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WTF have I just read?

127 replies

unclebuck · 17/01/2023 21:56

I am fully prepared to accept I am misreading this and ABU:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11644925/Man-44-inappropriately-touched-murder-victim-16-hid-remains-bush.html
I understand that Amber Gibson, 16 was murdered by her brother Conor Gibson, 20. Her body was then discovered and indecently touched by Stephen Corrigan, 44 Both men were in custody but Corrigan has now been granted bail as he is needed to CARE FOR A 16 YEAR OLD BOY!!! Please tell me I am misunderstanding in some massive way? They can't be releasing a man who assaulted a girls body and allowing him anywhere near a child can they?

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tillytown · 18/01/2023 01:51

GodspeedJune · 18/01/2023 00:55

I find innocent until proven otherwise cold comfort given the lack of justice in most sexual crimes.

Same. Ignore the mra, your comment wasn't crass at all

Whydidimarryhim · 18/01/2023 01:53

It wouldn’t surprised me if he killed himself. He isn’t actually able to “care” for anyone is he - he’s a deeply horrible human being who abused many women - he will be beaten in prison - he’s a coward - he will do what many of these men do when they have to face the consequences. I really hope social services are all over this - the child he’s going back to will need longer term care anyway. I hope the fucker doesn’t decide to end the child’s life too.

Glorianna · 18/01/2023 01:59

Streamside · 17/01/2023 22:50

Horrific, the poor girl was in a children's home. The judge doesn't know why this person has a relationship with a young boy but is prepared to give him bail to allow him to continue the contact.

It seems she had parents (an article says they changed their Facebook profiles to pictures of Amber) and one elder sister at least. I wonder why she was in a children’s home? It’s sad that even there she wasn’t safe from her brother.

Just when you thought men couldn’t get any scummier.

I wonder why there are pictures of Amber, her parents, her sister etc plastered on articles but none of her brother accused of murder?

SilverBirchWithout · 18/01/2023 02:00

Presumably Amber, the 20 year old brother, and 16 year old boy are all siblings, and the 44 year old is their father/other relative, the elderly man is the grandfather.
The 16 year olds identity is being protected here.

Glorianna · 18/01/2023 02:02

Eyerollcentral · 18/01/2023 01:02

The legal system isn’t perfect. However the alternative is worse. It’s a bit crass of you to posit your point in relation to sexual crimes in particular as there was a prominent case last week or so where a woman was convicted of lying about a string of serious sexual offences of which she had accused a number of men. That is extremely rare but still it demonstrates the need for the presumption of innocence to prevail. It should be a comfort to you that the presumption of innocence should be preserved, no one knows when they may need to rely on it.

This is not the day to post your #NAMALT drivel. A man has been accused of murdering his sister and another man of assaulting her murdered body.

Men are scum.

Eyerollcentral · 18/01/2023 02:10

Glorianna · 18/01/2023 02:02

This is not the day to post your #NAMALT drivel. A man has been accused of murdering his sister and another man of assaulting her murdered body.

Men are scum.

Who said anything about NAMALT? I would never say anything along those lines. You are making massive, incorrect assumptions

Eyerollcentral · 18/01/2023 02:11

tillytown · 18/01/2023 01:51

Same. Ignore the mra, your comment wasn't crass at all

Mra? You couldn’t be further from the truth.

prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 07:49

GodspeedJune · 18/01/2023 01:10

My post is crass? Are you for real?

You’ve mentioned an extremely rare case, versus the pathetic conviction rate for rapists and sexual predators.

The poor conviction rate for rapists and sexual predators is nothing to do with the presumption of innocence. For cases that get to court the conviction rate is pretty good - around 70% of cases result in a conviction. The 6% figure for rapes that is often quoted is the proportion of reported rapes that result in a rape conviction. The vast majority of reported rapes never get to court, the main reason being complainants withdrawing their complaint. That is what we need to tackle if we want to see more sex offenders convicted, not weakening the presumption of innocence.

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:06

The judges comments are just so bizarre

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prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 08:10

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:06

The judges comments are just so bizarre

What in the judge's reported comments is it that you think is bizarre?

LizzieSiddal · 18/01/2023 08:19

Poor Amber, I feel sick reading what happened to her and it reminds me of the case of those poor sisters who were murdered in a London park and then police officers took photos of them.Angry.

What the actual fuck is wrong with some men?!!!!!

WineDup · 18/01/2023 08:40

prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 08:10

What in the judge's reported comments is it that you think is bizarre?

Also wondering this.

I interpret their comments as being very carefully worded to protect the identities of those involved, and possibly to prevent information pertinent to the trial from being made public until that point.

Michellebops · 18/01/2023 08:48

@ANonnyMouse1 💔❤️

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:50

prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 08:10

What in the judge's reported comments is it that you think is bizarre?

The judge said: 'I don't know what motivates you to see the boy.

'The man looking after the needs help with him and if it wasn't for that you would not be getting bail now.

This ☝If the judge does not know why this 44 year old who has interfered with a murdered child's body wants to see the boy, why is he releasing him to facilitate this?

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unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:51

Yes I understand that the strange wording is to protect identities. The "I don't know what motivates you to see the boy." seems to be a specific quote

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LizzieSiddal · 18/01/2023 08:51

Does anyone know if there is a complaints mechanism for someone being given bail?

WineDup · 18/01/2023 08:57

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:50

The judge said: 'I don't know what motivates you to see the boy.

'The man looking after the needs help with him and if it wasn't for that you would not be getting bail now.

This ☝If the judge does not know why this 44 year old who has interfered with a murdered child's body wants to see the boy, why is he releasing him to facilitate this?

It sounds like you are implying nefarious intent?

From reading the articles I think it’s fair to assume that the elderly man is not the parent of the 16 year old. It’s also fair to assume that the elderly man is caring for the child in an official capacity. They took advice from a “professional” who I would assume would be involved in the case of the 16 year old boy. That professional believes that the risk to the boy of losing that contact is greater than the risk of maintaining the contact. Perhaps (probably)based on information that we are not aware of.

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:59

I'm not implying anything - I'm asking for help understanding the weirdest new report I have ever read!

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prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 09:11

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 08:50

The judge said: 'I don't know what motivates you to see the boy.

'The man looking after the needs help with him and if it wasn't for that you would not be getting bail now.

This ☝If the judge does not know why this 44 year old who has interfered with a murdered child's body wants to see the boy, why is he releasing him to facilitate this?

Because the older man who looks after the boy needs help and the accused provides that help. The judge doesn't know why the accused chooses to help looking after this boy, however there is clearly no evidence that it is for nefarious purposes or bail would not have been granted. I don't find that at all bizarre.

Patineur · 18/01/2023 09:18

YABU to use the "What have I just read" trope. I always want to send people off for comprehension lessons when they write that.

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 09:20

prh47bridge · 18/01/2023 09:11

Because the older man who looks after the boy needs help and the accused provides that help. The judge doesn't know why the accused chooses to help looking after this boy, however there is clearly no evidence that it is for nefarious purposes or bail would not have been granted. I don't find that at all bizarre.

I do. I think that a man who interferes with the body of a dead 16 year old girl and choses to hide her body rather than inform the Police has shown he has no moral compass and no conscience. How can such a person be considered fit to look after a 16 year old with ADHD? It makes no sense whatsoever that this an can both have committed this crime and be considered a suitable carer.

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Patineur · 18/01/2023 09:21

Eyerollcentral · 18/01/2023 01:15

It is extremely dangerous for everyone in society to allow the presumption of innocence to be eroded, no matter how repellent the crime a person has been charged with. It is the cornerstone of our criminal legal system. That is what I am saying.

This.

Any of us, or anyone we love, could be on the wrong end of a horrific incorrect allegation. We would all be outraged if we didn't have the presumption of innocence as a starting point.

BluIsTheColour · 18/01/2023 09:21

Absolutely disgusting what he did and awful that they have given him bail!
Why would he be allowed out for this reason. Why would they let him care for any child at all. The child should be put in care if no family come forward to take them. Although it says he is staying with an elderly man.

Maybe he should have thought about what would happen to the child before committing this crime.

I don't live all that far from this area too, makes you sick.

Patineur · 18/01/2023 09:24

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 09:20

I do. I think that a man who interferes with the body of a dead 16 year old girl and choses to hide her body rather than inform the Police has shown he has no moral compass and no conscience. How can such a person be considered fit to look after a 16 year old with ADHD? It makes no sense whatsoever that this an can both have committed this crime and be considered a suitable carer.

You don't know what evidence was in front of the judge and are not in a position to form a reliable view on this. I'm prepared to bet that there is social services input in this situation and that there was a report from them, and it's not for the judge to override their views, particularly given that this man has not been convicted of anything.

The simple fact is that, by its nature, this is not a crime that the man is at substantial risk of committing if on bail with conditions, nor is it an offence that is likely to attract a custodial sentence. I don't think the judge had any choice but to grant bail.

unclebuck · 18/01/2023 09:25

Patineur · 18/01/2023 09:18

YABU to use the "What have I just read" trope. I always want to send people off for comprehension lessons when they write that.

Trope? Sorry but I don't get it? I don't understand the article and thought I was misreading it, no such luck unfortunately.

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