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MLM and conspiracy theories about cars

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MojoMoon · 07/01/2023 13:08

I have a relative who has been into various MLM schemes over the last 15 years - she is in her 40s, 7 years old than me.

Since childhood, she's always been a bit gullible - and very emotional. There was a holiday where she cried for an entire day because we found a dead baby bird that bad fallen out of a nest on the floor - she'd have been 12 at the time. Always struggled a bit with friends because she was quite gullible, easily led - people took advantage of that in her teens. She meant well but the combination of gullibility and quite showy emotional moments meant she probably tired people out quite quickly. She is the sort to post everything on social media even from its earliest days in a "OMG, can't believe some people are so rude" and hope people reply to ask "what's going on?"

She wasn't hugely academic but muddled through school ok, then went into various office admin type jobs.

Met someone, first proper boyfriend, had a kid, split up fairly quickly.

I lose track of all the MLMs but it's all the sort of herbal/health/cleanse ones.
I decided not to buy anything quite early on as it's a scam but she was very invested in them all so it falls on deaf ears. I just politely decline now and don't say why.

For her, I am sure a big part of it was the sense of belonging these MLM schemes foster. For someone who has always struggled with friends a bit, having loads of people (also MLMers) like your social media posts, comment on them is probably really gratifying so I have tried not to be too negative about it and have just avoided it as much as possible. She went on a trip to Mallorca for a MLM awards event with some of them once and posted a million photos and still talks about it now, years later.

Anyway, that's the backstory. I've usually just ignored it.

But in the last few months, she has really got into conspiracy theories. There was a bit of it during COVID (deliberately released by China, the UN knows all about it etc) but she did get vaxxed.

But she seems to have tipped fully into the new world order conspiracy that The Great Reset is coming through the medium of some restrictions on cars.

There is a low traffic neighbourhood in Oxford somewhere - a city she has never been to, neither have I - and some plan to encourage 15 min city idea in Oxford which is the idea that planning departments should encourage developments that means people able to buy their food, see a GP, go to school, visit a dentist, usual regular life tasks within a 15 min travel distance.

Apparently this is just the start of the new world order and the Great Reset and we'll soon have to get permission to leave the house.

She has made some "friends" online who are ardently pushing this idea, and spends a lot of time in private WhatsApp groups talking with them although a couple of these accounts look dubious to me and maybe sockpuppets -
Some are real people (from her MLM networks) but some are definitely not.

She is now bombarding the wider family with stuff on this. Xmas was full of it. She is filling a family whats app group with it despite being asked by other people to stop.

What do we do? I feel like trying to discuss the topic is unlikely to succeed as she isn't going to listen to facts or look at evidence.

I get that she is probably quite lonely and this gives her some status so I am trying not to be too harsh on her but it's quite trying.

She lives in NE, opposite end of country to me so my physical contact is limited to a couple of times a year at family events. But she is really alienating the family now.

Maybe we should have done something earlier with the MLM stuff but it was relatively low key compared to his. How do we pull her out of this rabbit hole?

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Pugtails · 07/01/2023 13:34

Tbh she’s probably right
if you just look around at recent history it’s clear something is going on

Cassillero · 07/01/2023 13:37

Yeah I think she's right too.

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 07/01/2023 13:43

People are being encouraged to use their cars less - this is true. The "great reset" is coming - conspiracy theory nonsense.

Problem is, as you found with the MLM, that once she has surrounded herself with her own wee echo chamber of people agreeing with her or posting "you go girl" memes about how she's "smashing it as a girl boss" you are one solitary voice of reason in the wilderness.

All you can do is ignore her, and leave her to her paranoid delusions.

Funkyblues101 · 07/01/2023 13:49

She's just not very bright and you can't fix stupid. You have my sympathies.

Scurryfunge12 · 07/01/2023 14:04

‘’The great reset’’ is nonsense. The trouble with conspiracy theories is they are infallible in the sense that you can’t prove them wrong because they view anything that happens following an event etc as ‘’proof’’ of their theory, when in reality it’s unrelated.

The car thing does have a grain of truth to it, electric cars for eg. seem to be becoming a subscription based model, so the conspiracy theorists are latching on to things like this as proof of a ‘’new world order.’’ These things have zero to do with covid though!

They seem to thrive off things sounding sinister because it makes them feel intelligent and special when they think they’re on to something massive that no one else knows/believes.

It’s given her a sense of belonging that MLM’s have previously afforded her, only now she probably feels extra special compared to others who aren’t as gullible.

knittingaddict · 07/01/2023 14:07

Well the first two people got here fast. Did a klaxon go off in Conspiracy Land.

NotDavidTennant · 07/01/2023 14:11

There's probably not much you can do to help her sadly.

MaryMcCarthy · 07/01/2023 14:11

If the Great Reset truly is a nefarious conspiracy, why's it only the thickest mouth breathers and Facebook aunties who know about it? And how do they know so much about it? Why don't any intelligent people deem it credible?

Or are all the intelligentsia in on the plot? That must be it...

Where have we heard this before?

BakedTattie · 07/01/2023 14:14

I would just ignore and divert conversation as much as possible.

the great reset 😂😂 hilarious.

peepingmeercat · 07/01/2023 14:16

Funkyblues101 · 07/01/2023 13:49

She's just not very bright and you can't fix stupid. You have my sympathies.

This made me chuckle way too hard 😂👏

MistressoftheDarkSide · 07/01/2023 14:18

Perhaps if organisations like the WEF which are populated by corporate leaders and world leaders stopped using terms like great re-set it wouldn't get co-opted into ever more elaborate theories.... just sayin .....

Coraline353 · 07/01/2023 14:24

I'm reading this at the moment OP.

Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B077YS5G2N?ref_=cm_sw_r_apann_dp_X6GVPRTY8B34N9CAM06S

It's helping me understand how to talk to a family member who has been similarly influenced.

MaryMcCarthy · 07/01/2023 14:27

MistressoftheDarkSide · 07/01/2023 14:18

Perhaps if organisations like the WEF which are populated by corporate leaders and world leaders stopped using terms like great re-set it wouldn't get co-opted into ever more elaborate theories.... just sayin .....

But this is just the same sort of speculation we used to get about groups like Bilderberg years ago before things were uncovered. Just because there are gaps in our knowledge that doesn't mean we need to fill them with the most ludicrous, paranoia-fuelled conspiracies.

Merryoldgoat · 07/01/2023 14:29

Funkyblues101 · 07/01/2023 13:49

She's just not very bright and you can't fix stupid. You have my sympathies.

Not much to add after this, is there?

MojoMoon · 07/01/2023 14:30

I've always felt a bit sorry for her - as kids, we spent quite of bit of time on family holidays together despite the 7 year as my other cousins close to her in age didn't really want to hang with her. She's always seemed younger than she is.

One of the cousins similar in age to her has suggested blocking her from the family whatsapp group for a while if she doesn't agree to stop bombarding it with great reset stuff but I am a bit wary of isolating her more.

It's the sort of family group largely restricted to sending happy birthday messages or sharing a picture from a holiday or kids first day at school /nativity etc- lightly used, could be a fortnight at a time with no messages but now she is posting things almost every day.

Today we've all been told we need to wake up as this is a communist plot to control where we can travel freely but previous ones have all been about WEF wanting to control us, which given its members are private companies, is the opposite from communism.

One of my other cousins will snap soon enough, I suspect, and tell her she is an idiot 😔

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MojoMoon · 07/01/2023 14:31

Thanks @Coraline353 this looks useful

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SaintLoy · 07/01/2023 14:32

Cassillero · 07/01/2023 13:37

Yeah I think she's right too.

Sorry, but... bollocks.

Flapjackquack · 07/01/2023 14:37

It’s alarming the platform conspiracy theorists are being given these days. They used to be a mainly harmless small group of people on the fringes of society and now they are storming democratic legislatures and finding their way into power in the most powerful democracy in the world.

I don’t have any answers I’m afraid. I have an equally nuts relative who is just dim and this makes them feel smart. I just ignore them but I appreciate that is probably not the right answer. Funnily enough also used to be into MLMs and full blown pyramid schemes.

The Oxford thing was literally a traffic measure to cut pollution. No one was being stopped entering and leaving Oxford, they were just limiting cars coming in at peak times to cut pollution. How they managed to spin that to the point councillors were getting death threats is beyond me.

I despair at the lack of critical thinking skills. I recently read about sovereign citizens in Germany and was buoyed that it’s not just the US and UK with these dimwits.

Flapjackquack · 07/01/2023 14:40

Oh and call me the illuminati but being able to have a school, GP, shop etc within 15 minutes of new housing developments sounds like a great idea. It’s just convenience for everyday matters.

Overandunderit · 07/01/2023 14:41

I'd just say "please refrain from posting this rubbish. Any more and you'll have to leave the whatsapp" any more and kick her.

ijustwantasofa · 07/01/2023 14:43

I have a relative a bit like this. Into every facebook conspiracy going, urging people to 'question things' but walks off upset if you ask even the most mundane question about what they even think. Also gullible and not very bright - I think there was a period where their 'friends' were getting money off of them.

I think the only real link with MLMs is the unquestioning reliance on what other loud voices say, and the fact it's all based around social media.

She'll move on to the next thing soon. I can't see a way out of it with my relative but tbh they are so inconsistent they don't actually really act on anything (e.g. believe doctors are all lying to everyone but still goes to the GP if needed). I just unfollow them on FB and take a look to check up every so often.

Jimboscott0115 · 07/01/2023 14:46

The thing is OP, both MLM schemes and Conspiracy theory groups target the same groups of people - those who are gullible, often not that bright and very rarely fully happy in life - and give them a sense of belonging, a place they can connect with others and an element of being special. Lots of people fall for it and before they know, they've fallen down a rabbit hole never to return.

People big time into MLM schemes won't hear anything bad about their company/product and conspiracy theorists will twist and turn everything to back up their claims but both use the same techniques - ridiculous claims that are hard to disprove because they make little sense, pile ons to anyone questioning them with actual facts and a 'with us or against us' attitude which again makes those people involved feel special.

On the specifics of conspiracy theories, the most obvious response to almost all of them is that the theorists themselves believe that whatever the conspiracy - thousands or millions of people can keep a secret without a single person involved ever breaking ranks and no hard evidence ever coming to light.

They do it because it gives them purpose and makes them feel special and 'in the know' but every one I have spoken to is regularly caught sharing lies, things that can easily be disproven with science and information that clearly stems from the far right. The new world order crap is no different, and making a claim that the rich and powerful want to introduce a change in society that when studied even at a superficial level would make them less rich is just ludicrous.

Unfortunately your friend won't realise this for quite some time and you may have to just leave her to find out the hard way she's falling for a bunch of scammers and liars.

MojoMoon · 07/01/2023 14:53

The MLM network of huns seems to have been her route into this conspiracy (although to be honest, her MLM network is prob her only real network for contacts outside family so I guess it is no surprise)

She has sent round links to fundraising campaigns that are supposed to fund some unspecified legal or other action about driving and car parking limits in all sorts of random bits of the country where none of us live (and also, I am very in favour of pavement parking being banned anyway! And for people to not drive short distances!)

Someone is making money off this and I worry she is probably donating to lots of them - bit of a history of her trying to pay for things to make friends with people. Although she is now on a fairly low income so it's not something she can afford to do.

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GrannyWeatherwaxsHatpin · 07/01/2023 14:54

I had - note the last tense - a friend who went down a similar route. I liked her but, to be very blunt, she wasn’t that bright and was always very easily swayed. She wasn’t into MLMs but I never knew her to have a job for very long and she bounced from one “This is my new thing!” scheme to the next. They never worked out.

When Covid happened she started sharing stuff on FB, and I saw others replying and inviting her to demos in London and she disappeared down a “It’s a PLANdemic!” and other such nonsense rabbit hole. I don’t doubt that she was into the whole Great Reset thing too.

I stepped away. It wasn’t the first time she’d had something of an obsession over a subject that ended up being dragged into every single damned conversation and there was no reasoning with her. I haven’t seen her for a couple of years now - I hope she’s OK but I just didn’t have the mental resources to deal with her any more. If she contacted me and wanted to meet, it would be very much on the basis of not discussing Covid theories.

DayKay · 07/01/2023 14:56

The great reset is not a conspiracy theory. The world economic forum does exist and they are working with governments and corporations to change the the way we do things.
Look on their website and you can see quite openly what they're working towards.

Whether it's negative or positive depends on your point of view.
I think there's a bit about ending car ownership and the positive impact it will have on the air and the environment.
The idea is that you hail an autonomous car using an Uber type of app.
Some will see it as positive and others as restricting freedom.