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To think Mil is batshit and if I am unreasonable going low contact?

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UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 07:52

For family members birthdays she contacts dh to make sure he sends cards and presents. Sometimes she even tries to pick the present he should get or tell him how much he should spend. She will contact dh many times reminding him and double checking he has done it.She does this if he goes to a friends wedding as well. This is the same for sending people flowers or than you cards. We were too busy to send thank you cards for gifts within a week after the birth of our son so she sent a pack of thank you cards in the post, telling us when we must send them.

She tries to control all family events and holidays. Dh would always have to visit at Christmas time and he has to stay for a bare minimum of 2 nights. When I would go to her house for Christmas she told dh I need to talk to other family members more, and I need to make an effort on Christmas day and dress up and wear make-up. You also would get woken up at 7am and told to come to living room in your pyjamas to open presents. It was because Sil wanted people to watch her open presents mostly. Maybe I am over thinking but it felt like the whole day was controlled. For years it was always us going there for Christmas and boxing day. When we got our first house, the first time we were going to spend it with my parents her reply was "but it could be your grandmothers last Christmas". Emotional blackmail is very common if you don't do what she wants. She tried to pick out the place we have our wedding meal at. She told my DH the maximum amount he should spend on my engagement ring. Even demanding to know how much we were going to donate at my sons Christening at the church in front of everyone.

She does this for family news as well, telling him to text or call friends or family about things. Like you must call so and so to tell them about such and such. Or telling dh that he must send our wedding and christening invites / information to people by a certain time. Or that we must announce the birth on facebook. She even told DH who to send our baby scan pictures to.

It feels like she thinks she can control every aspect of his/ our lives and treats us like we are incapable children. She didn’t want us to have a baby and told DH "I hope your not trying for a baby". When DH told her I was pregnant she was almost in tears on the phone asking how will we cope. She was also very against me breastfeeding. For the first month after having dc she would ring almost every day asking if I was still breastfeeding, as well as giving unsolicited advice and pointing out the obvious. She also came into my bedroom when I was trying to breastfeed and she told me “its just so difficult, there is really no shame in giving up”. She told dh if I stop breastfeeding she will buy him a perfect prep machine telling my husband “my friend started formula feeding and they and baby were much happier”. When we have decided I will be a sahm because of the cost of travel and childcare. MIL told DH I should just work because I need a job and even tried to bribe him by saying she will pay for part of nursery as my son will be better off in nursery. One weekend we said she couldn't visit because I was really ill with an infection. Because she couldn't visit that weekend she was shouting at DH over the phone saying "I'm just trying to help", and then she didn't visit for months and just sent texts implying we were stopping her from seeing her grandchild. She also looked for any minor excuse to try to blame him or scold him for something for months.
She tries to pick out different jobs for dh and even links him jobs. She got dh's step father to tell him its nice he enjoys his job but he should be earning more to support his family (we are financially fine and have never asked them for money). The jobs she picks out don't even pay much better. They are just a lot closer to her (we might even be worse off as the house prices are more expensive in that area). When we were were moving in together and DH was buying a house dh's step father sent an email to both of us insinuating I might be a gold digger so be careful, and make sure we both do what is right. If he puts on a little weight, she tells him he needs to walk to work (5 miles away), only have 1 meal a day, asks if he is eating to much junk food, and when she visits touches his belly and makes comments.

She wants to know everything. Even asking dh what vaginal exams I was having after giving birth, my own mother would not ask or want to know that.
My son has had a language delay and behaviour issues since the age of 1. She would constantly insinuate it was our fault asking things like are we even talking to him and pointing out his behaviour is not normal. One time commenting don't you even know your own age in an almost mocking way when he could not answer. He has since been diagnosed as being autistic. Since his diagnosis we have not had an apology for behaviour. She is fact denies she said any of it and uses emotional blackmail saying things like “how can you think that of me, an I wont tell step Fil that you think that of me”. She will lie and deny a lot of the things I'm saying here or say “I’m just trying to help”.

Over the years I have went more low contact and asked dh to stop sharing so information, especially about me. Because of this I am the black sheep of the family and seen as always being unreasonable by the family.

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DontSpeakLatinInFrontOfTheBooks · 14/01/2023 10:19

I feel ever so slightly suffocated reading that. Wow. What does your husband do/say about this?

I’d have sacked off the in-laws when they implied I might be a gold digger, let alone enquiring about my vagina or badmouthing my parenting.

Tothemoonandbackx · 14/01/2023 10:24

@CovertImage Oh my God, I was thinking the same 😂😂 !!!!

hallodarknessmyoldfriend · 14/01/2023 10:26

I would go no contact and only send DH over. She treats you horribly.

I think you also need to get more support from your DH. I would be honestly disappointed if my partner didn't have my side on this. It's his mum, he should be the one making sure there are boundaries and she is not making your life miserable.

stopringingme · 14/01/2023 10:28

You have taken her little prince away from her and he is not stopping her bad behaviour.

You have let it go on too long it should have been stopped way before this.

Do your parents not get to spend Christmas with you or for you to spend Christmas at home as your own unit.

She doesn't like it that you don't follow the party line and so has probably stepped up her game in response to show you she is the matriarch of the family and what she says goes.

You really need your husband to step up and push back, but he has been trained by her to do as he is told.

It might take you having to really tell her what is wrong and if there is a big fallout with her maybe she will learn from it.

The step fil has just been trained to do her bidding and does it for a quiet life.

60miles is not that far if you visit tell her you will be there at 10am and leaving after lunch (make sure to give a time) and make sure you do, you do not need to stay overnight for that distance. If your husband insists on staying overnight you take the children home, he will have to make his own way back. Otherwise insist on staying in a b&b or hotel.

Raindancer411 · 14/01/2023 10:29

Oh my gawd. That wore me out just reading it. Just go low or no contact, it's not normal

Throwncrumbs · 14/01/2023 10:35

Like to hear the husband and the MIL version if this!

LookItsMeAgain · 14/01/2023 10:36

To me it reads as though she hasn't had her eyes opened to the fact that her children are now adults in their own right and they have just continued to kow tow to her wishes and demands. She does also sound really difficult to deal with, particularly around bodily autonomy. She doesn't get to know what is going on in or with your body. Ever.

Have any of her children tried to change the dynamic? Told her no? Said no to her for anything? If she tries to blackmail you or your DH by withdrawing her attentions, would that be such a bad thing?

I think your DH is so immersed in the Fear, Obligation and Guilt (FOG) that he can't see a way out. You're going to need to be the guiding light to help him extricate himself from the hold his mother has over him. What is stopping him from saying that an overnight stay will not be happening going forwards? Why does he feel obliged to stay over in the first place? Would he feel guilty if he doesn't stay over?

I have seen this book been recommended before but I really think if you don't have a copy, it would be worth the investment.

SuperSange · 14/01/2023 10:41

You've not said how your husband is reacting though. That's the important thing, not her behaviour.

alittlebitofspark · 14/01/2023 10:42

I think she sounds very anxious rather than narcissistic. Sounds like she is frightened of losing her child/family and this is her only way of keeping things together.

I think blocking and restricting access to grandchildren is unnecessarily cruel but some firm boundaries are needed. Make sure DH does not share personal/private information with her and when she offers an unsolicited opinion, you just say something like 'I disagree with you on this and DH and I will decide what's best for us'.

The other things just sound like a very angsty, insecure woman. Firm boundaries do wonders.

MintJulia · 14/01/2023 10:51

YANBU. I had one of those. I put up with three years of that, and when DH would not lay down any ground rules, I left.

The key here your dh MUST have your back. He MUST learn to tell her no. He MUST ignore the emotional blackmail. And he must ensure your children know that their DGM is barking mad and they aren't to take any notice of her.

If not, your life won't be worth living.

Bigbadfish · 14/01/2023 10:52

alittlebitofspark · 14/01/2023 10:42

I think she sounds very anxious rather than narcissistic. Sounds like she is frightened of losing her child/family and this is her only way of keeping things together.

I think blocking and restricting access to grandchildren is unnecessarily cruel but some firm boundaries are needed. Make sure DH does not share personal/private information with her and when she offers an unsolicited opinion, you just say something like 'I disagree with you on this and DH and I will decide what's best for us'.

The other things just sound like a very angsty, insecure woman. Firm boundaries do wonders.

Whatever issues she has need to be her problem and be dealt with by her Dr.

She doesn't get to spread her Batshit into someone else's life.

urrrgh46 · 14/01/2023 10:57

i think she sounds autistic tbh. My children are autistic and once i realised that my Dad was (already knew DHs family have autism running through it) it has become a lot easier to manage and understand his behaviour rather than taking it to heart and being offended.

urrrgh46 · 14/01/2023 10:59

agree that your DH shouldn't divulge private info about you - that needs to stop. Also it's likely that most of her behaviour (if autistic) is borne out of anxiety and giving her info may just feed into that so does her no favours.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 14/01/2023 11:23

Hold your ground op. Just do your own thing, you want Christmas in your own home? Do just that. Don’t bow under pressure,

Your dh tells her to mind her own business if she asks about your medical examinations, his earnings, your financial affairs. If anyone accused me of being a gold digger either directly or indirectly I’d laugh in their faces.

Dryjaniscrazyhard · 14/01/2023 11:24

Raindancer411 · 14/01/2023 10:29

Oh my gawd. That wore me out just reading it. Just go low or no contact, it's not normal

I see what you mean. My MIL means well but she's very controlling (stems from anxiety). She also treats her "boys" like well, boys not men. She doesn't like any of her DILs (based on behaviour) and can be unpleasant. I don't think she realises this is how she comes across. She will only talk to DH on the phone (not grandkids or me ever) and DH doesn't like visiting because of the way she treats us all. For all I know she may not want to impose. Also I think having anyone stay can be draining, so I try be mindful of that.

She is definitely nicer to DH but DH doesn't see this. DH does think she's batshit however and regularly says this. He seems to put up with her iyswim. I just try to be pleasant when we do see her and see the good points. She does have good points and I focus on that. It's a shame some women are matriarchal and ruin what could be happier family dynamics. We don't live near MIL so it's easier.

giveadogabeer · 14/01/2023 11:27

What is your husband saying when all this is happening?

Beautiful3 · 14/01/2023 11:40

Wow super controlling behaviour. I'd go low contact and stop going there for Christmas.

Moonriver79 · 14/01/2023 11:41

This is exactly how my mil was - literally everything you are saying was how she was with me. The breastfeeding in particular when she used to say I was sexually abusing my babies by breastfeeding them and that it was disgusting. I tolerated her behaviour for nearly 20 years and in the end it just got so bad that when I actually stood up for myself when I overheard her slagging me off she tried to punch me several times. Immediately I went NC for me and my children and I haven’t spoken to her now in nearly a year. The relief of not seeing her anymore is immense. Please think of doing the same, and please talk to your OH about the reasons why you don’t want to spend time with her. You don’t deserve to be treated like this

Cherrysoup · 14/01/2023 11:51

You have a DH problem. Why on earth would he share intimate details about you? He needs to have some common bloody sense and not tell her everything. You are right to go lc.

Lampzade · 14/01/2023 11:57

Raindancer411 · 14/01/2023 10:29

Oh my gawd. That wore me out just reading it. Just go low or no contact, it's not normal

Me too
Sounds like my mil. I went very low contact then no contact

ofwarren · 14/01/2023 12:06

WineCap · 14/01/2023 10:18

Frankly, I would just cut all contact with her. Your DH can go and visit on his own if he wants.

Your children will pick up on your MIL's batshit behaviour as they get older and understand why they don't visit.

This
No way could I live my life dealing with that. It was stressful even reading it!

UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 13:02

Like to hear the husband and the MIL version if this!

You've not said how your husband is reacting though

She would claim she was just trying to help and I am being unreasonable. When we said she could not visit one weekend because I was ill, she was telling dh how my behaviour was not normal.
After many conversations and arguments he is starting to see my point about her behaviour especially after the way she has treated our son and blaiming us for his language and behaviour. But is still okay with her visiting often and wants us to visit her and stay over. He often tries to brush off alot of her behaviour or down play it.
When I ask is it okay she treats dh's brothers wife better, he replies with well its because I have gone low contact.

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Bigbadfish · 14/01/2023 14:07

UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 13:02

Like to hear the husband and the MIL version if this!

You've not said how your husband is reacting though

She would claim she was just trying to help and I am being unreasonable. When we said she could not visit one weekend because I was ill, she was telling dh how my behaviour was not normal.
After many conversations and arguments he is starting to see my point about her behaviour especially after the way she has treated our son and blaiming us for his language and behaviour. But is still okay with her visiting often and wants us to visit her and stay over. He often tries to brush off alot of her behaviour or down play it.
When I ask is it okay she treats dh's brothers wife better, he replies with well its because I have gone low contact.

He's not worth it. No matter what you say a man who will throw you under like this is no good as a husband

Calphurnia88 · 14/01/2023 15:18

OK at the start of the post I thought maybe she's a bit of a Hyacinth Bouquet (what with the birthday reminders and thank you cards) but then it escalated big time.

She sounds utterly exhausting. Asking DH what vaginal exams you were having after your birth? How bizarre.

I can totally see why you would want to go low or no contact, but this would mean cutting her off from DS. How is their relationship?

UsernameTalk · 14/01/2023 16:40

If he was to go to her house with our 2 dc I would worry about what she would say to them as he would not call her out on it. Especially since my son has autism and she in the past in an almost mocking way commented on the fact he didn't know he age when he was 3 and dh did not call her out on it at the time. She could also say things negative about me infront of my dc.

How is their relationship? He often tries to brush off alot of her behaviour or down play it. He still wants to say yes to her visiting when she asks and wants us to visit her and stay over. His opinion of her has got worse because of the way she has treated our son and blaiming us before he was diagosed.

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