to think if the state pension age of 68 is being brought forward.........

[JenniferBooth]

then they need to stop moaning and whining when there are no family members (read women)
to provide unpaid care so elderly relatives can be discharged from hospital
You cant have it both ways.

The current generation of pensioners is getting their pension at 66.

which is lower than 68...

@caringcarer My DM is 87 next month and she paid the married womans stamp.

Certainly prescriptions won't be free at 60 for much longer either.

It was in response to someone talking about early retirement.

And plenty of the current generation of female pensioners got theirs even younger, at 60, and the men at 65. My parents for example, who are part of the current cohort of pensioners.

wasn't it in the context of early vs younger people?

(I don't begrudge my parents that, but it's undeniable that they retired younger than I am likely to be able to)

Why not just make having DC easier? We had one 15 years ago but couldn't afford more. If they made it easier, there's be more young people. But as usual they made it practically impossible for normal working people to survive. Instead of dragging people out of retirement or insisting they keep turning up at work, despite their diabetes, arthritis and heart disease, provide child care and help with housing.

That’s not that much, and even if it is abolished, we’d be paying just as much in UC to pension age people due to being too old to work and not enough savings to live on.

What on earth is the point. The older you get the more likely you are to be ill or incapacitated. The State will still have to pay out out in disability benefits. They seem to think they will get a shiny new workforce by delaying the state pension.

Essentially you’re talking about two generations of pensioners: those who retired pre 2016 and are getting a lower pension and those who retired post 2016 and whose retirement ages are considerably higher. At least for women.

I'm in my early 30s. I've paid into a private pension for the last 10 years. I however don't earn that much so what I've amassed isn't much. My family have all passed at 74. No idea why, it's very odd. I don't expect to ever retire.

@AreOttersJustWetCats I didn't realise that. I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that younger generations are not getting a raw deal.

If caring for DC was a government priority, the answer wouldn’t be to free up the time of grandparents by funding earlier pensions, but state funded childcare for all.

Doing it via grandparents would be inequitable, because some children don't have grandparents, not all grandparents are in good enough health, not all grandparents live near enough, and not grandparents are willing to do it. State funded childcare would be open to all.

It’s no rawer a deal than those of us who funded two or three generations of retirees aged 60 and 65.

Exactly, Im much closer to pension age than starting work age. It’s a bit late for my age group to be told no state pension. It’s alright for a 16yr old, but not those of us who have been paying for our grandparents and parents the past thirty plus years….

What on earth is the point. The older you get the more likely you are to be ill or incapacitated. The State will still have to pay out out in disability benefits.

which is a good point. Do they just think people will die earlier? maybe they think the NHS won't exist in its current form so deaths will increase & the increased disability funding will be the cheaper option.

They are all part of the current cohort of pensioners though.

@Onnabugeisha what age cut of is ok for you? 16, 40, 50? why is it ok for a 16 yr old but not you?

The current generation of pensioners paid for their grandparents and parents retirement. They did their bit, it’s just their turn now.

But not the same generation. There are currently two generations at retirement age. Pretty obvious really when it covers 30 odd years.

I do think there will be a certain amount of whinging about women and unpaid caring duties- sexism and societal expectation isn’t going to go away. I’ve seen it come up in NHS debates quite often the concept that families (women) should provide care for relatives at home so social care can be scrapped

Ive seen some of the criticism of family members coming from some of the NHS workers on here. And from people claiming to be on the left. I doubt it will stop unfortunately

Essentially you’re talking about two generations of pensioners:

they are all pensioners though?

YY @Blossomtoes My DH is nearly 73 and a boomer My parents are 87 this year and are The Silent Generation

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