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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask my sister if she’d got something that is missing

77 replies

BellaVida101 · 10/12/2022 18:13

I live with my mother who is very ill. In the last few years a lot of things have gone missing from the house. One of them is an ornament of mine that I have literally since seen on my sister’s bookcase. She also took a number of our late father’s ornaments which my mother wasn’t too pleased about. Neither of us have asked for these back; seemed easier to let it go.

Today I went looking for a wooden stool that I’ve had since childhood. My mother wanted it. I said it wasn’t where I thought it was and my mother suggested I email my sister to ask (context: my mother did previously ask my sister to return some family photos which she did).

I sent a fairly balanced email asking if she’d by any chance it, and if she had, could I have it back? (I know I probably should have just asked if she’d seen it but tbh I thought she’d see that as passive aggressive). A friend has reviewed the email and said it was polite and reasonable.

Her response - “as you feel so confident in accusing me of theft, why don’t you call the police? I expect an unreserved apology from you”

I wrote back and apologised and said I wasn’t intending to accuse her of theft. In all honesty I wouldn’t have viewed it as “theft” - it was a family-owned item that she might have had and I wouldn’t have viewed it as stealing. And I’d already written off some of my other things that were in her house, as had our mother.

AIBU? What can I do to smooth it over? She, obviously, matters more to me than stuff does, and I wish I hadn’t said anything .

OP posts:
Silvers11 · 10/12/2022 21:00

I too would counsel accepting the house from your Mother - and sorting things out AFTER your Mother is no longer here. She will have you out of that house so quickly after your Mum goes if she possibly can so that you won't have time to turn around, if you do. She'll also make off with a lot of other stuff too which she fancies before you can fairly divide things between you

I am speaking from some experience here and there is nothing like a death to create huge family arguments. You were not unreasonable to ask your Sister about it and her reaction should tell you everything you need to know. This is NOT going to get any better sadly, once your Mother is no longer around

FavouritePi · 10/12/2022 21:25

She's a massive CF and as you have her number she feels targeted. She's probably sold it to get rid of it as in these sort of circumstances things aren't usually sentimental but a power trip. She's using your mother's illness to her advantage. The fact she's taking advantage is so wrong. It's not that you need the money, it's that she doesn't deserve it.

My nan would promise me ornaments and jewellery and once asked me to earmark stuff whilst in OK health and I refused. I said I'd much rather her alive and didn't want possessions of hers, I keep a lovely memory of her in my heart instead.

Your sister is a grabby, materialistic CF. The fact you are second guessing and cowering to her speaks volumes as to the kind of person she is.

Personally I'd be pulling a Fleabag stunt and next time I'm alone in her house, stealing all of the family stuff back and making a quick escape. What can she do about it since she can't prove they're hers anyway.

I'd also encourage your mum to do a will asap and ensure you have many witnesses when discussing it, if possible.

CharlotteStreet · 10/12/2022 21:30

Her response - “as you feel so confident in accusing me of theft, why don’t you call the police?"

Oh God, this reminds me so much of my sibling who subsequently did time in prison... for theft.

StaunchMomma · 10/12/2022 22:18

I think you're being unreasonable to not call her out on the things she stole previously.

It's absolutely outrageous to steal from family!

menopausalbloat · 11/12/2022 17:04

I've turned my back on a few toxic people in my life as I've gotten older. Best thing I've ever done.

treacletoffee23 · 11/12/2022 17:32

This could be my sister
A complete narcissist who turned everything l said into an argument. My mum told me not to trust her
Get power of Attorney- encourage mum to make a will so things are transparent- stay calm and non confrontational but don’t be a pushover

Welshmonster · 11/12/2022 17:40

Nobody should be removing stuff from the house while your mum is still alive. My Nan stuff got taken while she was still alive and it’s upsetting. Your mum asked for it.

ICanHideButICantRun · 11/12/2022 17:48

Why has your mum offered you the house? Is she scared that your sister will rip you off?

Has your mum made a will? Given your sister is the way she is, that will needs to be cast iron.

If you have seen something of yours in your sister's house, why haven't you said so at the time?

Could you put up a Ring doorbell on the back and front doors "for security" which would show you if your sister was taking anything she shouldn't?

Panjandrum123 · 11/12/2022 18:53

@BellaVida101 You asked, you got opinions you don’t like. But I think you know that you have to stop pandering to your sister. The fact that she has a hell of a temper and you don’t want to trigger it means she knows she can act with impunity. You need to stand firm.

Perhaps your mother wants you to have the house, she knows what your sister is like so wants you to have it. Have you considered that you are simply playing into your sister’s hands again? Are you the main carer? Does your sister do anything other than quietly appropriate things as an advance on her inheritance? If your mother offers again, have a proper conversation with her before you turn her down again.

DomPom47 · 11/12/2022 18:53

You’re not going to get the little ornament that is yours and the stool back. Anything else that is yours at your mums I would take to your house or hide away so it is out of sight at your mums. Sorry you are fearful of your sister, she really doesn’t sound very nice at all. Good luck xx

Bideshi · 11/12/2022 18:58

Welshmonster · 11/12/2022 17:40

Nobody should be removing stuff from the house while your mum is still alive. My Nan stuff got taken while she was still alive and it’s upsetting. Your mum asked for it.

This. It's ghoulish. Your mum is terminally ill and it's as if your sister has already written her off and is helping herself to anything she fancies Asia she were already dead. Heartless and insulting towards your mother. Perhaps you could point that out to her?

KatieCelf · 11/12/2022 19:29

DriftwoodOnTheShore · 10/12/2022 18:15

She's a thief and doesn't like being called out.

Don't apologise. Get the stuff back.

She's the one who should be apologising, not you.

100% this ⬆

Cruisebabe1 · 11/12/2022 19:58

ImJustNotMeAnymore · 10/12/2022 19:00

Accept the house next time your mother asks. Your sister sounds like my siblings. Grabby, spiteful and selfish. You don't need her.

Yes accept the house if offered again. My mother in law offered me a third of her estate as her younger son didn’t bother with her. I refused believing that it was the right thing to do. Since she passed we have had NC from BIL and he has been awful.
So your mum perhaps feels that as you care for her she wants her estate to go to you. Bin the sister!

BilliousBob · 11/12/2022 22:20

SpicyFoodRocks · 10/12/2022 20:06

OP do you lack assertiveness generally? Do you have friends, work colleagues etc? It doesn’t seem normal to feel so scared of your sister and be so passive.

Sorry about your mum and the tough times ahead.

I think you do need to plan a bit for your sister’s behaviour. Make sure you will be ok financially when your mum goes.

in toxic family dynamics it is normal. This sounds like a classic narcissistic family dynamic with a golden child and scapegoat. It is very hard to stand up if youre in this kind of dynamic. There is no transparancy, honestly and certainly no consideration for others. Its simply a bear-pit of unaware individuals grasping for whatever they can in leiu of love. In families like this, parents ailing or dying will bring these dynamics into the wide open. The best thing OP can do is get away from this family and have lots and lots of therapy. There is no love in this family.

Herejustforthisone · 11/12/2022 22:31

You’re being unbelievably weak. Your sister is riding roughshod over you and you are apologising to her for hurting her horse’s feet.

allboysherebutme · 11/12/2022 23:28

What @DriftwoodOnTheShore said. X

RealBecca · 11/12/2022 23:39

BellaVida101 · 10/12/2022 20:09

PS I’ll be fine financially. I have my own money and earn well.

Well then you dont need to learn how to be assertive then do you.

Sorry to be hostile but you are totally excusing the inexcusable because you're scared. The fact you will be ok financially doesnt make it ok that she is stealing your stuff. By that logic you may as well never lock your doors. Shes taking sentimental stuff and it bothers you but you wont speak up. For what? To keep the peace when you are in the right?

BatshitBanshee · 11/12/2022 23:59

Honestly if that's her attitude, I'd pocket what she's taken from you the next time you're in her home. No stealing between family, right sis?

She's truly awful but you need to stop excusing her behaviour otherwise when your mum passes, she will be unbearable and will make life hell.

Canthave2manycats · 12/12/2022 02:00

Accept the house and then you can decide whether your horrible sister gets a share or not - at least you are in the driving seat!

My own horrible sibling appropriated things after our parents passed - sentimental things like family photos (which we know she has). There was a huge family bible and that also went missing. A figurine that I had the matching one of, appeared in their house too... You know, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because they are just things, but it's the principle of the thing. Sibling was horrible to DPs and other sibling, and we are now LC. I hate that, but it's not my doing (even though they have convinced themselves that it is!!)

I'm so sorry about your poor mum - it's a horrible time xx

marvellousmaple · 12/12/2022 03:41

What is it with older sisters?
My parents were just moving house. They asked me to come and help clean as they are in their 80's but wanted to leave it nice . So I rocked up , cleaning like a maniac and find mu older sisters address on post-it notes on heaps of things. That was a note to the removalists.
I cracked it and took a pot plant and put it in my car and threw away her post- it, that was attached to it. Cheeky cow. She's been there the week before and told my parents what she would like to have!
I feel for you OP. I've grown up a bit scared of my older sister too. It's years of stuff and it doesn't just go away.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 12/12/2022 04:18

You're foolish not to take the house. You can always share any proceeds with her, but don't summarily give up that power.

Fomn · 12/12/2022 04:40

Call her bluff- actually sister I wasn't abusing you of theft, I wondered if you'd borrowed it/ mistakenly taken it home thinking it was yours. But since you clearly haven't, you're right, it must have been stolen, I've noticed a few other bits missing too (list bits) so I'm going to contact the police.

Then do just that.

Your sister is stealing from you and your unwell mother - she's not a person to value having in your life and you should hold her responsible.

Also go round and take photos of things so you have evidence of their presence in your house now in case she takes more.

Flamingflames · 12/12/2022 05:01

This made me think of Fleabag stealing her step Mum’s ornament thing. Not really the same but just saying!

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/12/2022 05:18

Hide anything you and your mum want to keep in your room and add a lock to the door so your sister can’t get it. You can show your mum the things when you’re both alone. I would also accept the house and sort it with your sister later.

Shoxfordian · 12/12/2022 05:26

Sounds like she did take it and doesn’t like being called out for her thieving ways

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