AIBU to feel that teachers shouldn't really be striking?

[Pinky1011]

They have 3 months PAID holidays only work 9-4pm, no dangerous or really bad working conditions, great job security, good pensions, They had pay rises last year up to 8%!!! I work in the private sector and haven't had a pay rise in almost 6 years! I just feel compared to alot of other professions, teachers have it quite good? I mean their starting salary is the same as a junior doctor. I get it inflation has wrecked everyone, but surely the issue should be getting inflation down? Not just demanding for more money, which by the way only fuels inflation further. AIBU to feel that teachers just don't know how good they have it compared to the rest of us?

The lockdown stuff is just obvious goady shit.

"I would direct funding towards private tutor sessions for disadvantaged DC and those who are still struggling after lockdown."

So tutor sessions that a TA can qualify for in 45 minutes that cost upwards of £150 a day to Hays Education who then pay the TA £50?

Or do you mean catch up sessions currently run by TA's on £12,000 a year if a school is lucky enough to still be able to afford them?
I plan and run reading, handwriting, toe by toe, SALT, six bricks, precision and RWI. I have 12 hours a week of interventions that I squeeze into 8 hours because the rest of the time i'm supporting in class. I monitor all the data and keep the class teacher up to date on progress. I have 14 children out of a class of 26 who have School Support Plans and only one of them has an ECHP (funding 16 hours).
I love my job as a TA but wouldn't be able to afford it if my wife didn't earn what she did.
The teachers i work with bust their asses everyday to give children the best start in life and overall just want education to be funded properly.

This is neither facts nor economics, it’s total ignorance of how pensions actually work.

This is neither facts nor economics, it’s total ignorance of how pensions actually work.

If you say so. Given I've audited them, been a trustee for one, am qualified in this area and am an economist by profession and spend time looking at the national data on projections and liabilities, I will politely disagree with you.

WineDup
I am paid £17 per hour for my time. NMW will be £10.42 per hour come April. My pay slip claims my hourly rate is £25 though. My salary is £25k. If I worked the same hours at NMW, my salary would be £16,255

NMW is currently £9.50 per hour - you can't uplift one side of the comparison without uplifting the other. The Scottish Government have already offered an uplift of 6.85% for the lowest paid teachers - 5% for most.

on NMW I’d take home £1200, which includes the sliding scale pension payment I’d make if this NMW job was part of the same scheme

As a teacher in Scotland your employer pays 23% of your pensionable income towards your pension;

teachinscotland.scot/news/teachers-pensions/

I also lost out on 5 years earning while I trained to be a teacher

Clearly you are going to be far better off over your working life on an FTE of £40,000 plus - compared to someone on NMW; better choice of where to live (mortgage/rent), better pension, access to credit (for cars, home improvements etc.) ...

Oh, and, on NMW I’d be entitled to £90/week towards childcare costs, and right now I get £0
So actually, I’d be better off on NMW

Is your doppelganger a single parent? But you are not. I don't see how you will be better off financially ditching your partner and his salary.

@FamousPrincess you wrote All in all, these days teachers all get around 16 weeks of lave inc BH's, teacher days and their extra health and welling being time off
It’s nonsense.
Most BHs fall in holiday time, and in any case don’t affect the number of days worked. That’s 195 (it was 194 for the jubilee and probably will be for the coronation).

Teacher days? I assume you mean INSET. These are working days for teachers, only the pupils are off (and again, they don’t affect the 195 teaching days. When they were created they came off the holidays - for no extra pay).
Extra health and well-being time off? I have no idea what you are talking about with this one. Nope. Can’t even begin to address such nonsense.

Just wanted to pop onto the thread and clarify that this is bullshit. Teachers in Scotland have been offered 5% and then, when that was rejected, a rehashed offer that gave the majority of staff… 5%. Yes, the newly qualified were offered 6.85%, but not sure why it should be the case that someone who is experienced, working the same job, gets proportionally less of a pay award.

And this is the pay offer for 2022/23 that we’re talking about here. Nearly a year overdue, as it has been almost every year of the 12 I’ve been a teacher.

9%??? Teachers in Scotland are striking tomorrow and I doubt very much we'd be losing another day's pay if there was a 9% offer on the table. I can't even imagine how much glue that poster is on!

Plus private sector pay offers all differ anyway. I got 10% in 2021 and 6 last year. I’ve averaged around 6% a year over the 20 years I’ve worked in finance. Based on those I know in professional jobs in the private sector that’s pretty modest but it’s better than much of the public sector

Annoyingly, I had already typed a reply and it deleted.

Okay we will put it this way then. NMW have been offered a 9.68% pay rise, which has been approved. If teachers were offered 9.68%, they would accept. But we haven’t - we have been offered 5%. So yes, you can compare the two; because those are the figures that have been approved.

My employers pension contribution is irrelevant; I’m speaking about the money I have in my account on payday, since to be honest I might not make retirement, and my future pension isn’t going to put food on the table come week 3 of the month. We aren’t quite there, yet, but we have already had to cancel our TV package, we have to be mindful of energy use, our savings are gone, and we are having to cut back on everything. We have basically no disposable income.

We live in a two bed ex council, we have one car (not a new one) and we have only been abroad once since 2013.

Who said anything about ditching my partner or his salary? Not sure why you’d assume that I’d need to be a single parent to get universal credit?

The media reported it as a 27% pay rise, because they looked at the original probationers salary (£28k) to the new band 1 salary. Discounting the incremental rise that comes from moving from a probationer to a full qualified teacher. Ridiculous.

WineDup
NMW have been offered a 9.68% pay rise
But we haven’t - we have been offered 5%

If you worked full time, your salary would rise from £42,336 per annum to £44,453 per annum - (you are at the top of the pay scale - is that correct?)

My employers pension contribution is irrelevant; I’m speaking about the money I have in my account on payday, since to be honest I might not make retirement, and my future pension isn’t going to put food on the table come week 3 of the month

In that case - can you opt out of the pension scheme and reduce your pension contributions by half in an alternative scheme?

Who said anything about ditching my partner or his salary? Not sure why you’d assume that I’d need to be a single parent to get universal credit?

How much is your household income?

Winedup please don’t give Clav any personal details, she has a very nasty habit of using them against people.

Okay - but I don’t work full-time, so I’m not sure why that’s relevant? We have no acceptable pay offer on the table.

Opting out of the pension scheme is something we are probably going to need to look into, and I have already had a chat with the pension company to this effect. We are okay right now as I say, but with COL increases we aren’t far from it not being okay.

I don’t feel the need to tell you my partners exact salary but I will say he earns under the income tax threshold. I’m the main earner.

It’s okay, they apparently know all about me anyway 😂😂

Clav is still here? I thought she might be worn out by now after 7 years of attempting to defend Brexit.

She likes to mix it up to keep it fresh.. The other day she was attempting to defend Zahawi.

Hahaaaa wow. I guess some people have no limits to their shame.

WineDup
I don’t feel the need to tell you my partners exact salary but I will say he earns under the income tax threshold. I’m the main earner

You have posted some elaborate (and somewhat nonsensical) calculations and musings on this thread - trying to prove that teachers would be better off financially in minimum wage jobs - and now you reveal that both adults in your household work part-time.

noblegiraffe
Winedup please don’t give Clav any personal details

If you think you would be better off in a minimum wage job noble - stop moaning on here and go for it!

She likes to mix it up to keep it fresh.. The other day she was attempting to defend Zahawi

I think you said he belonged in prison - you also implied that staff at HMRC and the National Crime Agency were corrupt because they let him off lightly.

NocturnalClocks
Clav is still here? I thought she might be worn out by now after 7 years of attempting to defend Brexit

Are you prone to exaggeration as well? Let me guess - you work 90 hours a week and every day during the summer holidays? I doubt I posted anything regarding Brexit prior to at least mid 2018 - I could have voted either way in 2016.

How is the EU corruption scandal going by the way ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64306691

My personal approach would be to offer teachers earning up to £50,000 a 5% increase. I would offer the unions a pay freeze for those on higher salaries in return for a 7.5 % award for the lowest paid.

I would give the unions until January 31 to accept the above and call of strikes. Should the offer not be accepted, I would be imposing a pay freeze for the next financial year (due to the improving inflation situation) and briefing the media about unions demanding pay rises for headteachers on £100k.

Yes, well thankfully you're not in charge.

So you want to offer lower than the current government offer of 8.9% for those on the lowest rungs of the pay scale?

But then they would be even further from meeting their manifesto pledge to raise teacher starting salaries to £30k. (The 8.9% brings them to £28k, so still missing their target by £2k).

You haven’t looked at the details before spouting off, have you?

Also, headteachers are generally not in the NEU but the ASCL or NAHT, neither of which currently have strikes planned. So if you’re briefing the media you might want to get that right.

To be honest, your father sounds lazy as hell and I am very pleased he isn't teaching any of my children.