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To think Mil is batshit and if I am unreasonable going low contact?

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UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 07:52

For family members birthdays she contacts dh to make sure he sends cards and presents. Sometimes she even tries to pick the present he should get or tell him how much he should spend. She will contact dh many times reminding him and double checking he has done it.She does this if he goes to a friends wedding as well. This is the same for sending people flowers or than you cards. We were too busy to send thank you cards for gifts within a week after the birth of our son so she sent a pack of thank you cards in the post, telling us when we must send them.

She tries to control all family events and holidays. Dh would always have to visit at Christmas time and he has to stay for a bare minimum of 2 nights. When I would go to her house for Christmas she told dh I need to talk to other family members more, and I need to make an effort on Christmas day and dress up and wear make-up. You also would get woken up at 7am and told to come to living room in your pyjamas to open presents. It was because Sil wanted people to watch her open presents mostly. Maybe I am over thinking but it felt like the whole day was controlled. For years it was always us going there for Christmas and boxing day. When we got our first house, the first time we were going to spend it with my parents her reply was "but it could be your grandmothers last Christmas". Emotional blackmail is very common if you don't do what she wants. She tried to pick out the place we have our wedding meal at. She told my DH the maximum amount he should spend on my engagement ring. Even demanding to know how much we were going to donate at my sons Christening at the church in front of everyone.

She does this for family news as well, telling him to text or call friends or family about things. Like you must call so and so to tell them about such and such. Or telling dh that he must send our wedding and christening invites / information to people by a certain time. Or that we must announce the birth on facebook. She even told DH who to send our baby scan pictures to.

It feels like she thinks she can control every aspect of his/ our lives and treats us like we are incapable children. She didn’t want us to have a baby and told DH "I hope your not trying for a baby". When DH told her I was pregnant she was almost in tears on the phone asking how will we cope. She was also very against me breastfeeding. For the first month after having dc she would ring almost every day asking if I was still breastfeeding, as well as giving unsolicited advice and pointing out the obvious. She also came into my bedroom when I was trying to breastfeed and she told me “its just so difficult, there is really no shame in giving up”. She told dh if I stop breastfeeding she will buy him a perfect prep machine telling my husband “my friend started formula feeding and they and baby were much happier”. When we have decided I will be a sahm because of the cost of travel and childcare. MIL told DH I should just work because I need a job and even tried to bribe him by saying she will pay for part of nursery as my son will be better off in nursery. One weekend we said she couldn't visit because I was really ill with an infection. Because she couldn't visit that weekend she was shouting at DH over the phone saying "I'm just trying to help", and then she didn't visit for months and just sent texts implying we were stopping her from seeing her grandchild. She also looked for any minor excuse to try to blame him or scold him for something for months.
She tries to pick out different jobs for dh and even links him jobs. She got dh's step father to tell him its nice he enjoys his job but he should be earning more to support his family (we are financially fine and have never asked them for money). The jobs she picks out don't even pay much better. They are just a lot closer to her (we might even be worse off as the house prices are more expensive in that area). When we were were moving in together and DH was buying a house dh's step father sent an email to both of us insinuating I might be a gold digger so be careful, and make sure we both do what is right. If he puts on a little weight, she tells him he needs to walk to work (5 miles away), only have 1 meal a day, asks if he is eating to much junk food, and when she visits touches his belly and makes comments.

She wants to know everything. Even asking dh what vaginal exams I was having after giving birth, my own mother would not ask or want to know that.
My son has had a language delay and behaviour issues since the age of 1. She would constantly insinuate it was our fault asking things like are we even talking to him and pointing out his behaviour is not normal. One time commenting don't you even know your own age in an almost mocking way when he could not answer. He has since been diagnosed as being autistic. Since his diagnosis we have not had an apology for behaviour. She is fact denies she said any of it and uses emotional blackmail saying things like “how can you think that of me, an I wont tell step Fil that you think that of me”. She will lie and deny a lot of the things I'm saying here or say “I’m just trying to help”.

Over the years I have went more low contact and asked dh to stop sharing so information, especially about me. Because of this I am the black sheep of the family and seen as always being unreasonable by the family.

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Calphurnia88 · 14/01/2023 16:48

How is their relationship?

I meant her relationship with your DC (her GC). Apologies I thought you had the one DS but can see you have 2 DC.

I ask because going LC/NC is more extreme (in my opinion, anyway) when grandchildren are involved.

imjustanerd · 14/01/2023 17:07

Yep my mil was like this, drove me absolutely crazy and made me very anxious. I come from a very laid back family and just couldn't get used to the constant intrusion.

I had to go very low contact for my own mental health as dp was quite useless dealing with her and enabling fil.

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 14/01/2023 17:09

I would really struggle with a husband allowing his mother to control him/us/our family like that. You are absolutely right to have boundaries with her. She’s sounds bloody hard work!!

Has your husband spoken to anyone, like a friend, about his relationship with his mum. I wonder if an outside perspective would help.

Thing is family dynamics and patterns of behaviour and become so ingrained and normalised it be be hard for people in toxic families to see the wood for the trees.

UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 18:18

I meant her relationship with your DC (her GC) she is a very uninterested grandmother. When she visits she rarely interacts with them and mostly just talks to dh the whole time. Especially since my son does not act the way she wants due to his autism. Even dh has said he thinks she is not a good grandmother

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ANiceBigCupOfTea · 14/01/2023 18:23

For the first part, up to the thank you cards I thought she was maybe trying to do good and just a bit OTT with it all but flip me that woman sounds massively controlling.
Your DH needs to step up here and assert boundaries.

Calphurnia88 · 14/01/2023 19:07

UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 18:18

I meant her relationship with your DC (her GC) she is a very uninterested grandmother. When she visits she rarely interacts with them and mostly just talks to dh the whole time. Especially since my son does not act the way she wants due to his autism. Even dh has said he thinks she is not a good grandmother

Ah OK... More reason in that case to go LC.

5128gap · 14/01/2023 19:27

I'd have nothing more to do with her and stop seeing her as any of my concern.
She's your husband's mother and its up to him to do as he sees fit regarding her, provided he doesn't involve you, or divulge your private business to her.

BMrs · 14/01/2023 20:04

I too have a lunatic MIL, the only difference is my husband knows it too. We have gone low contact but keep the relationship there for our boys as they adore her and she is great with them and she they don't have any other hands on grandparents.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 15/01/2023 00:37

I would be considering moving to the other end of the country from her. And if she visits she must stay in a hotel. She sounds terrible. I'd block her too xx

OriginalUsername2 · 15/01/2023 02:07

Hello fellow black sheep! Honestly, embrace it. Less drama, more free time. Less control, more autonomy. In my experience , black sheep are the truth tellers amongst dysfunctional families. The families can’t deal with them so make them the bad guy.

JudgeRudy · 15/01/2023 03:46

Well I seriously doubt you'll teach an old dog new tricks now. She probably does believe she's being 'helpful'. I think ghe solution here is low contact and let nature take its course. I really do think your husband should be leading on this though, so everytime an inappropriate remark is made, cut it dead and say '"we've had the discussion before. I won't say it again. STOP!"...if she continues then remove yourselves, so either terminate the call, ask her to leave or grab your coat.
She may never take the hint though but doesn't sound like anyone would miss out if she wasn't in your family's life.

Ravenrobin309 · 15/01/2023 19:22

Wow I could have wrote this myself.
My MIL would stop visiting or contacting for months and would tell people we stopped her from seeing the kids.

Well not we finally have. It was unhealthy for her to keep wondering in and out my daughter life and toxic. It was unfair her treated me poorly and trying to control everything.

CantTrampoline · 15/01/2023 22:51

She sounds EXACTLY like my mother. Pretty much everything you have written, I could have written myself. I have been NC for 3 years and it is bliss. It's the only way to deal with a narcissist.

UsernameTalk · 16/01/2023 06:17

OriginalUsername2 you are definitely right. And even if you do what they want it is never enough. There is always more demands and you are seen as being unreasonable or awkward if you don't go along with all of them. It got to a point where it felt like the only thing I could decide on Christmas day was when I could use the bathroom until I finally just put my foot down. So you might as well just embrace being the black sheep and do what you want.

think your husband should be leading on this though its difficult to get him to go along with it. He has put up with his mum's behaviour and went along with it for so long. We have had so many arguments about his mother, it is probably the main thing we have arguments about.

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UsernameTalk · 16/01/2023 06:20

CantTrampoline it's hard to get dh to realise this. He doesn't think she has narcissistic personality disorder but I definitely think it is. What made you realise and decide to go NC?

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HaroldeVwilliam · 16/01/2023 07:08

@Throwncrumbs

Me too. Id love here their sound justification on why it's necessary to tell her son he shouldn't be trying for a child/ interfering with breastfeeding/calling her a gold digger/and many other things. However in particular I'd like to know their justification on asking after vaginal exams?

HaroldeVwilliam · 16/01/2023 07:11

@UsernameTalk where are you allowed to drink tea

HaroldeVwilliam · 16/01/2023 07:25

All those saying her DH should step up. .yes absolutely.

But doesn't anyone wonder what he is like after living with this level of overbearing control.

Op you could suggest relate and have a third party tell him how they see if

UsernameTalk · 16/01/2023 10:09

where are you allowed to drink tea the dining table only.

Id love here their sound justification on why it's necessary to tell her son he shouldn't be trying for a child My theory is that she can't stand to see him as an adult and having a child means he might have more ties/ loyality to his new family (me and his children) than old family (her and his siblings). Also will mean maybe less time and more difficult to visit her and do what she wants when you have babies and toddlers.
interfering with breastfeeding not sure maybe jealousy because she was unable to breastfeed, or doesn't want me to have that bond with my baby or it means he could never visit her with the baby without me if I am breastfeeding maybe.
calling her a gold digger not sure but she is obsessed with money and how much people earn. She asks how much dh earns and says he needs to earn more, get a promotion or new job etc. I have never told dh this. She is more concerned with how much dh earns that I am. She is very concerned about how much Sil's (her daughter) boyfriends earn. Mil is happy with Sil's current boyfriend because he is richer than the previous ones. It is funny because Mil and Sil are both far more interested in how much her partner/ boyfriend earns and money than I am. She also always goes on about how much things cost or asks you how much you spend on things.

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CantTrampoline · 16/01/2023 11:28

UsernameTalk · 16/01/2023 06:20

CantTrampoline it's hard to get dh to realise this. He doesn't think she has narcissistic personality disorder but I definitely think it is. What made you realise and decide to go NC?

It wasn't until I became a mother, and was around other mums that I realised her behaviour wasn't normal. It will be really hard for your husband to see her behaviour for what it is, as it is normal for him (as it was for me). For me,her behaviour got gradually worse the more independent I became and didn't agree with, or do what she wanted. I didn't realise she was narcissistic for years. It was only when i googled the traits that i realsed she ticked every box. I finally lost my shit with her a few years ago and haven't had any contact since. She keeps trying to send letters etc, but they go straight in the bin. And since being NC I can see even more clearly just how toxic she is. X

plg · 16/01/2023 11:42

For those of you who've gone LC or NC how did you manage this, did you just slowly phase contact out? Do the MIL's ever question this?

After years of being upset by my MIL I've gone
NC for a few months, she invited us over last week & I wouldn't go. I do not want to have a confrontation with her about why me & DS are not coming to visit.

OP - your doing the right thing she sounds very difficult.

Hoppinggreen · 16/01/2023 11:44

plg · 16/01/2023 11:42

For those of you who've gone LC or NC how did you manage this, did you just slowly phase contact out? Do the MIL's ever question this?

After years of being upset by my MIL I've gone
NC for a few months, she invited us over last week & I wouldn't go. I do not want to have a confrontation with her about why me & DS are not coming to visit.

OP - your doing the right thing she sounds very difficult.

How can you have a confrontation if you are NC?
Just completely ignore or at most refer her to your DH

smileladiesplease · 16/01/2023 12:09

She sounds as nutty as squirrel poo! Block her phone and let dh visit her alone if he wants to. For your sanity stay away

UsernameTalk · 16/01/2023 12:31

For me,her behaviour got gradually worse the more independent I became and didn't agree with, or do what she wanted This is the same for us, she has got worse after we got married and we had children. They can't seem to stand their children being independant free thinking adults.

For those of you who've gone LC or NC how did you manage this, did you just slowly phase contact out? Do the MIL's ever question this? It started with me putting my foot down with dh about not spending every Christmas day, new year and easter with Mil. Then not letting her visit every time she wants when it is not convenient for us. Then telling him to stop sharing personal information about me. There has been many arguments about this with dh. She keeps trying to use emotional blackmail to get what she wants and keeps telling dh I am unreasonable. You are going to be the black sheep of the family when you stand up to them and go LC or NC. But unless you give in to all their demands they will think you are the unreasonable one so you may as well be the black sheep and do what you want and not let a controlling loon try to control your life.

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Grammarnut · 08/10/2023 23:33

She's a controller. Quite wrong about breastfeeding, too (and none of her business, either). So sorry you have such a crap MIL. Go as LC as you can.