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Passed up on promotion

114 replies

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:17

So, in my work we get EOY apprisals where there is a certain amount of automatic promotions allocated.

I've been with the company 4 years. I've worked my backside off the last year covering illness and as the more experienced team member, I've had to help out the others in the team quite often.

I was disappointed in my appraisal I must say. I got given a pay rise, and a bonus similar to last year. The feedback given to me was that the team would be lost without me, I'm so experienced and great with helping out with others and next chance I get I should apply for promotion. Despite this, I was given the same rating as last year (where admittedly I didn't work as hard)

There are two others in my team. They've been there for around one year and are very friendly with the manager. They know about 30% of the processes I do, and I regularly help them with their work etc. They work hard and are nice people but I don't feel as though they are on the same level as me.

Anyhow, the two of them got automatic promotions.

We are told to keep hush hush about any news we are told but I overheard conversations as they sit behind me.

I am obviously very upset. I've always been considered the more tenured team member, the one people apparently "need" and I have been passed up over them.

As its not common knowledge, I'm sitting here today keeping my mouth shut, really trying to hold back tears of frustration and anger. I'm thinking about taking some time off.

AIBU?

What would you guys do in my situation?

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MXVIT · 13/01/2023 12:19

For me it feels like youve become to indispensable at what you do in your current role and are being taken for granted to go above and beyond, thus making your immediate managers life very easy

I daresay they're not moving you because of the large hole you'd leave as you're a good cog.

It's not right and I would have an open and honest conversation with your manager (non confrontational) about why you were passed up and what youj can do to make sure this doesnt happen next year

HoppingPavlova · 13/01/2023 12:20

Get another job and leave.

Danikm151 · 13/01/2023 12:20

I’d speak candidly with your manager. Ask them what you can do to get a promotion?

are the others’ promotions to ones above your level? If they are then i’d kick off

Cocochai · 13/01/2023 12:21

What both pp just said. Make plans to look for another role.

Sadly they want to keep you were you are because you’re indispensable.

Testina · 13/01/2023 12:22

Can you explain exactly what their promotions are?
Say you’re graded from 1 to 10.

You’re a 6, they were 3s and have just been promoted to 4

Is very different to:

You’re all 6s and they just got moved ahead of you to 7s.

There was a poster a month or so ago that posted similarity about automatic promotions, but they were more job title changes.

Are you actually saying that two relative newcomers who know 30% of the scope of your work, are now structurally higher and better paid than you?

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:24

Yes, two co workers who have far less knowledge than I do and have put in less graft and help within the wider team have been given a rank higher than me. Technically they would be classes as "senior" and I would be classed as "standard"

Yes they get a substantial pay rise with this also. I received a 3% raise in pay

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Hadalifeonce · 13/01/2023 12:29

For a start, I would stop doing their work for them. If they appear to be working at a higher level than they are, because you are doing their work, the management might perceive them to be excellent workers worthy of a promotion.

MushMonster · 13/01/2023 12:30

If they are now above you that is shit.
Talk to your manager and HR.
Look for another better paid job.

OnlyFannys · 13/01/2023 12:32

I've had similar and just left. When I handed my notice in they promised me the world to.try and get me to stay but too little too late in my opinion. If they dpnt appreciate you go somewhere that will

Fluffycloudland77 · 13/01/2023 12:34

I'd leave too pp is right your a good cog and they feel confident you aren't going anywhere.

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:35

Its the fact they sugar coat it

"You should definitely apply for it next time!"

Why though? If I am ready for the role why was it given to less experienced person's?

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Strawblue · 13/01/2023 12:35

What @Hadalifeonce said - management might think they are great workers because you’re helping them. Stop. And if they ask for help be vague or re-direct them to training manuals/others etc. If they are now considered a superior rank to you then let them demonstrate that they deserve their promotions on their own.

Speak your manager about why you were passed over for promotion, and what it would take for you to be considered next time.

As a pp said you’ve shown yourself to be indispensable so you would be hard to replace. Do your own job, only help others if absolutely necessary or you aren’t busy.

Look for a new job in the meantime and find an employer where you are valued.

Testina · 13/01/2023 12:35

I’ve just read your post from last August. Where your manager told you that they were completely work to a higher standard and were developing professionally on other tasks. So you saw this coming.

From what you described, with exact percentages of work assigned (it’s sounds like a heavily system controlled role with recorded admin around who does what) it sounds like you have the evidence to raise a grievance.

You have already told your manager that you are not giving time to do development tasks as you’re assigned the other tasks. Tried to rectify that and then they went back on it. Again, evidenced.

There is a possibility that you are very good at a set of repeated tasks, but their work is a better standard and they have more potential.

I work with someone that likes to point out that she has more customer accounts than me. It’s true. She has the easy ones, I get all the non-standard ones and new ones. For example, it’s like she just gets to deliver down the road the same way we’ve always done for 20 years, whilst I’m knee deep in working out how to deliver to a customer in Finland post Brexit.

So be honest with yourself. And if you are better than they are - speak up.

And if they get the “senior” title in the same role, sure as fuck don’t train them!

Testina · 13/01/2023 12:36

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:35

Its the fact they sugar coat it

"You should definitely apply for it next time!"

Why though? If I am ready for the role why was it given to less experienced person's?

If promotions are applied for as well as automatic, is there a reason you didn’t apply this time?

MyLittleSausageDog · 13/01/2023 12:37

Take a couple of weeks off and apply for every single thing in your field but only if it pays at least the same as what they’re getting. If you can’t beat them, join them. It’ll be a huge sense of satisfaction when you smugly hand in your notice and they’re left floundering without you.

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:38

Testina · 13/01/2023 12:36

If promotions are applied for as well as automatic, is there a reason you didn’t apply this time?

There was no application this time around, only automatic at EOY

They're basically telling me when the role is advertised again in the "next lot of weeks, months, year", that I should apply for it

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Igotthegoose · 13/01/2023 12:43

It sounds like either there is a huge hidden context behind this or you are being taken for granted and you are doing such a good job with all this additional juggling that they want you to stay where you are

either way if you feel like you deserve more and they would be lost without you as quoted, I would be looking for another job with better pay and better respect and ultimately it would be their loss!

Puffin87 · 13/01/2023 12:44

I would change jobs and get higher pay elsewhere.

Tinkerbyebye · 13/01/2023 12:47

If you are sure of your facts I would ask to see your managers manager and explain what you have here, and that you feel you are being unfairly treated. If you have proof they have being doing much less work than you then so much the better

then I would start looking for another job

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:52

I am exhausted putting in 110% into my job as a single working mum and I honestly don't know how much fight I have in me for this to be honest

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Puffin87 · 13/01/2023 12:53

Tinkerbyebye · 13/01/2023 12:47

If you are sure of your facts I would ask to see your managers manager and explain what you have here, and that you feel you are being unfairly treated. If you have proof they have being doing much less work than you then so much the better

then I would start looking for another job

If they don't like her already, speaking to her manager or manager's manager is only going to make things worse.

She needs to change jobs.

Testina · 13/01/2023 12:59

ellie09 · 13/01/2023 12:52

I am exhausted putting in 110% into my job as a single working mum and I honestly don't know how much fight I have in me for this to be honest

Well that’s understandable. You said on your other thread that the job suits your circumstances. So if you do decide you don’t want to just leave (for now) then it’s your own responsibility to give 100% not 110%.

Jazz12 · 13/01/2023 13:06

Op, are other two men?

Wakeywake · 13/01/2023 13:11

I left a previous job where I was denied promotion. They don't get to tell me in one breath that I am indispensable and working above my grade and in the next breath that they can't promote me yet. Handing in my resignation was great, as was the fact they had to assign 2 people above my grade to take over my role.

Shebelievedshecouldbutshecba · 13/01/2023 13:14

Time to make yourself more visible. Rather than just getting on with it, and everything going smoothly for both you and your colleagues because of your actions, be very clear with your manager to point out what actions you took so that problems can be averted. Your manager won’t know how much you have to help your newer colleagues and how much time that takes unless you tell them.

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