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Why are people normalising antidepressants?!

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mumyes · 05/01/2023 21:04

Just watched yet another reel on Instagram about "the thugs that make me happy"...coffees with friends, downtime, fresh air...and my antidepressants.

It feels like the entire world thinks it's normal to take them.

I am in no way judging those who do, it just feels bloody tragic that life is so shit for so many people that this is now becoming what seems like the norm.

Lessen stress on people, pay them more, treat workers better.

Oh no, let's treat people like shit & shovel pills into them so they don't care.

Surely this is not a good thing.

OP posts:
Littlepuddytat · 06/01/2023 14:31

smooththecat · 06/01/2023 08:58

Ridiculous to compare depressive states to the condition of either having a stiffy or not. Yes, sure, that might have MH implications but, honestly?

My point was made tongue in cheek, in response to the suggestion that the AD industry is too big and that is a concern. Nobody suggests too many people are taking insulin, or viagra, or painkillers.

So taking medicine for physical problems is absolutely fine, but apparently not for mental. Which just goes to show that poor mental health still isn't regarded as a proper medical condition.

Littlepuddytat · 06/01/2023 14:33

Within that average is a group of people who experience much better results on antidepressants

So they do work then.

Eyesopenwideawake · 06/01/2023 16:28

Littlepuddytat · 06/01/2023 14:31

My point was made tongue in cheek, in response to the suggestion that the AD industry is too big and that is a concern. Nobody suggests too many people are taking insulin, or viagra, or painkillers.

So taking medicine for physical problems is absolutely fine, but apparently not for mental. Which just goes to show that poor mental health still isn't regarded as a proper medical condition.

If the medicine worked more than "marginally better than a placebo", if the medicine didn't have horrendous side effects and if it was easy to discontinue the medicine once it had worked then you might possibly have a point.

Ever seen the meme "it's not good enough to just keep pulling people out of the river, we need to find out why they are falling in"?

Maybe if governments invested in mental wellness education (teaching the basic tenets of CBT to 12 year olds rather than insisting maths be learnt until 18, as an example) big pharma's profits would be cut slightly. They'd survive.

pinkpotatoez · 06/01/2023 16:33

They kind of are the norm, it's hardly shocking hearing someone's on antidepressants. It's so easy to get them from GP and life is shit for a lot of people

KimberleyClark · 06/01/2023 16:35

Not everyone takes anti depressants for depression. Some like me take them for anxiety. And they work

AlienatedChildGrown · 06/01/2023 16:42

I started taking them about 2 years ago. Stopped suicidal ideation (every single day when not so bad, constantly when bad) that started in May 1984.

I’m a product of the early popularisation of “children are resilient” and “children can’t be happy if one or both of their parents aren’t, so parents should prioritise their own happiness, cos that is what best serves their kids”.

It obviously won’t be the whole or majority reason why AD use is up. But I think the above mantra & happiness equation produced ever growing numbers of my ilk, which may have played a part in the rise of AD usage.

JamSandle · 06/01/2023 17:00

Eyesopenwideawake · 06/01/2023 16:28

If the medicine worked more than "marginally better than a placebo", if the medicine didn't have horrendous side effects and if it was easy to discontinue the medicine once it had worked then you might possibly have a point.

Ever seen the meme "it's not good enough to just keep pulling people out of the river, we need to find out why they are falling in"?

Maybe if governments invested in mental wellness education (teaching the basic tenets of CBT to 12 year olds rather than insisting maths be learnt until 18, as an example) big pharma's profits would be cut slightly. They'd survive.

A lot of the time we know why people are falling in the river. The powers that be simply don't want to make things any easier for most people.

AlienatedChildGrown · 06/01/2023 17:05

I’d just like to add, I genuinely tried for decades to do all the good stuff people suggested. But it didn’t make a dent. I wanted to die. To make life go away. But didn’t want to hand my bucket of pain to my little sister, then later my husband & son. You would never have known after interacting with me what was going on in my head.

My baseline was so low that nothing I tried could pull it up. And I was basically knackered from pushing the thoughts away I had very little energy left over. It became my normal. I bristled when my Doc. suggested them as I was recovering from Covid. I’d lived with it so long I thought my normal, was normal.

Took them. Improved massively within 3 months. For an entire year and one month I’ve used the fabulous app to do all the “good stuff” anti depressants & anxiety solutions. Exercise, better diet, walking, meditation, gratitude, drinking water, forgiving myself, mindfulness.

It’s all fucking amazing ! I can’t believe how transformed I am. I don’t just want to live, I want to live well. But the ADs were required to lift my baseline high enough so I could help myself. I needed both. But one had to kick in before I could embrace the other. I climb the mountains to be the best I can be everyday. It’s not a slog, it’s my “journey” (as much as I hate the word, but it does feel like one, so I get over the inner chuntering about sounding like an aged hippy)

I can’t be the only person who just got used to having a way too low base line and thought their shit head space was normal, to be expected and lived (not well) with it. Perhaps the change is that more people are aware their base line is too low, so are less resistant to medication than I was ?

Also… if I had grown up in the age of SM I genuinely think my baseline would have shifted even lower. Thank god my idiocy/not coping days were not recorded and uploaded for all the world to see and share. Thank God there weren’t gaggles of people all too willing to jump into my spiral of doom days with an overload of empathy and/or their own misery, which ALWAYS (even in the real world on a very much smaller scale) dragged me down deeper. I did better when I told nobody, “pulled my socks up” and walked through the world with a brave face on. Alone in my bad headspace. Which helped contain it to some extent. But that isn’t very fashionable, or is considered actively harmful, these days. And wasn’t much fun.

Stroopwaffle5000 · 06/01/2023 18:12

flashbac · 05/01/2023 21:47

But they don't treat depression do they? They mask it.

If it's a chemical imbalance then yes, antidepressants do treat it.

Wombatbum · 06/01/2023 18:15

I take citalopram for anxiety… when I don’t take them i’m ill… therefore unhappy…

Americano75 · 06/01/2023 18:31

BedfordBloo · 05/01/2023 21:12

The same reason we normalise putting plasters on cuts, running a burn under cold water, taking antibiotics for a bacterial chest infection, and taking paracetamol when you have a headache. Because antidepressants are the appropriate medication for depression in a lot of cases.

Why does it offend you to “normalise” taking medication when necessary?

This.

Eyesopenwideawake · 06/01/2023 18:31

Stroopwaffle5000 · 06/01/2023 18:12

If it's a chemical imbalance then yes, antidepressants do treat it.

The chemical imbalance theory has been debunked. Depression is generally linked to environment/situation, psychology or genes.

Vitriolinsanity · 06/01/2023 18:39

You know the painting by Munch, The Scream? That's me without the medical intervention. You will be talking to me, and that's what is happening in my head.

Many people here will at least know the desolation and apathy caused by sleep deprivation, that's me without the medication.

But you know why I put off taking them for so long? Because of the stigma and fear that exists around them. Many comments in threads like this.

You can't just "run it off", you can't just "get therapy", you can't just "get advice for your problems. Why? Because you can't "just" do anything.

People that take antidepressants don't do so for the shits and giggles. They don't get them "doled out" by GP's.

But if they work they can literally be the difference to saving your life

and the life of the smug fuck that suggests a nice long walk will be the answer

BickertyBockerty · 06/01/2023 19:21

Vitriolinsanity · 06/01/2023 18:39

You know the painting by Munch, The Scream? That's me without the medical intervention. You will be talking to me, and that's what is happening in my head.

Many people here will at least know the desolation and apathy caused by sleep deprivation, that's me without the medication.

But you know why I put off taking them for so long? Because of the stigma and fear that exists around them. Many comments in threads like this.

You can't just "run it off", you can't just "get therapy", you can't just "get advice for your problems. Why? Because you can't "just" do anything.

People that take antidepressants don't do so for the shits and giggles. They don't get them "doled out" by GP's.

But if they work they can literally be the difference to saving your life

and the life of the smug fuck that suggests a nice long walk will be the answer

This.

This thread is really unpleasant and goady towards people who take antidepressants.

I have reported it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking antidepressants if you need them and similarly absolutely nothing wrong with talking about it. Awful.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 06/01/2023 19:44

JamSandle · 05/01/2023 21:17

There's circumstantial depression (for example depression because you lost your job or had a divorce) and also chronic depression that either could be genetic in nature, part of a broader mental health issue or condition such as general anxiety disorder or PTSD or issues with coping strategies.

Mental health isn't one size fits all. Any GP worth their salt wouldn't diagnose long term use of an AD (at least not alone) for circumstantial depression.

To be honest they don't seem keen to prescribe them these days in my experience. I was referred to primary mental health service and told to try mindfulness. Then offered group CBT, which I ended up not being able to attend because of the problems with DS that are causing the majority of the issues I'm having, and they've not had anything I can get to since and the online groups are in the evening when I'm having to go through DS prolonged bedtime routine.

I'm not sure how any of it can help with mental distress caused by being regularly physically attacked by my child though.

nobodygirl2023 · 06/01/2023 19:51

Im sorry - are you from the past OP? Antidepressants ARE normal.

Its not about shoveling people with meds because we can't be bothered to lessen stress (that's one part of the equation for SOME people but that's not necessarily or typically what clinical depression or chronic anxiety is). Many people have stress free / surface level lovely lives, but still suffer from mental health conditions.

People talk in this open way now because its fairly well recognised that treating poor mental health medically, just as you would a physical condition, and not trying to cover that fact up, is a pretty healthy way to approach things.

nobodygirl2023 · 06/01/2023 19:59

MeinKraft · 05/01/2023 21:17

Yeah. I take a low dose of sertraline. I'm not running around full of the joys of spring all the time! But it helps me out of the mire so that I can live a normal life. My mental health still needs work but without sertraline I wouldn't have the motivation to work at it, by going for a walk or eating healthy foods, or talking to a friend. I wouldn't even realise that's what I should do when I'm in a bad way.

100% this! Depression doesn't make me feel sad, just as my treatment with SSRI meds don't make me happy. Its much more complex than that and the ignorance to that on this thread is astounding to me. I cannot believe so many people still don't have a basic understanding of the spectrum of mental health.

Vitriolinsanity · 06/01/2023 20:04

Consider this too. If you were suffering cardiac arrest you wouldn't argue with the paramedics and doctors that you don't want the spectrum of treatment that would help you live.

Why on Earth would you not consider treating your brain and mental health the same?

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 06/01/2023 20:07

It’s reducing stigma imo. I had major depressive disorder in my twenties and teens and if I hadn’t had them I wouldn’t be here. Luckily I’m in remission now (and have been for ten years) but I am definitely pro pills.

mumyes · 06/01/2023 21:18

@BickertyBockerty saddens me that you've reported this thread. It's not intended to be goady, and if you'd actually bothered to RTFT you'd see it hasn't been like that on the whole.

Discussion, debate & disagreement are healthy.

Suggest you open your mind to that instead of trying to shut down people who you disagree with.

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forgodssnake · 06/01/2023 23:26

I was thinking about what else I could say. But we run in cycles now.

However, I will leave this link here. www.madintheuk.com
These people cannot be dismissed as not knowing/inexperienced or unknowledgeable.

PixieLaLa · 07/01/2023 23:37

I wouldn’t describe antidepressants as abnormal to be ‘normalised’ but that aside….More people are prescribed them because more people are aware of mental health problems and asking for help. GPs prescribe medication in the same way they do for many other illnesses. I don’t see a problem.

XenoBitch · 07/01/2023 23:42

PixieLaLa · 07/01/2023 23:37

I wouldn’t describe antidepressants as abnormal to be ‘normalised’ but that aside….More people are prescribed them because more people are aware of mental health problems and asking for help. GPs prescribe medication in the same way they do for many other illnesses. I don’t see a problem.

Of course, and ADs certainly have their place, but I feel like they are over prescribed when the real root of the issues do not get dealt with. A few PP on this thread have said they will be on ADs "for life". Why is that? How do they know they always need them?

If you have a big lump on your leg, and it was causing you lots of pain and mobility issues, would you settle for just painkillers to dull the pain? Or would you insist the lump be investigated so you could be pain free and walk properly again?

HRTQueen · 07/01/2023 23:50

Stroopwaffle5000 · 06/01/2023 18:12

If it's a chemical imbalance then yes, antidepressants do treat it.

The chemical imbalance was a hypothesis

it was a fantastic marketing term for pharmaceutical companies. Not that long ago people would often announce that they had a chemical imbalance and ad’s were correcting this

I am not against ad use have used them myself but it is concerning as ad’s can become less effective over time and they should be monitored especially when dose is increased but so rarely are

it’s not like taking pain killers (and they should be monitored and there are huge problems with addiction) there is a reliance on ad’s as it’s simply the cheaper and quicker form of treatment

lifeturnsonadime · 07/01/2023 23:58

A few PP on this thread have said they will be on ADs "for life". Why is that? How do they know they always need them

My son has a condition which means that he naturally produces less seratonin than most people. This is a condition commonly associated with Autism which is why many autistic people have co-morbid anxiety and depressive disorder.

The absence of the hormone means that he is less able to naturally regulate his mood and anxiety.

There is no way of 'curing' this in the absence of medically replacing the hormone.

That is why he will be taking Seratonin for the rest of his life. If he doesn't he can't live his life fully.

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