Page 13 | AIBU to not be remotely bothered that Rishi has private healthcare

MXVIT · 2023-01-09T09:44:00+00:00

I'm really not - it's an absolutely ridiculous thing for us to be getting worked up about. He's the prime minister - of course he has private healthcare. Leaders of the country need to be fit and well and therefore need the best healthcare money can buy - we can all agree the NHS is not that - and thats a separate conversation. By that logic lets ban all childless babysitters, all dogless dogwalkers. Honestly as a country I feel we're that addicted to getting ourselves into a frenzy over everything that we're focussing on the wrong things. The narrative of "the poorest of society don't have this - so NO ONE CAN" is getting more and more common lately.

thewayround · 10/01/2023 15:30

altmember · 10/01/2023 14:11

He's obnoxiously wealthy, so yes it's perfectly reasonable for him to have private health care. But the issue is that his wealth and privileged lifestyle mean that he is completely out of touch with the average pleb. How anyone in that position with zero social experience of the real world can effectively govern the country is beyond me.

obnoxiously wealthy.

what on earth does that mean?

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2023 15:34

justasking111 · 10/01/2023 15:29

Rishi sunak parents worked in the NHS as a GP and a pharmacist. He had a good upbringing but not fabulously wealthy. He's married into fabulous wealth, which apparently is a crime on Mumsnet

He made an absolute fortune in banking, his own personal wealth is 100s of millions.

No one begrudges his success... the question is whether that wealth makes him unsuited to be a PM combined with his character.
He lies and lacks empathy.... he has had many months to prep the NHS, we all knew what was going to happen... he sat on his hands.

I couldn't give a fuck if he had more money than Elon Musk if he did his job... but he isn't.

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 15:35

thewayround · 10/01/2023 15:27

Man of the people” for the sun reading, low income, left school at 16, Brexit voter, no children, non home owner

will have a different “man” than I do

Wow. What an insufferable snob you are. As if you’re even 0.0000001% as wealthy as Rishi, he’d see you as a complete peasant.

thewayround · 10/01/2023 15:38

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 15:35

Wow. What an insufferable snob you are. As if you’re even 0.0000001% as wealthy as Rishi, he’d see you as a complete peasant.

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Huh?

indeed Rishi will have a very different “man” to me

which is sort of precisely my point 😂

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 15:38

He made an absolute fortune in banking, his own personal wealth is 100s of millions.

WHAT???!! 😂 He made under £10 million, this is well known. The hundreds of millions come from his WIFE. Her net worth is £200 million, her family are billionaires. You really need to do your research. He did well in banking but the vast majority of their wealth is from his wife and her family.

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 15:41

Here are nurse earnings from OECD. Note ours is not the lowest. No other country has the NHS as we have it. They have contributions from taxation. But that’s not the whole picture. Eg in Germany, private contributions from insurance are 23%. So they pay more. We could try that system here!

AIBU to not be remotely bothered that Rishi has private healthcare

MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 15:41

Badbadbunny · 10/01/2023 15:18

I agree he has no empathy. We saw that during Covid where he just batted-away complaints from the 3 million excluded self employed, casual workers and freelancers with glib comments such as "we can't help everyone". How crass!

Especially after his comments at the start of covid when he said "no one will be left behind". Well that didn't last long did it?

Then he lied in Parliament when he said he'd met with the excluded representation group, when he hadn't!

He only got away with it all because Labour were clueless and didn't understand (nor try to understand) the reasons etc., so couldn't get any successful attacks against Boris/Rishi who got away with their deceit.

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I know some felt excluded from SEISS but the cut offs made sense to me

Unrelated to that as someone who isn’t paid by the state I do want a government who doesn’t just fling money around - as Boris did to appease in last part of term imo

State getting bigger all the time isn’t what I want. More receive benefits than pay tax atm

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2023 15:53

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 15:38

He made an absolute fortune in banking, his own personal wealth is 100s of millions.

WHAT???!! 😂 He made under £10 million, this is well known. The hundreds of millions come from his WIFE. Her net worth is £200 million, her family are billionaires. You really need to do your research. He did well in banking but the vast majority of their wealth is from his wife and her family.

That depends where you look, estimates vary and how much he has made since meeting his wife.

I did not say he had 100s of millions BEFORE he met his wife.

Their net worth is well over 700m, any google search will tell you that and as we all know... once you marry....

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2023 16:01

@TizerorFizz This is what i first found....

The average registered nurse gross salary in France is 55 491 € or an equivalent hourly rate of 27 €. In addition, they earn an average bonus of 910 €. Salary estimates based on salary survey data collected directly from employers and anonymous employees in France. An entry level registered nurse (1-3 years of experience) earns an average salary of 39 324 €. On the other end, a senior level registered nurse (8+ years of experience) earns an average salary of 68 663 €

SalaryExpert.

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 16:05

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2023 15:53

That depends where you look, estimates vary and how much he has made since meeting his wife.

I did not say he had 100s of millions BEFORE he met his wife.

Their net worth is well over 700m, any google search will tell you that and as we all know... once you marry....

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Yes but he didn’t make hundreds of millions in banking. That was what you said and it’s completely untrue. “Depends on where you look” well I read a lot and the maximum I’ve ever seen is him make is £15million his entire banking career. PLEASE show me ANY source that says he himself made hundreds of millions in banking (your words).

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 16:17

Salary scales vary as do promotion opportunities . I think we have several hundred “nurses” earning more than £90,000. The oecd findings are widely quoted though. Happy to agree we don’t pay the most!

newcovidisolations · 10/01/2023 16:18

The point is that he has no understanding, not even of the lack of ambulances. He wont even have friends or family affected. As shown by so many posters here unless the situation has directly affected yourself or direct family many people dont really care, which explains election results.

MaryMcCarthy · 10/01/2023 16:20

He made an absolute fortune in banking, his own personal wealth is 100s of millions.

Where did you hear that? It's absolute nonsense.

People who work for hedge funds don't necessarily make hundreds of millions.

MaryMcCarthy · 10/01/2023 16:22

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 15:41

Here are nurse earnings from OECD. Note ours is not the lowest. No other country has the NHS as we have it. They have contributions from taxation. But that’s not the whole picture. Eg in Germany, private contributions from insurance are 23%. So they pay more. We could try that system here!

It's not the lowest, but virtually every country with superior health outcomes pays more than us. Does that not tell you anything? Does the reality of workers leaving the NHS in their droves not tell you anything? Do doctors and nurses moving abroad for better pay and conditions not tell you anything?

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 16:30

@MaryMcCarthy
It absolutely does. We have a sh*t system. We want something for nothing. We need a huge change to bring in a hybrid system. No blaming people who go private. Insist that we all have insurance. We need additional money to boost health funding. We need all those who pay income tax to pay NI too. The oldest, who use health most, pay least even if they are well enough off to pay higher rate income tax. Why? With more elderly needing services, we have to bite the bullet and change that. All citizens in Germany MUST have health insurance. Our system is rooted in the 1950s. We must change it.

barneshome · 10/01/2023 16:45

We have private h care
Do not think it makes us bad people!

Iwantmyoldnameback · 10/01/2023 16:57

Sunack was educated at Winchester yet to hear him talk you'd think he was brought up in an average MC home.

saraclara · 10/01/2023 17:00

barneshome · 10/01/2023 16:45

We have private h care
Do not think it makes us bad people!

Of course it doesn't. But you're not the people making decisions about funding (or rather, not funding) the health care that the rest of us have no choice but to use. He is.

MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 17:01

saraclara · 10/01/2023 17:00

Of course it doesn't. But you're not the people making decisions about funding (or rather, not funding) the health care that the rest of us have no choice but to use. He is.

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Did other PMs have no access to private healthcare?

Did they just use the local GP

Alexandra2001 · 10/01/2023 17:12

MaryMcCarthy · 10/01/2023 16:20

He made an absolute fortune in banking, his own personal wealth is 100s of millions.

Where did you hear that? It's absolute nonsense.

People who work for hedge funds don't necessarily make hundreds of millions.

No it isn't... he did make a fortune in banking and his own personal fortune is 100s of millions.

I never said he made ALL his money in banking but i should have made that clearer, i do agree... thought it obv he had married into money...

No one knows what he made in banking or property investments before or since.. all speculation but 10s of millions is an absolute fortune in my book... he doesn't have to make public his tax return.

However, none of the above makes him unsuitable to be PM, we ve had wealthy PMs before, neither does him having PHI, his lack of empathy and lying does.

Soothsayer1 · 10/01/2023 17:55

MaryMcCarthy · 10/01/2023 14:16

Boris is a man of the people.

Basically it's a man capable of pulling the wool over the eyes of the thick.

A man capable of getting ordinary people to vote against their own interests.

That's a man of the people, apparently.

'man of the people' is probably an archetype which rarely actually manifests, I'd say Johnson is a sociopath masquerading as 'man of the people' ?

MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 17:57

Maybe Corbyn thought he ‘man of the people’. The people didn’t agree though.

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 20:06

@Iwantmyoldnameback
Richi Sunak was 6th form only at Winchester. So 2 years but he got into Oxford. I’m actually pleased immigrants can come here and do so well.

Badbadbunny · 11/01/2023 13:24

MarshaBradyo · 10/01/2023 15:41

I know some felt excluded from SEISS but the cut offs made sense to me

Unrelated to that as someone who isn’t paid by the state I do want a government who doesn’t just fling money around - as Boris did to appease in last part of term imo

State getting bigger all the time isn’t what I want. More receive benefits than pay tax atm

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If you think the cut offs make sense, then you don't understand them.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 11/01/2023 13:47

TizerorFizz · 10/01/2023 20:06

@Iwantmyoldnameback
Richi Sunak was 6th form only at Winchester. So 2 years but he got into Oxford. I’m actually pleased immigrants can come here and do so well.

I never mentioned him being an immigrant. Unfortunately he doesn't share your views.