To think no one can name a single positive benefit of Brexit

[measuringmylifeincoffeespoons]

Just that really. I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be increasing coverage and evidence of the harm and cost of Brexit. Can anyone point to a positive benefit?

And if in the unlikelihood that you can come up with a positive can you hold it up to the many damaging negatives and explain why it was worth it.

They keep kicking the final shit show into the long grass full import checks.

This post is funny if you read it in the voice of John Cleese.

😂😂😂

I'm baffled that people think getting a passport stamp is a benefit. The additional time to turn pages of passports and stamp all members of a vehicle is what has caused the huge delays at ferry terminals during holiday periods.

We would have been absolutely fucked through Covid we never would have got the vaccines we did and the country would be In a bad way now. Is that enough for you

@tunthebloodyalarmoff do you really genuinely think that?

Other than there being no evidence that EU countries have done worse than us and other than we were operating under EU regulations at the time, I'm sure you have a good reason to spout this nonsense.

FFS. It's like bloody Groundhog Day.

It's all relative, but a return to more localised politics (one country not 28) and accountability to the British people, compared to continent-wide centralisation. No-one is saying our politicians are perfect, but I prefer UK laws to be specifically designed for the UK's circumstances on each issue, rather than a one-size-fits-all determined in Brussels.

Being an independent country isn't about refusing to become a better place and revelling in being able to pollute, discriminate and stagnate. With the freedoms of Brexit come responsibilities, and it's up to us to make this a clean, efficient, equitable, prosperous and generous country. It is a myth that the EU saved us from some kind of careless, immoral pit. Just one example, the EU recently 'recognising that animals are sentient' yet there have been British animal welfare laws for over 100 years. Women's rights in the UK - The Sex Discrimination Removal Act of 1920, the Equal Pay Act of 1970, the Abortion Act of 1967. Worker's Rights - the Factory Act of 1833, the Disabled Persons Employment Act of 1944. Environmental Law such as the Public Health Act of 1848 and the Clean Air Act 1965. The Magna Carta of 1215. All these and many other UK laws of decent human behaviour were, of course, established before the EU existed. Had we not been drawn into the EU, it is very possible that we would have progressed more quickly on all these issues.

Not being increasingly involved in the EU's empire building (yes I know, British Empire, but two wrongs don't make a right). The EU's goal, even when it was disguised as a 'Coal and Steel Community' and then a 'Common Market' has always been a one-way move to 'ever closer union' aka a superstate. I think it is very sensible to keep our own right to authority over our own affairs, in the same way that you can collaborate with other people without living with them or getting married to them.

and accountability to the British people

We are still stuck with the same government that pissed 30 billion into thin air and guaranteed an extra 2% on interest rates for the next decade.

Come back and talk about "accountability" when you have some clues.

Yes but we can vote the Tories out. We couldn't vote the EU out.

The Daily Mail said that. Even Wikipedia state the DM is an unreliable source.

You could vote for different MEPs if people decided to take more interest in European policies and politics.
Voting the EU out is like saying let's vote all of parliament out. Its not the same, is it.

Bah the question about Brexit was what kind of Britain people wanted.

They have given their answer. They want third rate tub thumpers who make business more difficult, pick diplomatic fights to please their prejudices, increased tax for less, blue passports and sotto racism to be less sotto.

Politics is about delivery. They have delivered a worse quality of life for more money. The progressive ideas and laws cited below where the work of liberal and socialist government, not a bunch of right wing loons.

Yes but we can vote the Tories out. We couldn't vote the EU out.

We just fucking did. Isn't it past your bedtime ?

We can't vote the MEPs of other countries out. And the President of the EU isn't elected by anyone.

Six years! Still the same platitudes and bullshit. There was a whole Ministry set up to find these advantages. Someone was paid shitloads of £££ to find these advantages. Zilch.

On some radio station this lunchtime there was a government sponsored ad about some department or other which can help you make business in the Middle East. Because now we can’t make business easily with those countries on our doorstep, in Europe. This is so fucked up.

Yes there is a benefit to Brexit. Not having to compete with 2000 other hopefuls for a job position. In my field at least, job competition was fierce before Brexit, now it’s much more relaxed. Still no walk in the park but definitely easier. That whole dog-eat-dog world was enough to fill you with anxiety. And it made employers fucking cheeky and picky.
And no, I didn’t vote for Brexit.

If this were an interview you could ask, what did you do, and how did it improve matters?

I note absolutely NONE of the Cabinet from 2019 to the present have EVER answered that.

Two aspects icw VAT

• Tampon tax has been abolished (EU reached consensus it should go, but AFAIK still haven't done it)
• School fees could be taxed (that's nothing to do with charitable status, it's about ending the exemption that is required of EU members)

Tampons reduced, but companies kept the money and did not reduce prices.

Well, men, children and post menopausal women everywhere must feel heartened by this tremendous gain for the UK

amp.theguardian.com/culture/2022/nov/22/just-28-million-people-visited-live-festival-of-brexit-events-organisers-say Do you remember the Festival of Brexit? Wasn’t that a fucking waste of money!

But unemployment was very low pre Brexit, jobs have gone in sectors post Brexit (7500 in finance)and our children have lost the whole of Europe to apply for jobs or attend Uni. Then there is there is the economic impact of Brexit that is going to impact the job market and the jobs lost from EU funding….

What Brexit defenders still don’t understand is that the EU has moved on. There was sympathy in 2016 that lies had been told and believed. But when the UK voted in 2019 to ‘Get Brexit Done’ with Johnson, that sympathy ran out.

Brexit is past tense in Europe, they are looking ahead to Moldova and Ukraine joining, as these are candidate countries. The EU has many challenges ahead and Brexit/UK is low priority. Brexiteers need to figure a way out of this alone but it is a great pity that you drag the UK down with you.

It's not Brexiters that don't understand that the EU has moved on. It's remainers.