Corruption in the EU

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Am i bring unreasonable to not be surprised by Corruption in the EU, I would imagine it’s only the tip of the iceberg

I already knew about it.
It's been common knowledge for a long long time.
There is a huge web of corruption and a black hole of missing hundreds and hundreds of millions.

They are not concerned about the fraud. They are concerned with their reputation. I would look into how the Eu investigate anything. It involves very little support from members!

Most governments are corrupt. This post was about a current story in the Eu. Its a big deal. so I'm not sure why people are bleating on about UK government? There are loads of threads about that!

Why are people so desperate to deflect the actual issue? (I mean I could take a guess!!!)

someone's fond of exclamation marks.

Your comment is literally crying out for one!

If British MPs were caught taking bribes, would the press be talking about a corruption scandal affecting 'UK officials'

Sorry phone being stupid...
If British MPs were caught taking bribes, would the press be talking about a corruption scandal affecting 'UK officials' or calling it a British government corruption scandal? Because references

FFS I give up. But the point is talking about EU officials in this context is ignorant and misleading

There is corruption in EVERY single, solitary government/political/bureaucratic organisation. You’ve been on planet earth how long, OP? You feign surprise (I call bullshit) and use this as a reason to create some anti EU thread on a parenting website.
Happy Sunday. Stay warm.

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I think it's hard enough to keep tabs on our own powers that be and we rely on whistle blowers and investigate journalists for that.

That's hard enough.
How on earth are we supposed to keep tabs on MPs over in the EU parliament dealing with far larger sums of money and people whose names we've never even heard of?

I'd have to give up work and study it all to have a small chance of keeping up with our own issues and theirs.
Thankfully, I don't have to worry about it now.

Cake and wine, EU corruption has been a huge problem for a very long time. Thankfully for you I can't link on my phone but i could easily link to lots of articlee!

There is an index re government corruption so some countries do better than others

Not sure about the EU as an organisation as it won’t be on the list

People are desperately bringing it back to the UK because they can’t bear any suggestion that the EU might not be all that and that the UK just might not be all bad.

Which is one reason we left … (hard working polish men vs lazy brits?)

There’s corruption everywhere so no, I’m not surprised.
My tale on your photo though is - oh, they’re actually making an arrest.
Unlike the U.K…

I read that the Belgian secret police were running an investigation into widespread meddling of the EU by the Russians and Chinese when they fell upon this Qatari scandal. Does that mean there will be more revelations to follow on the original investigation?

Yes daring to speak against the Eu always comes with an agenda. In this case it's because they are not the democratic, human right empire they lord about being!

Everyone else knows their own governments failings, plenty of posts about ours!

This is about the Eu. Perhaps read about it. Educate yourself about the money these people spend on themselves and are "gifted".

We don't need to educate ourselves. We know that where there is a large organisation, there is corruption. What we object to is the faux-naive outrage of the OP.

So we're not allowed to discuss it? If it were the UK government this thread would have been full of people condemning their actions. If this was Fifa or Qutar it would have been the same. Because its the Eu the poster has an agenda.

Hopefully the people investigating this will blow the whole thing apart! But I doubt much will happen, apart from the odd scapegoat resigning.

We're not in the EU anymore

So it's not that interesting and there's not a lot we can do about it. It's not like we can vote or anything.

You're assuming in the whole of mumsnet not one person on here is living in an Eu member country? You think because it doesnt happen in the Uk its not discussion worthy?

Have a little think about that or maybe a big think.

Luckily we did get a vote on whether we wanted to belong to another corrupt government! Just the one will do.

Tbf the thread has a fair amount of posts. Usually if no one is interested people ignore it

The yanbu vote is high though not sure why so few posts matching

If people want to discuss it, they will.

You can't force people to discuss something.

Personally, it does not surprise me. Corruption is everywhere.

The OP reminds me of this though

Corruption is everywhere is a bit of a cop out, a line that seems to be used for the EU but not other

Some countries do much better and others worse by measurement (U.K. is pretty good as it goes)

EU is not included though, maybe that kind of accountability wouldn’t hurt

I'm not surprised by corruption in any large organisation. It's almost guaranteed. The question is what organisations do to prevent it, monitor and uncover it, and ensure it's tackled effectively. What do you think about how it's been tackled in this case, OP?

You also seem a little confused about the EU and how it works, as you keep referring to 'the EU', which is the grouping of member states.

There are four main decision-making institutions that govern the EU:

1. The European Council, made up of heads of state/government of sovereign member states. They set political direction and priorities.
2. The Council of the EU, made up of ministers of the sovereign member states. They jointly decide on laws and policies with the European Parliament.
3. The European Parliament, made up of representatives directly elected by the citizens of member states, jointly decide on laws and policies with the Council of the EU.
4. The European Commission, the executive that proposes new policies and laws and implements laws and policies that have been passed the EP and Council of the EU.

I'm not remotely surprised that there is corruption within some of those institutions, any more than to learn that there is corruption within our own political and civil service institutions in the U.K. Or indeed in the half a billion people and numerous governments that make up the EU.

What matters is what steps are taken to prevent it, and what's done about it when it's uncovered. So OP, what's your view on that? Do you think corruption within these institutions is worse than elsewhere? What's your view on how they're dealing with it? Why is it more worthy of comment than corruption in other public institutions around the world?

When our own house is in order, then we can judge others. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that.

Surely would preclude any criticism of any other country.

There is a major homelessness problem in San Francisco.
Same in UK so we shouldn’t comment on San Francisco.

There is a lot of crime in New York.
So what? There’s a lot of crime in UK

China has a poor human rights record.
So does UK.

My own view: the EP has long been the most dysfunctional and least transparent of the EU institutions, and transparency and anti-corruption reforms are long overdue, particularly around lobbying and whistleblowing.

My ideal for both the UK and the EU would be to see independent crime and misconduct commissions established that have investigative and enforcement powers.