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Furries in IKEA

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user19888891 · 16/01/2023 07:17

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-ikea-shoppers-confused-after-25983306?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Am I the only one who thinks this isn’t appropriate? Surely it’s no more appropriate to be naked in public than to walk around dresses up for a sex game? Do IKEA have a responsibility to safeguard their young guests?

I was particularly taken aback by this paragraph ;
‘Although many think it is a sexual fetish more often than not dressing up like animals is a fun escape for a community of people who enjoy expressing themselves in this way.’
is this true? I’ve never heard of this being done in a non sexual manner

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Helleofabore · 16/01/2023 12:34

BordoisAgain · 16/01/2023 12:28

Oh dear...

It is hilarious isn’t it?

when you see it, you cannot unsee it .

There is something about transgressing boundaries that is so very attractive to some people that even getting women to explain things they feel uncomfortable explaining can be the motivation .

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:34

BordoisAgain · 16/01/2023 12:31

Cool story bro

I know! It’s a cool story.

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 12:35

Kucinghitam · 16/01/2023 12:12

To any undecided lurkers: Do you think it is silly, hysterical, prudish, etc, to object to men getting sexual thrills from non-consenting people?

Yes, incredibly so, but most know the deal with AIBU and that it swings prudish and ott.

Helleofabore · 16/01/2023 12:36

Emotionalsupportviper · 16/01/2023 12:23

Apologies - I just skimmed early posts and didn't realise that you'd posted a link to that abomination.

No worries. Keep on posting it.

My point is how it was completely ignored. Like it isn’t part of the same issue of normalising sexual fetishes to children.

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 12:36

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:21

There is something deeply wrong with seeing the entire world as there for your sexual gratification.

Yes. And getting off on non-consensual participation is particularly grim.

Wouldn't that go for low cut tops or men in tight jeans etc?

Servalan · 16/01/2023 12:36

Those are not furries.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:36

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 12:31

Yes a dare or as GS says "Consequences" so if you miss an open goal you get a "consequence" which is usually going out and doing something stupid.

I suppose it depends how your mind works.

Yes, to most people the sexual element is not understood.

If you wanted to find one of these masks, do you know where you would look or how you would find one?

Have you ever googled 'pup play'?

(Just a caution that doing so will throw up some NSFW links.)

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 16/01/2023 12:38

Emotionalsupportviper · 16/01/2023 11:52

This ⬆

If someone wishes to surrender their own rights, that's their business - but they don't have any right to surrender mine, or my children's or anyone else's but their own.

Hear, hear.

If anyone on here is completely happy to be used as an unconsenting participant in the sexual behaviour and fetishes of others, then of course it’s your perfect right to feel that way on your own account. Although it does suggest very poor boundaries - which may be the result of having your own boundaries repeatedly violated, or potentially an interest in violating the boundaries of others.

But even if neither a history of abuse nor an intent to exploit others is present, and your views are simply your deeply held and cherished beliefs, the only person you can consent for is you.

Why do some of you demonstrate this urge to do away with the right of others to feel differently from you?

Why do some of you want to control how others respond?

Why do you feel entitled to impose your way of feeling about things on others who feel differently?

Why this attack on the right of others to withhold consent, this suggestion that there is something morally inferior about people who do want to maintain solid boundaries in these situations, this attempt to denigrate the concept of safeguarding and acceptable standards of public behaviour?

I wonder what could be the motivation behind that?

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 16/01/2023 12:38

Catonlapfireon · 16/01/2023 07:29

Complete lack of public decency- getting their kicks from non consenting others.

I'm left wondering what will they do next.
We all know it's the kick that they want, so when going out publicly dressed like this no longer gives them the thrill as it won't (as we know) how will they get the next thrill? Sex in public? And when that no longer is thrilling?
Dont get me wrong I'm against all paraphillias being played out in public, my granddaughter's dont need to see this, but yeah, where do they go from this.

roarfeckingroarr · 16/01/2023 12:39

@EastLondonObserver that's nice. I assume no children were present? So really not the same thing.

Why are so many people so keen to expose children to men's sexual kinks? Just why is this boundary blurring acceptable / a good thing? Who gains?

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:39

ancientgran · 16/01/2023 12:36

Wouldn't that go for low cut tops or men in tight jeans etc?

You mean, would someone wearing for example tight jeans be involving an onlooker in non-consensual sexual activity? It depends on their intent. The specific trousers/clothing aren't the issue, the intent and the response/activity are the issue.

Just as with a flasher, the macintosh used isn't the issue, but the desire to shock/confuse/upset/anger/garner a response from the onlooker.

DarkShade · 16/01/2023 12:40

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:33

If you can’t define the terms of your argument, you don’t have one.

You’re just dog whistling.

No pun intended, I'm sure!

I don't need to define the term more precisely, because any interpretation of the sentence "getting off to children in public" is unacceptable. Actively masturbating, merely imagining it, videoing the children for later, wearing your sex gear and feeling sexually gratified that children are seeing you in it. You name the least offensive way of spelling out that sentence, and it's wrong. The fact that this needs saying is precisley the 'eroding of boundries' that people on here are protesting against, in addition to the non-consensual act done to the individuals present.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:42

If anyone on here is completely happy to be used as an unconsenting participant in the sexual behaviour and fetishes of others, then of course it’s your perfect right to feel that way on your own account.

That's granting consent, which would negate the 'unconsenting' part.

The entirety of these issues rests on the non-consent of onlookers. That's what makes it attractive to paraphiliacs; that's what makes it offensive and wrong.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 12:42

You know I almost had to laugh at the poster who made the 'you're just prudish' comment. Cause it is the exact choice of phrase my abusive ex used whenever i objected to being involved in things i didn't want to do. It is like they all read from the same playbook. And of course neither have nothing to do with prudishness in any sense when you know what the term means in reality.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 16/01/2023 12:43

ElfandSafety101 · 16/01/2023 12:35

Yes, incredibly so, but most know the deal with AIBU and that it swings prudish and ott.

So you’re a men’s sexual rights activist, ElfandSafety101?

You're literally happy to go on record saying you think it’s silly, hysterical and prudish to object to men getting sexual thrills from non-consenting people?

You seem to be saying that men getting their sexual thrills as and when they choose is the most important thing for society to prioritise. More important than safeguarding children, than respecting the right of others not to be unconsenting fodder for these men’s sexual thrills.

Is that your position?

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 16/01/2023 12:44

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:42

If anyone on here is completely happy to be used as an unconsenting participant in the sexual behaviour and fetishes of others, then of course it’s your perfect right to feel that way on your own account.

That's granting consent, which would negate the 'unconsenting' part.

The entirety of these issues rests on the non-consent of onlookers. That's what makes it attractive to paraphiliacs; that's what makes it offensive and wrong.

Yes, of course you’re right.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:44

Of course. 'Prude' used as an insult. Often followed by accusations that only those with minds preoccupied with sex would suspect a sexual motivation.

Feminists have the power to be both prudish and prurient at the same time. Amazing.

picklemewalnuts · 16/01/2023 12:46

So in the run up to Christmas can I go to Ikea wearing this?

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:46

roarfeckingroarr · 16/01/2023 12:39

@EastLondonObserver that's nice. I assume no children were present? So really not the same thing.

Why are so many people so keen to expose children to men's sexual kinks? Just why is this boundary blurring acceptable / a good thing? Who gains?

It was nice! Some cracking MDMA.

It’s weird everyone is exclusively associating BDSM with men. There’s loads of women in that community.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:46

If you can't fulfil your sexual urges without involving the non-consent of others, seek help.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:46

picklemewalnuts · 16/01/2023 12:46

So in the run up to Christmas can I go to Ikea wearing this?

Yes you can.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:47

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:46

It was nice! Some cracking MDMA.

It’s weird everyone is exclusively associating BDSM with men. There’s loads of women in that community.

Paraphilias are almost exclusively confined to males.

BDSM doesn't necessarily involve paraphilias, although there is overlap.

BDSM when practised sensibly is absolutely firm on practises being 'safe, sane and consensual'.

EastLondonObserver · 16/01/2023 12:48

DarkShade · 16/01/2023 12:40

No pun intended, I'm sure!

I don't need to define the term more precisely, because any interpretation of the sentence "getting off to children in public" is unacceptable. Actively masturbating, merely imagining it, videoing the children for later, wearing your sex gear and feeling sexually gratified that children are seeing you in it. You name the least offensive way of spelling out that sentence, and it's wrong. The fact that this needs saying is precisley the 'eroding of boundries' that people on here are protesting against, in addition to the non-consensual act done to the individuals present.

You didn’t mention “in public” before - you’ve just added that. Nice try.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 12:49

ELO, 'getting off to children' is not acceptable. Public or not.

sillybillyboo1 · 16/01/2023 12:50

roarfeckingroarr · 16/01/2023 12:39

@EastLondonObserver that's nice. I assume no children were present? So really not the same thing.

Why are so many people so keen to expose children to men's sexual kinks? Just why is this boundary blurring acceptable / a good thing? Who gains?

The men. Though always boggles my mind the amount of women thinking they will ever gain anything from it by nodding along.

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