That the police don't vet their officers

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And if not, why not?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64289461

That his colleague’s nickname for him was “Bastard” tells you everything you need to know about the deeply unpleasant nature of the Met. “Team”. They’ll stick up for each other no matter how disgusting the behaviour, and turn on any (normally women) team member who raises issues.

Fucking hell. I'm starting to think there must be teams of professional trolls on here. How could anyone with even a minute brain think that the police handled this as well as they could have?? They fucked it up, that's why Cressida Dick was sacked, we read today. What's more, there are 1000 outstanding allegations involving the met alone.

This is terrible. My exDH was an officer and after joining it brought out the worst in him. He became controlling and very sexist. The jokes between him and workmates were vile. It changed him for the worse. This doesn't always happen as I have relatives who remained decent. But some seem swayed by the power. Many are having affairs and generally deceitful.

Didnt think it would be long before I saw you post .

I don't understand why the CPS didn't think it was in the public interest for a trial when the first complaints came in.
And anyone that styles themselves as X the Bastard really doesn't belong in a position of authority

Well my DH is a special (not in the Met) and no one I have met is racist or sexist. But the shit they have deal with is unbelievable. Much of it is down to the failure of the NHS and social services to deal with mental illness.

out friend works for the Met he is none of those things either.

isolated incidents have clearly damaged trust between police and community - it’s not in anyone’s favour.

Presume your niece is white.....

I know it's not related but it's not exactly great timing that this has been revealed on the very same day they've announced more police powers to quash protests.

But @OMG12 that is a different issue, about client group, and doesn't excuse bad behaviour amongst officers.

Also it doesn't matter who knew or is related to a nice policeman or woman. This one wasn't, and management completely failed to either notice or get a grip of it. Terrible HR, to say the least- if it was ever mentioned to them.

Some while ago I heard a radio 4 programme about wives of policemen who had been abused. When they tried to report it, nothing happened! What a surprise. I thought Cressida Dick was useless, couldn't understand why she was appointed. This new man seems better.

Hats off also to the new police manager Ms Grey, who was "incredulous " that he wasn't re-vetted and suspended after some of the previous allegations. Apparently he was on the radar of police in Hertfordshire, Hampshire and Thames Valley. Did they talk to each other about possibly dodgy staff members?

There should be continual vetting whilst in the police - not just at the start

Apparently they are revetted every 10 years but that each force is responsible for vetting its own officers… for some reason I thought the Home Office did it. Well if each police force is vetting itself that explains a lot.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/police-vetting-how-it-works-and-calls-for-change/

Never forget when Holly and Jessica were murdered one of the officers on the case was charged with viewing child pornography.
What an awful double blow for the parents.
Some people are
Disgusting.
Can't get my head around a married policeman like Wayne Couzens who also had children doing what he did, knowing there was a chance he'd lose his wife and kids.
Would he like it if someone murdered his daughter.
He hated women but he had a wife and kids.

isolated incidents have clearly damaged trust between police and community - it’s not in anyone’s favour.

It's not isolated incidents though is it. In this case they are claiming "missed opportunities", how many women have to complain about one officer before you start to think maybe we should investigate?

There are multiple examples of officers sending revolting messages via WhatsApp groups, what is the culture like in the police force that any of them thinks that this is OK and how protected do they feel to be so confident those messages won't come back to bite them.

Wayne Couzens previous indecent exposure wasn't enough to get him suspended pending an investigation, his nickname was the rapist.

uk.news.yahoo.com/met-police-chief-mark-rowley-admits-not-allowed-sack-criminal-police-officers-110958153.html

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/80-percent-of-uk-police-accused-of-domestic-abuse-kept-jobs-figures-show

In addition to which the police seem to have an extraordinary amount of time to bully people for saying "mean things" on social media if the complaint comes from an especially protected group but doesn't appear to do anything about rape/death threats or the sharing of child abuse images.

They have turned themselves into a joke and a real cause for concern for women. They need to get back to policing by consent, according to the law of the land and without fear or favour.

Pretty much nobody can trust the police.

Unless you're rich and/or famous, then they'll do everything in their power to catch and prosecute the person who wrongs you or go to the ends of the earth to cover things up, depending on the situation.

This article gives more background, but it's harrowing reading and not for those of a sensitive disposition.

Carrick case

The man's a hate-filled thug.

Has the vetting process for joining the police changed since the 1980's ? I only ask because I knew someone who tried to join the Met in the 1980's and he didn't pass the vetting process. He failed because his sister was married to someone who had a police record. So, in effect, he failed because his brother-in-law was a bit dodgy. I thought that was a bit unfair at the time.

My aunty was in an abusive relationship with a police officer for twenty years. When the kids were asleep he used to drag her out the house by the hair and put her in his police car and drive at speed while ranting and screaming at her. All to terrify her. He was clever enough not to hit her. He was the most emotionally abuse person though. She finally left him in 2005. And he stalked her for years. She reported it so many times. The abuse and the stalking. And nothing was ever done. He’s still at large and occasionally pops up to scare her. Like at her own mums funeral 😔
Thing is he was charm personified and ever her parents and sister didn’t believe her. And emotional abuse wasn’t recognised then.
Funnily enough though she was approached by a kind policeman who told her some of his plans and warned her to be careful. But even he said he wouldn’t give a statement against him because he was too scared!!!

No one can trust the police.

I would always record any interaction with them. Always.

Not given him a job in the first place. He had two allegations of sexual assault when he applied to the Met. Though not proven, an employer is not obliged to give you a job just because you ask for it. Particularly not one where you are in a position of authority and trust and there are question marks over you are a fit person.

The allegations continued including six complaints over five years of misconduct, one involving excessive force from members of the public who luckily weren't going out with him but had the misfortune to meet him in the commission of his duties. Two of these complaints were upheld to some extent (I think that means words were spoken and he was told not to do it again) and yet after that the Met gave him a gun. Complaints continued but they let him keep it.

I feel things should have been done, don't you?

This case is obviously awful and a huge fuck up. But allegations are just that- allegations. They get made against the police on a regular basis because they aren't well liked. Look at Chris kaba. Notice how the family alleged gross misconduct but quietly disappeared after they had been shown the bodyworn? Did anyone watch BBC news night with the woman who accused a couple of officers of racism resulting in a gross misconduct allegation? She said they didn't take her seriously because she was black and they were racist to her. The BBC didn't then backtrack when the videos came out on YouTube of her starting the fight and smashing a wine bottle at some poor girl sat in a car... the media teaches us to hate the police, and sometimes there are obvious reasons to hate individual officers. But the more respect they lose, the less powers they have, will increase the crime rate more than it already has. And all of you guys complaining will be the ones crying when they didn't stop and search the guy that stabbed your loved one because its "inhumane" and a "breach of their rights".

Never trust the police my ex has been arrested for sex offences and domestic violence against women and children his girlfriend found out and did a clairs law disclosure (which should have bought up his arrests as they are all similar) he bragged to me on the phone he had a mate who was "dealing" with it and requested that I spoke to his girlfriend to confirm I had no issues with him (I have a LOT of issues with him)

I offered to tell her everything surprisingly he didn't take me up on the offer and they are still together

They’ll protect their own. A lot are Freemasons.