That the police don't vet their officers

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And if not, why not?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461

Yes

And seemingly they ignored allegations and red flags

I don't think that is endemic in all Forces. The majority of Officers and staff are decent, hard working people, who are devastated at this monster's actions, and the Force's failings that let it happen over and over

And the ‘vetting’ is clearly completely pointless. Bit of domestic abuse? never mind lad. sexual assault? Try not to do that again son. accused of rape? Light duties for you! The police, especially the Met are jam packed with misogynist, sexist, homophobic arseholes. But all you ever hear from the apologists is that it’s just the odd bad apple. What crap.

No appeal unless info is wrong

@Flapjackquack your comment about those that don’t take part in racist/sexist behaviours being “complicit in turning a blind eye” is exactly the sort of blanket statement I was talking about, as well as being untrue. There are plenty of people who take issues to line management or PSD, and actively challenge shit behaviour. You are being very unfair.

Maybe some of the people criticising could volunteer as specials and help change the situation.

It's too much to expect police officers to behave decently, unless the people who criticise them join the specials? Is that what you're saying?

I was married to a police officer. He worked for one of the largest constabularies in the UK. The whole institution is rotten to the core. Many of them have absolutely stinking attitudes and have clearly joined for the power trip. Racism and misogyny is ingrained. Their attitude to most members of the public is awful. The bullying culture within is really awful too.

Statistically, they are more likely to be perpetrators of domestic violence. My ex turned abusive to me. He was sacked for gross misconduct too, unrelated to what he did to me.

After we split, I had to report him to the police multiple times. They were mostly useless. Which he knew. He knew he'd get away with what he was doing.

They actually need to improve the pay and conditions to attract better people. The conditions are atrocious, I'll concede that. But too many of them are borderline or actual criminals themselves and I have no trust or faith in them.

Vetting only works if you have been caught before.
Much more worrying is the attitudes displayed, the covering ups, the failures to act....

Actively encouraged to report colleagues
Including anonymously

And internal investigations are "balance of probability" not proof beyond a reasonable doubt as is afforded to criminals in court

I can't speak to what on earth happened- or didn't happen - in the met. But I can say most police officers and staff are decent and trustworthy

And if you are an individual that thinks otherwise, that's a tragedy

But think on next time someone here is asking for advice and you say "Report it to the police". It's a common response...

As Ted Hastings says (Line of Duty):

Catching criminals is hard enough but catching coppers - God give me strength

Yes the correlation between being a police officer (male) and domestic violence is higher than in the general male population.

Which rather suggests than the uniform should be regarded with caution. That man is more likely to abuse you in a relationship.

That was based on US police officers, but if you want to see how domestic abuse and the police is handled in the UK, you can read this. It is grim.

www.ft.com/content/9c4f8ad9-f781-4a3d-b2bc-61218231617a#comments-anchor

, I’m not deflecting anything, I’m just saying all public bodies have problems which need sorting,

my suggestion to you is to volunteer your time, so you can be one of the officers who don’t turn a blind eye snd actually do something positive rather than sit there criticising people who do a very difficult job and the vast vast majority of whom are good people. Why don’t you get off your arse and do something rather than moaning.

and people “like me” support the police, people like my DH who give their time for free, who have to listen to details of abuse, who get violently attacked, who suffer non-stop verbal abuse, who have to drag dead bodies from rivers, have to deal with people like you who hate the police until you need them, and you know what they will still help you, despite your hatred.

you know what, plumbers attack women, the rates of DV are even higher amongst other professions 1 in 10 amongst military personnel - do you hate them too?

you clearly have some major issue going on. You might want to seek help! People like you, with your vitriol put people like my DH in danger.

US Police culture is completely different.

NAPALT

The police force cover for offenders in their own ranks. They just do.

Except when they don’t.

@OMG12 - People who refuse to see the police need to change put the police in danger. The worse the police’s reputation gets, the more people will turn against them, the more dangerous their job will get.

The only issue I have going on when it comes to the police is being a woman who knows she will have better luck flagging down a bus driver than approaching a police officer for help or whatever that bizarre advice was.

Quite.

I didn’t say they always do, but it happens a LOT and for far too long. My sibling is a violent, abusive man. When I found out he joined the police force I reported my concerns, with evidence of times he’d broken my bones. They deemed it insufficient and because it happened when we were children it was swept under the rug. 15 years later he’s been in court for three episode of drunk driving lost his license twice, been on internal disciplinary procedures for excessive force in arrests and has only now been fired after beating his girlfriend to a pulp. It’s a farce.

If you look at the inquiry that investigated domestic abuse and the police, it was a mixed picture. But what mostly happened was that complaints were not advanced.

There is so much angst by women on domestic abuse, and yet... the enforcers are not really doing the paperwork when it may apply to them. For whatever reason.

People choose to be police officers knowing the nature of the job. What people don’t choose is to be abused by people who are meant to protect them. Don’t give the ‘they see horrible things’ excuse for abhorrent behaviour.

So, what do you suggest as a remedy, or an alternative?

My first boyfriend used to rape me repeatedly for years and stalk me , but so handsome charming talented . Emotionally abusive
i worry about his wife though. I Google her occasionally to see if she has left him and it comes up with folders of things she has saved on narcissists and abuse etc so I’m sure he’s doing it to her too .

jr was in the army now a met cid top bod
nasty piece of work

I agree with @Greenshake @OMG12 and others.
There are some wild and ridiculous generalisations on this thread.

I propose listening properly to concerns of victims of abuse.
I propose not letting police officers off with drunk driving charges THREE times.
I propose looking at histories of agressive, angry children who become violent angry teenagers are likely to become violent angry men.
I propose officers who have been pointed out as having violently apprehended suspects get looked at more closely.
I propose not letting men who’ve raped NINE women into the police force.

I think that would be a start, don’t you?

Nine allegations are proof of a pattern. Every allegation should be investigated thoroughly. If no clear proof of guilt then their personal file should be flagged. Too many flags, final written warning then dismissal.