To think ofsted means nowt and year 1s should recognise numbers to 20?

[GarlicSauce]

DS3 is in yr 1 at an outstanding school. It's a job share in a mixed ages class yr1/2 with an NQT doing Monday-weds and another teacher doing Thursday/Friday. It's been a fairly disastrous year and the whole cohort seem behind. DS can't recognise any numbers past 10 consistently. I'm going to do a whole lot more with him but there's no SEN and none of the class seem to be any better. Most kids have been on the same reading books since last spring and haven't moved up. A significant number have moved down. The Thursday/Friday teacher is moving into another classroom so we will have cover teachers until Feb half term. Do we bite the bullet and pay for private? We could just about swing it. His older brothers did state until secondary and did fine but this school seems chaotic.

Sorry, but parent "helpers" like you, snooping for evidence about the attainment levels of children in the class, are the exact reason my school won't allow them in to help.

For context in Yr 1 my son was reading Harry Potter just about

this is why I love MNs! 😆😆

That’s not helpful context at all. That’s a stealth boast. Of course most year ones aren’t reading Harry Potter.

@BlackFriday the child was meant to talk to me about the book he had just read. I was meant to ask questions about it to check that he understood what he had read. I was asked to do this by the teacher.

I’m guessing that BlackFridays comment was aimed at the OP.

Respectfully, how would I know that? He's my eldest and it's not common knowledge or something you'd ever google until you get there. He just watches Numberblocks (which is aimed at children his age and goes up to 100) on TV and has those wipeclean books (but those only cover the individual digits anyway). He just likes numbers, always has.

Year 1 teacher here.

(They're not usually reading HP in KS1, so don't worry about that)

At the end of the day, OP, they're approaching the end of the first term. The huge changes of growth, development and learning between now and spring term will be huge.

Your DC isn't at the same level as your other DC, because they're not the same people. We all grow at different rates and the curriculum has changed - which may look quite different in this school.

If you're genuinely concerned, speak to the teacher(s) in the new year.

In the meantime, enjoy him being 5! Loads of amazing Christmas resources to encourage counting and recognising numbers over the holidays 😊

If your child can't recognise numbers past 10 consistently, I would be wondering why this wasn't flagged up last year in reception.

Why you have only just realised. Why you are blaming a teacher who has been working with your child for 13/14 weeks max.

It would indicate dyscalculia or some SEN to me.
Ps- he will get there- but this will require support from home, school and perhaps a tutor.

Because now the EYFS end of year goals are about numbers to 10.

Firstly ignore the inevitable Mumsnet style replies where people pretend to be all wide-eyed and clueless that most other children wouldn't be doing (insert quite obviously beyond typical age related expectations activity here).

Secondly, it does sound like that much inconsistency of staffing isn't good for the children. The class sounds behind a little but not terribly so and I'd be cautious about trying to draw too many conclusions about other people's children based on your brief time with the children.

If you have specific concerns about your child, contact the school and arrange to discuss them with either the class teacher or the key stage leader.

My ds is in reception and I'm teaching him numbers myself.

Private school won't do any good at this level. Besides, they'll already have the children in year 1 recognising numbers to 20 so he'll still be 'behind'. A different state school, if you're that concerned, but private is a waste of money.

@PriamFarrl fair enough- I realised my knowledge would be out of date as I moved to year 6 as the new goals were implemented.

I still think it should be flagged though.

Really? The death eaters? The dead parents? The going into hiding from death eaters?

5/6 year olds should be reading Julia Donaldson. At a push, simple Roald Dahl like Enormous Crocodile or Esio Trot.

Reading HP and (supposedly) understanding it is just as negligent as letting a primary child play Call of Duty.

Because all kids are different and the benchmark needs to be achievable for majority of the children? Have you consider your child is just above normal maths aptitude? I don't believe 100 is achievable for most YR.

By the way, my DS didn't know numbers up to 20 when he's finished YR. He slowly picked up things until I had to intervene at Y2 to push him to meet the benchmark.

Raving about young children can count to 100 in a post like this is a bit showoff really. At least you shall know the expectation for their year. Anything above that is your luck.

@ILOVECHEESE79 people usually complain that this country sets too high a bar at a young age, as many countries don’t start formal education until 7yo

@GarlicSauce - private school is a big investment and it’s not the only option. Your other options are another state school and doing more outside school (or both).

personally I would go with doing more outside school and look at other state options. Number blocks on iplayer is a nice program and goes above 10 and way beyond. My kids found it fun and educational.

I don't see how private school is the only option?! Both mine go to a perfectly ok state school and both were able to recognise numbers 1-20 in nursery. The school doesn't sound great but I don't see why private is the answer.

Reading HP and (supposedly) understanding it is just as negligent as letting a primary child play Call of Duty

oh absolutely. Reading a book which is described by the published for aged 9-12 at 7 is exactly the same as playing a violent 18+ video game. I would respond more but I’m about to sit down and watch Texas chainsaw massacre with him. (Weirdo)

I’d move him.

Some of the spiteful comments on here are, as well as being spiteful, failing to take into account that while parent engagement is a good thing (such as volunteering in your child’s school, one might say) actually teaching your child is sometimes highly counterproductive. Note I said sometimes: I know that sometimes it works well. But all too often it becomes far too stressful for both parties.

Could it be the teaching set up in that class is poor, but the rest of the school good? Might be best having a plan of what you think needs changing and approaching the head

@Wronglane I'm with you! DD is now y3. We read HP1 to her in Y1 and has now had the second and third read to her. She has listened to the audiobook several times and fully understands the story. She is not traumatised by this. She is obsessed! She wouldn't have been able to read it herself at that age but really enjoyed listening to them. All kids are different - who knew!

This is normal! Many children are working towards this in year one and most children work with numbers up to 20, some up to 50 and some up to 10 in year one. We play lots of games and learning activities based around numbers to twenty eg representing with numicon, base ten, pasta etc.

Lots of helpful comments - thank you. I think my main concern is that the 3 day a week teacher seems so weak and DS will be stuck with her for 2 years. The other 2 days a week are a revolving door of staff. The school was awarding outstanding in the last year for those that asked. We live in a very rural area so it's this school or private for options. I am not 'snooping' on the other kids attainment but I can't help but notice which book band they are on and have been on for 9 months! They are using read write Inc.

@usernotfound0000 thank god thought I’d entered a parallel universe where a kids book was viewed as highly inappropriate for kids….