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To think that most people actually do understand, and therefore support, home education...

552 replies

PennyRa · 05/12/2022 21:59

And it's just a loud minority that are ignorant?

OP posts:
Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:45

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 16:43

So despite these kids being SO neurodiverse that they cannot cope in mainstream school, they also can work independently for hours so their parents can both work full time jobs. I'm calling bullshit that parents work enough hours in the evenings to earn enough for the mortgage for a house in Bristol.

My child is neurotypical. He could and did cope in mainstream school.

You can call bullshit all you want, it makes no odds to me or my life.

FunctionalSkills · 06/12/2022 16:45

@Marytherese

Yes I've had the same experience from chatting to someone who runs a sporting activity re the home ed groups being chaos/rude etc.

I think some of the problems come from HE people thinking that those with objections "just don't really understand" in a "if they really knew about HE they'd think it wonderful" way.

Nope. I know a lot about HE and in most cases still do not think it wonderful. Especially in those ideologically committed to it.

I really do feel for those who have kids with Special Needs who have been let down by the system and end up HE as a best option. Its wrong we are failing so many.

FunctionalSkills · 06/12/2022 16:46

Oh sorry it was @ThighMistress who had the museum experience! I quoted the wrong poster.

BloodAndFire · 06/12/2022 16:48

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:45

My child is neurotypical. He could and did cope in mainstream school.

You can call bullshit all you want, it makes no odds to me or my life.

You'll be in that majority of parents (based on the DfE report) who homeschool for 'philosophical/religious' reasons then.

I wonder what it is you're so scared of your children hearing about.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:50

BloodAndFire · 06/12/2022 16:48

You'll be in that majority of parents (based on the DfE report) who homeschool for 'philosophical/religious' reasons then.

I wonder what it is you're so scared of your children hearing about.

Erm no, I've outlined my reasons in previous posts. If my son wants to go to school, or if he isn't thriving at home, I'll send him to school.

He mixes with schooled kids all the time. I don't keep him in a box!

Maybe open your mind a bit and accept that actually, my son is happy, my son is socialised, and my son is being educated.

OlympicProcrastinator · 06/12/2022 16:51

I see lots of home ed groups in my local area and have a friend who home schools. The one thing that stands out to me is the ‘socialisation’ is all under the watch of the parents, usually mothers.

There is no peer to peer interaction without the watchful gaze of an adult. No walking to and from school alone, messing around in the playground etc etc. I don’t think that is healthy for especially in the teenage years.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:52

Also we largely stick to the national curriculum as far as sit down learning goes, so I really don't know what the point of your post goes. I'm not philosophically committed to anything except the happiness and wellbeing of my own child.

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I'm British. I'm perfectly entitled to critique a culture I'm part of and live in. I have plenty of criticisms of the other part of my culture too, believe me. They simply weren't relevant to this thread.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:56

OlympicProcrastinator · 06/12/2022 16:51

I see lots of home ed groups in my local area and have a friend who home schools. The one thing that stands out to me is the ‘socialisation’ is all under the watch of the parents, usually mothers.

There is no peer to peer interaction without the watchful gaze of an adult. No walking to and from school alone, messing around in the playground etc etc. I don’t think that is healthy for especially in the teenage years.

Actually this I agree with, it was hard for me to find groups where the kids were doing their own thing together. We did do it but it was more of a challenge for sure.

MiniTheMinx · 06/12/2022 16:58

I home educated two neurotypical DS neither have SEN.

The school was excellent for 'socialisation' into being kicked, screamed at, watching others unable to moderate their own behaviour.....I could go on.to It was because of children who struggled and poor peer behaviour that I withdrew them.

My DC were precocious and neither lacked social skills, both were confused and worried about the behaviour they witnessed in primary school.

We registered as home educating and we had an inspection yearly. Both got brilliant reports. Now some years later Both boys talk fondly of their experiences visiting museums, going to galleries, the theatre, and cinema. They remember the books we read together and the project work they did. We did a mix of child led and curriculum utilising lots of resources. We mixed with others, they even attended lectures with me.

I ran an education business for much of the time and worked from home. When I wasn't at home I was in a school, and so I have some first hand experience of how many children are struggling with emotional dysreglation. Causes? numerous and the classroom is more about crowd control than learning.

Social skills develop from a secure base of attachment not from being thrown into chaos.

BloodAndFire · 06/12/2022 16:59

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 16:50

Erm no, I've outlined my reasons in previous posts. If my son wants to go to school, or if he isn't thriving at home, I'll send him to school.

He mixes with schooled kids all the time. I don't keep him in a box!

Maybe open your mind a bit and accept that actually, my son is happy, my son is socialised, and my son is being educated.

I've read your posts. I didn't see you giving any reasons for why you home educate your son.

I saw you saying that you come from a culture that values extended family. Combined with your username and your lack of explanation for why you home educate, I presume you do it for ideological reasons.

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 16:59

@Marytherese so if I, a single mum, wanted to homeschool, how would I go about it financially? Would you approve of me going on benefits for the purpose of home educating my children, or is having another parent who works (who presumably got the necessary qualifications from one of those awful school things) a requirement?
It's a privilege and you know it.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:01

BloodAndFire · 06/12/2022 16:59

I've read your posts. I didn't see you giving any reasons for why you home educate your son.

I saw you saying that you come from a culture that values extended family. Combined with your username and your lack of explanation for why you home educate, I presume you do it for ideological reasons.

My username is a reference from Friends 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. From The One Where Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister.

I'm not religious and neither is my family. Maybe don't make assumptions about people. And if you look towards the start of this thread I gave a post with my reasons, chief among them that we started homeschooling during lockdown and simply continued doing it when it was obvious how much happier our son was and how much progress he was making.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:02

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 16:59

@Marytherese so if I, a single mum, wanted to homeschool, how would I go about it financially? Would you approve of me going on benefits for the purpose of home educating my children, or is having another parent who works (who presumably got the necessary qualifications from one of those awful school things) a requirement?
It's a privilege and you know it.

Sorry but when did you see me say it wasn't a privilege? Not once did I ever say that.

Should I stop doing it because it's a privilege?

BloodAndFire · 06/12/2022 17:04

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:01

My username is a reference from Friends 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. From The One Where Chandler Can't Remember Which Sister.

I'm not religious and neither is my family. Maybe don't make assumptions about people. And if you look towards the start of this thread I gave a post with my reasons, chief among them that we started homeschooling during lockdown and simply continued doing it when it was obvious how much happier our son was and how much progress he was making.

I've been out at work most of the day so I may have missed some of the posts in 16 pages of this thread. Apologies for incorrect assumptions about your culture/religion.

heloiseandabe · 06/12/2022 17:06

PennyRa · 05/12/2022 21:59

And it's just a loud minority that are ignorant?

My relative home educated. Exams taken at the local private school. They've been able to excel in sports at county/national level. Though they're lucky finances allow them to do this.

I think you're wrong about the majority being understanding. They've taken to omitting they're homed educated in casual conversations with strangers to avoid the usual questions and judgements, which I imagine are wearing.
Apparently, unlike a lot of the parents, the children's peers are the most understanding and say they get little done at school with disruptive behaviour, and little, if anything, in way of individual help. Though those are state school pupils.

CowsInFields · 06/12/2022 17:09

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 16:13

Still waiting for someone to state how many people from lower socioeconomic economic backgrounds your home educated child meets and how it doesn't promote gender inequality.
Still waiting to hear how mums will keep educating kids at home when they're husband leaves and they have to get a full time job.

@Gagglestaggerhome same argument is used for grammar schools, same used for private schools.
Not all privileged children will meet children from low economic backgrounds and vice versa, not strictly for home Ed Grin

Also, there are single parents that home educate, not something unheard of.

heloiseandabe · 06/12/2022 17:09

I, a single mum, wanted to homeschool, how would I go about it financially? Would you approve of me going on benefits for the purpose of home educating my children,

I don't think you're allowed to use home education as a reason not to work. In fact I'm certain.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:10

I only know one religious HE family, and that isn't why they HE. In their case they do it because they feel their local state options are inadequate and they can't afford to pay for private school.

heloiseandabe · 06/12/2022 17:10

Also, there are single parents that home educate, not something unheard of.

Yes there are. I've only met a couple but they seem to be self employed in order to manage both working and teaching.

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 17:10

@Marytherese no, but there shouldn't be any notions of superiority that you are making the choice because you feels it's the best for all children. It works for you and your children as you are a woman who is able to stay at home due to your partners good job.
Therefore your argument is no different to someone saying 'we have a four bed house in the Cotswolds and it's great for us and our family'. It's not a choice that all or even the majority could make for financial reasons and therefore crass of you to boast about.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:11

heloiseandabe · 06/12/2022 17:09

I, a single mum, wanted to homeschool, how would I go about it financially? Would you approve of me going on benefits for the purpose of home educating my children,

I don't think you're allowed to use home education as a reason not to work. In fact I'm certain.

Not sure anyone has argued that you should, although some posters seem to be pretty angry at HE parents who can afford not to.

Marytherese · 06/12/2022 17:12

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 17:10

@Marytherese no, but there shouldn't be any notions of superiority that you are making the choice because you feels it's the best for all children. It works for you and your children as you are a woman who is able to stay at home due to your partners good job.
Therefore your argument is no different to someone saying 'we have a four bed house in the Cotswolds and it's great for us and our family'. It's not a choice that all or even the majority could make for financial reasons and therefore crass of you to boast about.

I never said it was best for all children either. In fact I explicitly stated the opposite. You must be getting me confused with someone else. I haven't got moral superiority over any parent who sends their child to school. Why would I believe that I did?

Gagglestaggerhome · 06/12/2022 17:13

@heloiseandabe self employed doing what and when?
Surely if you're putting your all into teaching your kids, you can't work eight hours in the evening.
That would be like a teacher doing a shift in Aldi after finishing at 5/6/7. Not possible.