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To ask if schools will close on 1st Feb?

354 replies

cosied · 17/01/2023 14:36

National teachers strike on 1st Feb so does that mean the schools are not open that day?

Has anyone received any communication from their schools relating to what impact the strikes may have?

OP posts:
Loafbeginsat60 · 18/01/2023 07:51

MrsHamlet · 18/01/2023 07:33

The average train driver is in charge of a heavy metal object travelling at speed with people on board. They deserve every penny.

Yes but the train driver doesn’t spend years training or take his train home and work on it for hours. Nor does he take his train worries on holiday or run train clubs after work.
His train only has a few buttons not hundreds of different boxes to tick. He can lock his train door and not be assaulted or sworn at daily. He doesn’t have passengers calling him in the evening or demanding to know why their route isn’t quite what they expected….

FunctionalSkills · 18/01/2023 07:56

Loaf - looking even more appealing!

I jumped into Adult ed (even more poorly paid) but the amount we do outside if hours is insane. I think I need a new career. (Probably not train driving.) I wish I'd retrained earlier!

Oddgirlout · 18/01/2023 08:06

watchfulwishes · 17/01/2023 19:57

I was assuming they would put everyone on new flexible contracts so that ambulance drivers can cover for teachers, at weekends teachers can cover for train drivers and the train drivers can cover for ambulance workers.

I love this! Can you imagine careers advisors? ‘Have you considered the government’s new multi-career route? You can do all the professions with one nvq!’

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 18/01/2023 08:07

Loafbeginsat60 · 18/01/2023 07:51

Yes but the train driver doesn’t spend years training or take his train home and work on it for hours. Nor does he take his train worries on holiday or run train clubs after work.
His train only has a few buttons not hundreds of different boxes to tick. He can lock his train door and not be assaulted or sworn at daily. He doesn’t have passengers calling him in the evening or demanding to know why their route isn’t quite what they expected….

Oh please don't fall into the trap of worker v worker.

I know lots of train drivers. I know lots of teachers.

Both highly trained professions.

Stress and taking one's job home is a bit subjective, as train drivers can stress about their jobs also.

BananaBlue · 18/01/2023 08:35

Disclaimer : not a teacher, child not yet in sch but nursery will prob shut which will affect my work.

Just wanted to say thank you to those striking/supporting strikers.

the way I see it - T have decimated the public sector. These strikes are not just about wages, they are about resourcing & our services.

anyone against the constant decline should support most/all of these strikes.

When your heating packs in you fix it, this govt are doing the garden and giving household income to pals instead.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 18/01/2023 08:41

Yeah but they don't even steer it, MrsH, looks like a piece of piss.

So does teaching to a lot of people. They aren't right.

All the strikes at the moment are about roughly the same thing - the erosion of pay and conditions over the past 10 years. We are on the same side as the train drivers, nurses, paramedics etc.

noblegiraffe · 18/01/2023 08:58

So does teaching to a lot of people. They aren't right

yes, that was the joke.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 18/01/2023 09:20

Sorry, noblegiraffe, clearly I've had a sense of humour failure this morning.

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 09:30

There are nuances though, you can't club every worker together and say every single one deserves a 17% pay rise and all are equal - they are not.

Nurses clearly need a pay rise, but the train drivers ARE already earning so much money. I have no idea why they are striking, there salary is well above the average for a very basic job (it does not involve saving lives)

Teachers are just jumping on the bandwagon, anyone that holidays for half the year has the option of a second or third job.

The unions are trying to force this country to a standstill for political reasons as well as value for money for their contributors. In some cases - nurses and paramedics it is justified given the work they do, but for everyone else.
Chancers looking to rinse the hard working tax payers. The inflation will soar and everyone else will pay the price if the gov caves on this - which they won't, because they can't afford to. It is as simple as that.

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 09:30

*their salary is well

JimHensonWasAGenius · 18/01/2023 09:33

PuttingDownRoots · 17/01/2023 19:52

Have the Government suggested the Army covers for teachers yet?

TBH my DS would probably LOVE that!😀

YearoftheDrama · 18/01/2023 09:39

@Swissmountains you know the people striking are also the hard working tax payers, right?

But sure, let's make the people educating our children also take a summer job in a theme park or something. I mean that will definitely tempt people to join the profession. "Hi science graduate, would you like to use your degree teaching the next generation? Everyone will hate you and think you're a workshy loser and you'll need to get a second job in a holiday camp over the summer. But you'll get a warm fuzzy feeling from, umm, something. Or would you like to go and join this big consulting firm over here who'll pay you £150k a year?"

God it's a tough one isn't it? I can't imagine why all my physic graduate friends are now fund managers rather than teachers.

Loafbeginsat60 · 18/01/2023 09:46

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 18/01/2023 08:07

Oh please don't fall into the trap of worker v worker.

I know lots of train drivers. I know lots of teachers.

Both highly trained professions.

Stress and taking one's job home is a bit subjective, as train drivers can stress about their jobs also.

I don’t think you know lots of train drivers and lots of teachers…. One or two maybe.

But I’m sure your opinion is valid too!

SleepingStandingUp · 18/01/2023 09:49

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 09:30

There are nuances though, you can't club every worker together and say every single one deserves a 17% pay rise and all are equal - they are not.

Nurses clearly need a pay rise, but the train drivers ARE already earning so much money. I have no idea why they are striking, there salary is well above the average for a very basic job (it does not involve saving lives)

Teachers are just jumping on the bandwagon, anyone that holidays for half the year has the option of a second or third job.

The unions are trying to force this country to a standstill for political reasons as well as value for money for their contributors. In some cases - nurses and paramedics it is justified given the work they do, but for everyone else.
Chancers looking to rinse the hard working tax payers. The inflation will soar and everyone else will pay the price if the gov caves on this - which they won't, because they can't afford to. It is as simple as that.

So teachers holiday for 26 weeks a year, my son is in school for 39. Who the f* is teaching him for those 13 weeks whilst I think he's with a teacher?? 🤯🤯

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 09:53

Teaching is a wonderful profession, my nieces are teachers. They go travelling for 10 weeks a year, they have bought houses in London, and are doing really really well.

If they want to, they can take on extra work as tutors and no other profession in the world offers that much holiday.

My heart is with the paramedics and nurses. We can't pay everyone everything so we need to prioritise.
Our nurses did not sit in the garden for months on end in the pandemic they were saving lives and dealing with huge waves of covid, which left them terrified to go home to their children in some cases.

We can't pay everyone huge salaries. It is just ridiculous.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 18/01/2023 09:55

Loafbeginsat60 · 18/01/2023 09:46

I don’t think you know lots of train drivers and lots of teachers…. One or two maybe.

But I’m sure your opinion is valid too!

Whatever, and not getting into a debate about my qualifications, but the issue is that train drivers being slagged off as less important than teachers.

Why do people do that?

Nurses, paramedics, teachers, train drivers are not opposing sides in a war.

But thanks for putting me straight about who I know and don't Hmm

noblegiraffe · 18/01/2023 10:01

Teachers are just jumping on the bandwagon, anyone that holidays for half the year has the option of a second or third job.

Or they can jump off the bandwagon and take an entirely different job to teaching, which is what many are doing.

To ask if schools will close on 1st Feb?
Loafbeginsat60 · 18/01/2023 10:06

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 18/01/2023 09:55

Whatever, and not getting into a debate about my qualifications, but the issue is that train drivers being slagged off as less important than teachers.

Why do people do that?

Nurses, paramedics, teachers, train drivers are not opposing sides in a war.

But thanks for putting me straight about who I know and don't Hmm

I don’t think they are any less important than any other profession. But thinking that a 50k salary for them is ok and despising teachers for wanting a fair wage doesn’t make sense. That’s my point.

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 10:10

I would sooner have teachers leaving in droves them nurses.
When it boils down to basics, we need a very good well paid health system, without that we are stuffed.

Education is secondary to life and limb care. If teachers can not recognise how deeply lucky they are to be well paid AND have so much holiday then that is their problem, they will get into the private sector in a normal job and make do with 4 weeks a year, paying huge childcare costs because we don't work school hours like the rest of us - working 8-6pm every single day with no break.

Some people seriously need to wake up, and see how fortunate they are.

Goldenbear · 18/01/2023 10:13

ilovemydogandmrobama2, being a Train Driver is not a 'profession'.

Swissmountains, I'm not a teacher but I do work in a secondary school occasionally as Data Protection Consultant in education. The office I work in during those times is hellish! The office itself is windowless, storage cupboard really due to lack of space but also no concern/time to think about working spaces like you would get in the private sector. Lots of shouting in the corridors, it appears to be a management of conflict that you need most as a teacher. No coffee that's decent in the staff room, the coffee and tea is locked up, the staffroom is dated and shabby. Once I'm out of there I can't wait, it is not just the salary I wouldn't imagine, the conditions to me are grim but I have worked in some amazing offices.

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 10:13

**than nurses

FunctionalSkills · 18/01/2023 10:15

@Swissmountains if teachers only worked 8-6 then averaged out they wouldn't have so much holiday.

They are working longer days during term time.

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 10:16

Goldenbear · 18/01/2023 10:13

ilovemydogandmrobama2, being a Train Driver is not a 'profession'.

Swissmountains, I'm not a teacher but I do work in a secondary school occasionally as Data Protection Consultant in education. The office I work in during those times is hellish! The office itself is windowless, storage cupboard really due to lack of space but also no concern/time to think about working spaces like you would get in the private sector. Lots of shouting in the corridors, it appears to be a management of conflict that you need most as a teacher. No coffee that's decent in the staff room, the coffee and tea is locked up, the staffroom is dated and shabby. Once I'm out of there I can't wait, it is not just the salary I wouldn't imagine, the conditions to me are grim but I have worked in some amazing offices.

Poor you, it sounds awful with the coffee being grim Confused
Your post is the perfect example of cosy entitlement complaining about such trivia.

Newsflash: many of us (professionals) work in much harsher conditions for much, much less, without complaining or striking, we also do not benefit from spending half the year on holiday!!

FunctionalSkills · 18/01/2023 10:16

And many many teachers are leaving for a nice boundaries 8-6 jobs. Which is part of the problem. We are hemorrhaging teachers at a rate of knotts. This is a huge problem for our future as it is important we actually educate our children. (Unless you subscribe to it only being important to educate the top 7% in private school of course.)

Swissmountains · 18/01/2023 10:20

FunctionalSkills · 18/01/2023 10:15

@Swissmountains if teachers only worked 8-6 then averaged out they wouldn't have so much holiday.

They are working longer days during term time.

Nope - my niece is home at 4.30pm every single day, she cycles in leisurely for 8.30am. I on the other hand get up at 5am, work until 6pm, still checking emails at 9pm and have 4 weeks holiday! Do the maths. She works with some of the toughest kids in the country, but she says it is worth it and lives for the holidays.

For her term times are demanding, but no more demanding than a prison officer, police officer, nurse on the A&E ward etc etc and they don't get all of that lovely extended holiday time over the whole summer do they?