegin]

The West is upping the ante supporting the Ukraine, but I can’t imagine Russia backing down. Surely this will just keep escalating over the coming months and years. The beginning of World War 3?

[potniatheron]

As @Blueblell says we are already in WW3 but it is being fought in cyberspace, for people's hearts and minds.

Gen Z believes that men can become women and vice versa and that feelings trump objective truth. They also believe that capitalism is evil and some form of communism / socialism in the future.

San Fransisco is the bellwether for what future Western cities will look like.

I'd say things are going Russia and China's way very nicely.

[GPTec1]

@potniatheron

As @Blueblell says we are already in WW3 but it is being fought in cyberspace, for people's hearts and minds.

Gen Z believes that men can become women and vice versa and that feelings trump objective truth. They also believe that capitalism is evil and some form of communism / socialism in the future.

San Fransisco is the bellwether for what future Western cities will look like.

I'd say things are going Russia and China's way very nicely.

I might be wrong here but its much older generations that have changed the laws on Trans.
I don't think any 8 to 23 yo's are in power yet!

I also don't see anyone anywhere (in the West) embracing Communism/Socialism do you? if anything, the opposite is true.

[Bookist]

@SedatePixie

I have heard a rumour-a whisper really that the day may be coming when conscription is under consideration.

I know posters will shout for proof and shout bullshit but remember this-before conscription was introduced in World War 2, people were shouting for proof that it was going to happen and calling the whispers bullshit.

Nonetheless, it did happen and it will very likely happen here.

I don't want my son to die in this war-just as the mothers in world war two didn't want their sons to die and shouted loudly it would never happen.

But it did happen and many of their sons died.

Each step brings us nearer-weapons and some army have gone, now tanks, now long range missiles are being called for-next men-maybe women too.

So no, I can't provide proof-if that comforts you-great. If it comforts you that many posters will call bullshit, great. It won't stop reality.

What a nonsensical post. Modern warfare has come a very long way from hiding in trenches and running toward each others with fixed bayonets. Modern warfare actually requires far fewer soldiers to be equally as effective as the large armies of old, thanks to technology and IT. This is why there won't be conscription.

[BashirWithTheGoodBeard]

I have heard a rumour-a whisper really that the day may be coming when conscription is under consideration.

From people who have taken hallucinogenic drugs and/or slept through the last few decades?

[LexMitior]

This is some conspiracy level stupidity.

Russia is a declining power. It is less powerful than in 1990. Economically it is a basket case. It's conscription for a small war is having to engage men over 30. That is not strength, it's lunacy.

Cyber warfare is one area that the UK is good at. I'm more worried about Russia falling to bits than I am it sweeping into Europe.

[SedatePixie]

@Bookist

What a nonsensical post. Modern warfare has come a very long way from hiding in trenches and running toward each others with fixed bayonets. Modern warfare actually requires far fewer soldiers to be equally as effective as the large armies of old, thanks to technology and IT. This is why there won't be conscription.

😂😂😂

[GusGrongle]

@potniatheron

As @Blueblell says we are already in WW3 but it is being fought in cyberspace, for people's hearts and minds.

Gen Z believes that men can become women and vice versa and that feelings trump objective truth. They also believe that capitalism is evil and some form of communism / socialism in the future.

San Fransisco is the bellwether for what future Western cities will look like.

I'd say things are going Russia and China's way very nicely.

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[LexMitior]

Taking this ridiculous post at its highest, the UK has been unable even with a professional army to hold positions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mass conscription would be unlikely to improve that very quickly.

But in any event, if Russia wants to knock out the UK it can just bomb it. Preferably at the weekend.

And if you've got a son or daughter in the army, then yea, part of the job is the possibility they will die in service. War is like that.

The other shit about San Francisco and trans is basically good old homophobia. That's an old Russian line too - the West is decadent. I'll take being decadent. It's served us pretty well over the years

[IntentionalError]

The Ukraine conflict won’t escalate into WW3 while Biden & the grown-ups remain in charge in Washington. But if, god forbid, that imbecile Trump is re-elected next year then I would be very seriously worried.

[LexMitior]

It's important to look at facts, not speculation.

The post about San Francisco has made me particularly angry. One of the great things about the West is it's free society. Russia with its autocratic ingrained homophobia would probably beat and punish these people just for existing. They are extreme - extreme does not mean strong. Doesn't do to confuse the two.

[Natsku]

@Bookist

What a nonsensical post. Modern warfare has come a very long way from hiding in trenches and running toward each others with fixed bayonets. Modern warfare actually requires far fewer soldiers to be equally as effective as the large armies of old, thanks to technology and IT. This is why there won't be conscription.

While I agree that the post you're replying to is nonsensical (for the UK, no way is it heading towards conscription, but some countries in Europe are turning back towards conscription or at least considering it, not because they fear WWIII any time soon though and the process started before this year, there's talk in mine of extending it to women now as well), its not true that warfare has changed all that much, this war shows this.

[Whammyyammy]

Russia is conscripting men over 30 to fight modern Western tanks, its laughable, these conscripted men won't last long on the battlefield.

I wouldn't worry about WW3, Russia has embarrassed itself against ukraine in last 11 months. They dont have the infrastructure for a WW and will soon be back to being a miserable pariah country.

[daytriptovulcan]

Nonsense. Under international law Ukraine can acquire stuff it needs to defend itself. It's lawful.
The alternative to a rules based system is a Hobbesian law of the jungle, where the strong devour the weak. That's not a civilization that many want to be part of.

[knittingaddict]

@Thesenderofthiscard

@Letthecarhuntbegin People are worried, and scared. That's why your getting defensive angry answers... easier to yell at you than think about WW3

Honestly I'm not either of those things.

I think it's unlikey to be WW3 and if it is, it will be firmly on the shoulders of Putin and Russia. The rest of the World is acting as it needs to in order to right a wrong.

[DanseAvecLesLoups]

@SedatePixie

I have heard a rumour-a whisper really that the day may be coming when conscription is under consideration.

I know posters will shout for proof and shout bullshit but remember this-before conscription was introduced in World War 2, people were shouting for proof that it was going to happen and calling the whispers bullshit.

Nonetheless, it did happen and it will very likely happen here.

I don't want my son to die in this war-just as the mothers in world war two didn't want their sons to die and shouted loudly it would never happen.

But it did happen and many of their sons died.

Each step brings us nearer-weapons and some army have gone, now tanks, now long range missiles are being called for-next men-maybe women too.

So no, I can't provide proof-if that comforts you-great. If it comforts you that many posters will call bullshit, great. It won't stop reality.

Well that's the relationship boards fucked then.

[DanseAvecLesLoups]

@Bookist

What a nonsensical post. Modern warfare has come a very long way from hiding in trenches and running toward each others with fixed bayonets. Modern warfare actually requires far fewer soldiers to be equally as effective as the large armies of old, thanks to technology and IT. This is why there won't be conscription.

Russia clearly did not get the memo, they are still literally sending hundreds of conscripts at a time across open ground unsupported to take on dug in well defended Ukrainian positions. They are not calling the front 'the meat grinder' for nothing.

[Autumnnewname]

@SedatePixie

I have heard a rumour-a whisper really that the day may be coming when conscription is under consideration.

I know posters will shout for proof and shout bullshit but remember this-before conscription was introduced in World War 2, people were shouting for proof that it was going to happen and calling the whispers bullshit.

Nonetheless, it did happen and it will very likely happen here.

I don't want my son to die in this war-just as the mothers in world war two didn't want their sons to die and shouted loudly it would never happen.

But it did happen and many of their sons died.

Each step brings us nearer-weapons and some army have gone, now tanks, now long range missiles are being called for-next men-maybe women too.

So no, I can't provide proof-if that comforts you-great. If it comforts you that many posters will call bullshit, great. It won't stop reality.

Have you, aye?

[Solaris500]

Absolutely, yes we are. But this was completely predictable before Russia actually invaded. The crucial touchpoint will come when Ukraine tries to win back previously annexed territory. Putin would not be able to bear that loss. Russian doctrine incorporates the use of tactical nuclear weapons in a situation like that. And yet that's exactly where we've been heading since the early part of last year. To be frank, it's a miracle humanity hasn't reached this point before now nor have we witnessed a misunderstanding/technical error leading to nuclear war. At the end of the day there is very little that an individual can do about it so it's not worth worrying about. What is clear though is that you do not want to survive a nuclear holocaust.

[Greenshake]

@Solaris500 I agree that Crimea will be a sticking point and much will hinge on this. However, let’s bear in mind that Putin lobbed the nuclear threat around regarding the newly annexed (stolen) territories in September as well…..yet nothing has happened even after all the Ukranian success there.

[MallowPink]

Maybe Crimea will be the point at which serious negotiations can begin

[Solaris500]

Could be but Ukraine won't agree to give up Crimea and nor will Russia.

[MallowPink]

Crimea might turn out to be Ukraine's best bargaining chip for negotiation. I don't know that Ukraine wouldn't give up on Crimea in exchange for a return to pre-24 Feb borders and other security guarantees. What is the logical outcome of pushing forward with Crimea instead (other than to show they could?) What's the view in Crimea? Is there capacity? Would the West support that? Ukraine is also fighting / looking to the future with one hand tied behind its back given that it neighbours Russia and always will do. There's only so far to go

[Walterwhiteswifey]

When boots are on the ground from anyone in Nato then I will worry. Until then I don't think Russia will take any of them on.

[Greenshake]

@MallowPink

Crimea might turn out to be Ukraine's best bargaining chip for negotiation. I don't know that Ukraine wouldn't give up on Crimea in exchange for a return to pre-24 Feb borders and other security guarantees. What is the logical outcome of pushing forward with Crimea instead (other than to show they could?) What's the view in Crimea? Is there capacity? Would the West support that? Ukraine is also fighting / looking to the future with one hand tied behind its back given that it neighbours Russia and always will do. There's only so far to go

I don’t think that there is a much appetite in the West for Ukraine attempting to re-take Crimea. I have seen several interviews now with politicians where the responses to questions about this become quite vague.

[RosaGallica]

Maybe, maybe not.

I do think the West needs to wake up and recognise that there are such things as different cultures. Not everyone shares out values. “No one wants World War 3?” Maybe not, because Russia knows damn well it would lose against NATO: but believe it or not, there are an awful lot of male apes out there that actually like violence. Societies since the beginning of time have been structured on male ego and it’s search for status, with violence being one of the main expressions and methods of men gaining status.

Russia is one of those male-status societies, and they thought the west was too wrapped up in its playstations and corrupt financial games to care about anyone else: and too fearful of violence to recognise a need to call it out.

But I think Russia’s military capabilities have been shown up badly by this escapade and they are being bled by it now. So no, WW3 isn’t here yet.