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Why are people normalising antidepressants?!

283 replies

mumyes · 05/01/2023 21:04

Just watched yet another reel on Instagram about "the thugs that make me happy"...coffees with friends, downtime, fresh air...and my antidepressants.

It feels like the entire world thinks it's normal to take them.

I am in no way judging those who do, it just feels bloody tragic that life is so shit for so many people that this is now becoming what seems like the norm.

Lessen stress on people, pay them more, treat workers better.

Oh no, let's treat people like shit & shovel pills into them so they don't care.

Surely this is not a good thing.

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wyntersuhn · 05/01/2023 22:02

123woop · 05/01/2023 21:57

I agree. They should be a last resort imho (spoken as someone who knows lots of people who've taken them previously and as someone who's had them prescribed many years ago). They are an extremely strong drug and can have very adverse effects on wellbeing

But what do you do in the meantime? Sit on your psych referral with a 6 month waiting list? ADs can be provided upon diagnosis and provide the support people need while other issues are being examined. Bearing in mind that no amount of walking out in the fresh air or counselling will help people who need to take them long term.

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:03

NooNooHead1981 · 05/01/2023 22:01

I was all for being pro-medication and this included any type of psychotropic drugs until I was harmed severely and permanently by an off label antipsychotic called Pericyazine.

I'm not saying that every single psychotropic drug is bad, nor demonising those who take them. If they are helping and offer respite from severe mental illness, this is a good thing. What isn't good is being gaslighted about any severe side effects of them, and told that they are harmless and a panacea for many illnesses.

Yes, I was bloody unlucky to get a permanent neurological involuntary movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia after just a week 8 years ago, but it has ruined my life totally and is utterly hellish living with involuntary movements of my mouth, tongue, and other body parts.

I'm all for drugs to help with sickness but not being told the potential of how harmful they can be makes me feel wary of anything I take now.

Ageee 100% and I know of and have read hundreds of similar stories. Very sorry for your experience. This needs to be widely shared so people can make informed decisions.

whataboutsecondbreakfast · 05/01/2023 22:04

MumUndone · 05/01/2023 21:59

I think OP is being misconstrued, it's not about there being a problem with taking antidepressants, it's about there being a problem with society if it's normal to take them, and I agree - as someone who has taken antidepressants for over 10 years. We really shouldn't need chemical assistance at the rates we do. There should be no shame in taking them, but it shouldn't be normal.

But it's not a modern or new phenomenon - it's just the medication is new and therefore more people are using it.

Previously, people killed themselves. They spent their lives locked in asylums or having lobotomies or being dosed up with sedatives.

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:04

wyntersuhn · 05/01/2023 22:02

But what do you do in the meantime? Sit on your psych referral with a 6 month waiting list? ADs can be provided upon diagnosis and provide the support people need while other issues are being examined. Bearing in mind that no amount of walking out in the fresh air or counselling will help people who need to take them long term.

They don’t help all. Approx 60% success rate. They’re not magic pills

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:05

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:04

They don’t help all. Approx 60% success rate. They’re not magic pills

No medication is 100% effective. That doesn't mean someone with depression shouldn't try it.

NightTerrors · 05/01/2023 22:05

There's literally no other support available for those who are struggling - and for those who antidepressants don't work for we truly are left on the scrap heap. Frankly I have believed for a long time that mental health services are just waiting for some of us to hurry up and die so they don't have to pretend to care anymore. That might be morbid but after over a decade of supposed help that's how I and many others feel now.

I think when people heart the words 'depression and anxiety' they imagine someone who's a bit tearful and high strung, nobody wants to actually deal with the ugly side - the side where you don't wash or clean, the side where you go months without brushing your teeth and hair or can't even pick up the phone for the phone call from the doctor because the very thought of answering the phone in the first place gives you panic attacks which means help is even less accessible. If antidepressants stop someone getting to that ugly stage then they should be normalised in my opinion. There shouldn't be a stigma around being ill, nobody says people are too quick to take paracetamol for a toothache do they.

MadKittenWoman · 05/01/2023 22:05

The reason for my anxiety and depression is a combination of genetics, a narcissistic mother (lifetime of FOG until I went NC) and Catholic convent-school guilt. I had a little therapy years ago which helped me to recognise this, so any more would be of no help at all; I need the drugs. Along with plenty of sleep, a healthy diet and lots of exercise (especially dance classes) they keep me well.

QueenOfHiraeth · 05/01/2023 22:06

I think, while serious mental health conditions need treatment, we over-medicalise and overtreat a lot of less serious issues. Many people have unrealistic expectations today, fueled by TV and social media, then label the uncomfortable feelings, caused by that disconnect, depression. Rather than finding other and better ways to deal with it the system allows it to be medicalised.
For women now we are expected to take the contraceptive pill so we can be a tigress in the bedroom, take antidepressants to control any unhappiness with life, pain relief to keep going through physical discomfort then take HRT rather than admit to ageing, even if we can do it well and healthily without it.

mumyes · 05/01/2023 22:06

I've been through some very bad times in my life and have - I think - been depressed once, possibly twice. The second time I very briefly had fleeting thoughts about being better off not here etc. Scary.

Thankfully I had a wonderful mum, decent resources etc and managed, with support, to improve.

In retrospect, there were clear reasons as to why I was depressed, things making me that way, if I was indeed depressed. I came to understand what those reasons were, and addressed them. And my MH improved massively.

Whilst it scares me that I could get that low again, I feel way more prepared & resilient now to handle it if I did. I learnt a lot about me, about life, resilience etc in dealing with stuff.

I didn't end up taking any meds. I didn't want to.

I think I am fucking lucky.

I wonder, if I had taken meds, whether I would be able to say the above, which I think is ultimately positive / a good outcome.

Clumsy maybe, trying to be honest.

I genuinely am not trying to judge anyone else, I just think it's sad that 80-90% of the female friends I have are on ADs & we're seemingly encouraged to think that's just fine / normal.

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justheretoread111 · 05/01/2023 22:06

mumyes · 05/01/2023 21:04

Just watched yet another reel on Instagram about "the thugs that make me happy"...coffees with friends, downtime, fresh air...and my antidepressants.

It feels like the entire world thinks it's normal to take them.

I am in no way judging those who do, it just feels bloody tragic that life is so shit for so many people that this is now becoming what seems like the norm.

Lessen stress on people, pay them more, treat workers better.

Oh no, let's treat people like shit & shovel pills into them so they don't care.

Surely this is not a good thing.

Hannah Gale?

NooNooHead1981 · 05/01/2023 22:07

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:03

Ageee 100% and I know of and have read hundreds of similar stories. Very sorry for your experience. This needs to be widely shared so people can make informed decisions.

Thank you, yes it is crappy how much I have had to suffer over the years and all because I had an adverse reaction to a medication that was meant to help with severe anxiety and insomnia after a head injury and post concussion syndrome.

Many of the online friends I have in Facebook groups are suffering from similar neurological conditions and we are all left to live our lives with these things and have no sympathy or treatment for them at all. I don't trust many medical professionals much now unfortunately.

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:07

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:05

No medication is 100% effective. That doesn't mean someone with depression shouldn't try it.

I agree, as long as patients are equipped with all facts and understand there is potential for medical professionals to gaslight patients and their subsequent experience with the drugs.

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:07

QueenOfHiraeth · 05/01/2023 22:06

I think, while serious mental health conditions need treatment, we over-medicalise and overtreat a lot of less serious issues. Many people have unrealistic expectations today, fueled by TV and social media, then label the uncomfortable feelings, caused by that disconnect, depression. Rather than finding other and better ways to deal with it the system allows it to be medicalised.
For women now we are expected to take the contraceptive pill so we can be a tigress in the bedroom, take antidepressants to control any unhappiness with life, pain relief to keep going through physical discomfort then take HRT rather than admit to ageing, even if we can do it well and healthily without it.

We certainly do live in a petri dish that is not conducive to well health.

Stroopwaffle5000 · 05/01/2023 22:08

BedfordBloo · 05/01/2023 21:12

The same reason we normalise putting plasters on cuts, running a burn under cold water, taking antibiotics for a bacterial chest infection, and taking paracetamol when you have a headache. Because antidepressants are the appropriate medication for depression in a lot of cases.

Why does it offend you to “normalise” taking medication when necessary?

This!

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:08

mumyes · 05/01/2023 22:06

I've been through some very bad times in my life and have - I think - been depressed once, possibly twice. The second time I very briefly had fleeting thoughts about being better off not here etc. Scary.

Thankfully I had a wonderful mum, decent resources etc and managed, with support, to improve.

In retrospect, there were clear reasons as to why I was depressed, things making me that way, if I was indeed depressed. I came to understand what those reasons were, and addressed them. And my MH improved massively.

Whilst it scares me that I could get that low again, I feel way more prepared & resilient now to handle it if I did. I learnt a lot about me, about life, resilience etc in dealing with stuff.

I didn't end up taking any meds. I didn't want to.

I think I am fucking lucky.

I wonder, if I had taken meds, whether I would be able to say the above, which I think is ultimately positive / a good outcome.

Clumsy maybe, trying to be honest.

I genuinely am not trying to judge anyone else, I just think it's sad that 80-90% of the female friends I have are on ADs & we're seemingly encouraged to think that's just fine / normal.

I've experienced horrible times without and with antidepressants. Resilience...I know what you're saying. But sometimes having to be constantly resilient leads to burnout.

ShimmeringShirts · 05/01/2023 22:08

Wow, the sheer fucking ignorance of this. Fuck all wrong with needing to take antidepressants whether it’s situational depression or a chemical imbalance that’s causing it. They’re a lifeline and without them so many more would be committing suicide.

mumyes · 05/01/2023 22:09

NooNooHead1981 · 05/01/2023 22:01

I was all for being pro-medication and this included any type of psychotropic drugs until I was harmed severely and permanently by an off label antipsychotic called Pericyazine.

I'm not saying that every single psychotropic drug is bad, nor demonising those who take them. If they are helping and offer respite from severe mental illness, this is a good thing. What isn't good is being gaslighted about any severe side effects of them, and told that they are harmless and a panacea for many illnesses.

Yes, I was bloody unlucky to get a permanent neurological involuntary movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia after just a week 8 years ago, but it has ruined my life totally and is utterly hellish living with involuntary movements of my mouth, tongue, and other body parts.

I'm all for drugs to help with sickness but not being told the potential of how harmful they can be makes me feel wary of anything I take now.

So sorry Flowers

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Floydthebarber · 05/01/2023 22:09

They made me happy. Or rather, they allowed me to be happy. And they saved my life in a way that the talking therapies and counselling was not going to. I put off taking them for too long as there are so many negative stories but the right ones can be very positive. And I found the support from my gp while I was taking them was excellent.

lifeturnsonadime · 05/01/2023 22:10

OnemoresliceofChristmascake · 05/01/2023 21:42

Cousin is school psychologist and is also concerned at how many teens are being prescribed anti-depressants as first port of call. OP has a valid point.

This cannot be true.

Anti - depressants aren't licenced for children in the UK. My teen has them but only after being suicidal and a CAMHS referral.

Certainly not a 'first port of call'.

Germolenequeen · 05/01/2023 22:12

**ShimmeringShirts

Wow, the sheer fucking ignorance of this. Fuck all wrong with needing to take antidepressants whether it’s situational depression or a chemical imbalance that’s causing it. They’re a lifeline and without them so many more would be committing suicide.**

This 100% I'm so so fucking annoyed reading some responses

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:12

I think some are also talking about societal causes for depression moreso than the individuals unique struggles.

But many of us will live in environments where we are predominantly sedentary, have limited access to nature, are in overcrowded built up areas and are overly dependent on technology whilst eating poor food (there is evidence between a brain and gut connection in depression and mental illness.)

Do as much as you can to be well in this world and if that includes anti depressants, I hope they help.

NooNooHead1981 · 05/01/2023 22:13

I'd like to show people what my involuntary movements are like which were caused by the adverse reaction but i don't think it will let me post any videos on here.

Yes, I'm an extreme and most likely rare case of a bad reaction but it isn't totally uncommon and I don't want to sugar-coat just how horrendous these totally avoidable iatrogenic injuries are.

I was back arching on the bed, restless, grimacing, and feeling like my head was detached from my body when I was taking the antipsychotic for just a few days, and I wouldn't want anyone to go through the same hell as I have. The drugs are effectively a chemical lobotomy in some ways and doctors still have not really any true idea what they do to the brain or how they actually work.

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 22:14

I'm also not sure i like this concept of constant resilience.

Resilience is important yes. But you can't always be resilient forever.

Some people have gone through unimaginable hardships for a lifetime. Resilience isn't a limitless resource. Sometimes you get knocked down and can't get up. Or you get up but you're a shadow of your former self with no enjoyment for life.

Resilience is important but simply thinking we should just cope with everything and anything (some things which are frankly intolerable to experience) seems cruel.

Littlepuddytat · 05/01/2023 22:15

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 21:35

No it’s not unique to ADs but this thread is about ADs. My view is that medication is over prescribed.

Which individuals shouldn't get their prescription in order to fit the quota then?

5YearsLeft · 05/01/2023 22:15

Isittrueornot · 05/01/2023 21:16

How do antidepressants make you feel happy? Genuinely asking.

Do they take away sadness?? What if someone in the family has an accident, can you not be sad even if you physically wanted too?

How do they make you feel happy? Like floating on a cloud constantly?? make you forget what is bringing you down?

HOW do they work? Is everyone different?

If this isn’t a goady comment, a very quick read of a Wikipedia entry would tell you how they work. Every antidepressant is in a category named after the chemical it affects, to tell you “what it does.” For example, the most numerous category is, I believe, the SSRIs. As I said, the key is in the name: they are selective SEROTONIN reuptake inhibitors. The article on SSRIs says right at the beginning that these drugs, such as Sertraline, limit the réabsorption, or reuptake, of the chemical serotonin, so the person will have more serotonin (it’s a little more complex than that - it forces the serotonin to stay longer in a certain cell gap). You should then be able to read how serotonin works to understand why these anti-depressants, in particular, aren’t “happy pills.”

Serotonin is NOT a happiness chemical, nor does it cause amnesia, or lack of emotions - so you won’t be floating on a cloud, or forget what made you sad, or be incapable of a full range of emotions, though the hope is that it will stop major depressive states. It just simply does not make people “happy.” Not even like fresh air does. That’s the chemical dopamine. So it is believed someone with more serotonin will experience less anxiety, possibly less psychosis, not more happiness. This is why most people on anti-depressants explain it as “keeping them even” or stopping them from reaching a deep depressive or anxious state, versus making them feel even a slight “happy” lift, like they might feel at some point from fresh air or seeing a friend (note: these things don’t erase depression; I’m just saying that for some people, sometimes, they can boost dopamine a bit).

The second most common class of anti-depressants, SNRIs, are serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors, so the exact same thing but with both serotonin and norepinephrine. Again, you can just read the Wikipedia article on what norepinephrine is, or on SNRIs.

We do not have a way to introduce dopamine for neurological use. The only dopamine for medical use is by vein, has a very short period of working (half-life), doesn’t affect the brain so much as the heart, and has some bad side effects (possible kidney damage). If we had TRUE anti-depressants that could somehow raise your neurological dopamine in a manner that didn’t lead to a dangerous rebound, I imagine they would be worth trillions of pounds and save thousands of lives. As it is, SSRIs are the best we have and they DO save a lot of lives - think of it as them removing some of the depression and anxiety, not overwriting it with happiness.

Studies have shown that those with anxiety have less serotonin, which is why it makes sense that: these drugs work, and we should take them. The real question is: WHY are people anxious, or depressed? As many people have commented, they don’t have a bad life or bad job or bad treatment from others, yet still need anti-depressants. Some psychologists are beginning to posit it’s because humans have reached a point where what we expect from modern life is simply pushing ourselves too far - how many women post on here that have no time for any personal hobbies or time to themselves? It’s impossible to keep filling from an empty cup without eventually feeling anxious and depressed. The idea that a job, a family, and no one treating you badly should be enough to make up a life is perhaps the problem. And the idea that “not badly” is good enough treatment may be part of it, too - how many times have women posted on here that are married to men who are just awful, but they seem to think since they aren’t being abused or treated TOO badly, that the treatment is acceptable? And yes, some people could have an absolutely perfect life - be healthy and wealthy and with a loving family and still feel depressed, because we’re talking about chemical imbalances, and that’s what anti-depressants treat.