Jordan Peterson - what is the deal?

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I know this guy has been around a while, but I only bothered watching some if his YouTube stuff recently. My impressions are -

He is very articulate

I alternate between thinking he is very insightful and feeling irritated by the 'mansplaining' tone of it all

Some people say he is offensive / misogynist, but I haven't really encountered that??

I get vibes from him of an evangelical (slightly peculiar / deranged?) nature underneath the calm and logical veneer?

When interviewed by Piers Morgan, why did he start crying very suddenly out of nowhere? What was all that about?

Something seems 'off', but also he makes a lot of sense in some ways.

AIBU?

This. I think he’s fantastic, and I could listen to him all day.

Here's their daughter interviewing them about the results of their personality assessments and how that works/goes against them in their marriage. It is over an hour long but interesting nonetheless

He’s a self styled ‘straight talker’. Except that he isn’t a straight talker. He states the obvious but goes around the houses to make himself sound clever. He’s marketing himself.

forcing women to have sex with men chosen for them

I've yet to see this clip or read this article. I've listened to him talk extensively about monogamy and how it's better for us all but never forcing women to have sex with men chosen for them.

If you could post that here I'd love to see it

He eats exclusively red meat? Am I understanding that right??

I think he talks a hell of a lot of sense. Not seen much on the misogyny claims but he rejects compelled pronouns which'll do for me.

Meat and very few greens I think. It really removed a lot of issues hes had. I'd love to try it but I'm vegetarian 🤣

Plus I know people who have tried all meat diets and it's done nothing for them same as people who have gone vegan. Some it helps, some it hasn't done anything or, its even made them worse!

I dont think any diet like that is the "right" one. Everyone has different allergies/intolerances and gut bacteria.

He has never said anything like that. He has however said that he believes that "socially-enforced monogamous conventions decrease male violence".

More here: www.jordanbpeterson.com/media/on-the-new-york-times-and-enforced-monogamy/

Personally I disagree with him, monogamy is a fundamentally failed concept as far as I'm concerned. But I don't think his viewpoint is offensive, or even particularly controversial. Like much of what he says it has been taken wildly out of context though.

Like a lot of people, some of the things he says is great, some of it is infuriating, and some of it is just nonsense. He's clearly a very intelligent man, though. And kind of cute. 😅

That really isn't true.
He does categoricall NOT support incels but he does perhaps understand their motivation (he is a clnical psychologist after all).
His aim is to stop them being incels.

Here is an article about that particular talk he gave.

Some of his quotes are: (when speaking about incel Alek Minnasson who killed 11 innocent people) "He was angry with God because women were rejecting him. The answer to that is enforced monogamy."

Another quote is "Violent attacks are what happen when men do not have partners."

Another quote is that feminists "have an unconscious wish for brutal male domination."

There's another quote around about how women who complain about sexual harassment but wear make up are hypocritical, because they are engaging in a "sexual display".

Google "Jordan Peterson misogyny quotes". There are many awful views he has shared.

His earlier clinical publications have no indication whatsoever of his later offensive and discriminatory views. The persona he currently adopts starts when he becomes a media personality. Not much evidence he has any real belief in what he says, just that he's willing to spout anything for fame and money.

Please see my post above the his quote supporting incels (though he notably has not left copies of those interviews up to be watched).

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners,” is how the New York Times’ Nellie Bowles summed up his thoughts.

Not a direct quote from Peterson at all. You literally omitted the last part of this in the article you referenced.

sorry, that was in response to @Stompythedinosaur

Benzo addict. That probably explains 99% of his erratic behaviour, including the weird diets.

I agree, for somebody who claims to have the answer to all of life’s problems, he doesn’t seem particularly happy or functional.

I have listened to Jordan Peterson at length and find him to be highly thought provoking, articulate, interesting and compassionate. I don't think he's misogynistic, although I do think that snippets of his conversation, whether written or spoken, when taken out of context, may lead others to think so. I think you have to be willing to listen to him at some length to appreciate the depth and breadth of his way of looking at the world, which has been informed by many years of working as a clinical psychologist and the academic rigor involved in his areas of research.

One of the reasons he cries in interview is because he is often asked questions which lead him to talk about the young men, and women, that thank him on a daily basis for changing thier lives. He is moved by their stories but also speaks of both the privilege and burden this brings to him. I am surprised that others perceive this as a weakness, or some sign of instability. I see it as evidence of a highly emotionally intelligent person expressing compassion for others.

I think he's absolutely brilliant!

I agree with some things he says and not with others but he's a great debater. He's never thrown and he doesn't get personal.
I saw him on the Matthew Wright Show. And Matthew Wright, who likes to think he's a clever guy and quick-witted, and one of his guests, a woman who stood for London Mayor, had obviously decided together to stitch Peterson up. Neither of them could land a punch on him. He had statistics at his fingertips,and could counter all their argument. I think Wright was impressed by the end.
Like I say, I disagree with things he says but he's so quick thinking that you can't help being engrossed by him.

I absolutely love his interview with Helen Lewis and that debate with Cathy Newman🤣. They desperately tried to expose him as a woman hater and twist his words. Sometimes I rewatch them just for the laugh.

I definitely think his mental health (never great) is deteriorating. I believe that he had/has an addiction to prescription drugs. For that reason I would be very wary about putting him on a pedestal, which his die hard fans do.

This is a recent interview he did with Chloe Cole, an 18yr old girl who started puberty blockers at 12 and had a mastectomy at 15. She is now sueing the doctors and counsellors for allowing this to happen. It's an excellent interview, informative, very moving. There is no doubt he feels a great amount of compassion for her and the other children who have been taken down this road and treated abysmally by the gender ideology pedlars.

Man's a genius, the 20 second shutdown of that climate uni activist was enough for a Nobel Prize in my opinion. I have his book, on chapter 2. What a man, makes me realise that no, it's not just me hahah... there are other sane people in the world.

He is a genius, sensible and compassionate.

I understand the criticism but having listened to his interviews and talks at length (and having read his books), I think this often arises because certain quotes have been taken out of context; or, because of the time constraints of media his answers or statements are concise and things are read into them that he didn’t intend; or, the listener/ critic is ideological possessed and unwilling to hear his message.

I do think that going forward he should try to expand or give more context to soften or clarify some of his messages that (in the view of his critics) are more provocative.

He is a depressive and I think some of his narrative is a little doom and gloom in similar ways to dogmatic religion.

So all in all I think him a good man and wonderful cultural and intellectual commentator who has been of critical importance in helping people to orient themselves in a society which has lost its way in many respects. His critique of the culture wars, gender ideology and in particular the predation of children and young adults in relation to changing gender/sex is spot on and unbelievably important.

But, his views as with everything else should be ingested in moderation!

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😂😂He's the man.

He's very clever, thoughtful & compassionate.

But he has very little/no feminist analysis of anything. That's his archillies heel. It's where the misogyny accusations come from (I think)