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My very needy DM

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HTruffle · 03/12/2022 21:47

I’m hoping some of you can help me on what to do regarding my DM and holidays.

My DM is 71 and a difficult character. I would describe her as having quite extreme victim mentality even though she has, and has had a reasonably easy life and has no real reasons to act this way. My DF died many years ago although they were not close and my DM spent many an hour talking to me and my sibling as children about his perceived failings.
My DMs attitude to life is either ‘woe is me’ or ‘I can’t do that’. This applies to almost everything despite the fact that she is, physically and intelligence wise, quite capable. For example she has given up driving because she is ‘old’. She is physically capable of driving and has no problem reading road signs. She just does this with everything, putting everything to arm’s length. Typical things for her to say would be ‘I can’t get the bus, the step on is too high’, yet she has no physical issues that would stop her climbing on a bus. ‘I can’t eat crusty bread, my teeth aren’t up to it’ – even though she has spent a fortune on private dentistry and has excellent quality implants. These constant issues rarely have any basis and are absolutely incessant, she could mention many things like this a day.
‘I can’t fill in forms, you’ll have to do it for me’ even with the simplest of things eg a name & address, she won’t consider it, says she’ll ‘go to pieces’ etc.
She also has anxiety and my sibling and I have provided much support with this including attending GP apt with her (at her request), encouraging counselling, reminding her to take Ads (prescribed).
On top of this, she doesn’t have a good word to say about anyone. She has a couple of friends, but you wouldn’t know they were friends from the ways she talks about them – focusing on their bad points, delighted to tell you if there’s been a family fallout. She has a very good, kind neighbour who has done a lot for her – particularly over lockdown, and yet she will rant on about how awful & self absorbed she is over & over again.
On top of this she is exceedingly repetitive, despite having very little of substance to say. We have questioned whether she has some sort of dementia, but it was not picked up at her GP appts despite my informing them of the above, and this has all been going on for 10 years plus (albeit worsening in recent years).
Her social life, apart from the neighbour mentioned above, consists solely of my sibling and I. We see her at least twice a week (live in same town). My sibling at least once every two weeks. She will not drive or use any form of transport other than our cars. She refuses to get a bus, train, taxi, anything. However she frequently points out that she would be fine getting on any of the above if I was with her.

Despite the frequency that we see her, every time will open with a barbed comment about how long it is since she has seen my children (7 & 5).

My issue now is this. I have sort of made my peace with the frequency we see her and the frustrations linked to the above. But my DH, children and I would like to start going on slightly more adventurous holidays (nothing major, just Europe or maybe US, etc). My mum drops endless hints about how much she would love to come on these hypothetical holidays. Endless comments about how nice it would be to have some sun to look forward to. Looking up at planes and sighing theatrically about how she’d love to be going somewhere nice. This coming from the woman who can’t get on a bus to the next village but will gladly hop aboard a plane if I ‘take her’.
I feel very, very claustrophobic about the situation and backed into a corner – I feel quite sure that she would spoil any holidays for the most part, If she were to come with us, I just know she would want to spend every minute of the day with me. She would not be confident enough to join any activities solo, or even go for a walk, I am sure of it. I wouldn’t be able to relax or enjoy the time with my DH for her being there. However, the idea of telling her that we are going on one without her seems unthinkable such is the pressure I feel under. I am sure that the stress she makes me feel, makes me a worse parent as well – having to listen to her tales while looking after my two children makes me far less patient and dare I say snappy with everyone.

Suggestions welcome, many thanks. Sorry it’s so long!

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Lbnc2021 · 04/12/2022 10:42

My mother was like this. I’ve not spoken to her for nearly a year, it’s been bliss.

Mary46 · 04/12/2022 10:45

They like babies op. She wants her hand held. I had step back. You be run ragged.

humblebeedle · 04/12/2022 11:16

My relationship has some similarities. I distance myself and tell her why.

She needs to realise I have boundaries and if she wants to spend time with me she has to behave.

I would not be going on holiday but would also say why. Up to her what she wants to do with the information.

My mum used to get angry, strop off, lie, cry, etc but I think she’s realised she would end up lonely. Shining a light on the behaviour helped me. But I was also tired of spending time with her so had nothing to lose if she cut contact.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 04/12/2022 12:18

I wouldn’t completely rule out dementia as people do mask the early symptoms with making something the suddenly find difficult a “choice” to give up (driving/paperwork etc). However it sounds like your Dad was probably propping her up for years. I also advise that you start talking to her about POA if she wants you to do her paperwork.

I get how you are envious of people with perfectly capable older parents who they have good relationships with. Sometimes this really isn’t a question of choice, we all age at different rates, and health and genetics play a big role. And while it’s wonderful to here how other posters on her a renovating their children’s houses at the same age that doesn’t exactly help those of us who are taking on more responsibility for our parents.

Do not go on holiday with her, it will be an expensive and leave you exhausted! You can do as much practical help as possible but are not responsible for her happiness. I am sure you would never have the same expectations of your children.

billy1966 · 04/12/2022 12:55

OP, look into FOG (Fear, obligation, guilt).

You have ALL of this going on.

You do NOT owe this woman your childrens childhood.

I appreciate I may be a freak to some but we have NEVER gone on holiday with friends and family, and have never wanted to.

Holidays have always been about down time for us and I have zero interest in the accommodation of others whilst on them.

We love and see enough of our families/friends but have no wish to do holidays.

This may change as our children no longer wish to come with us, but for now it works for us.

She could live another 20 years!

Years ago my friend had a PiTA mother like yours, never a good word to say about anyone. One day after visiting, bringing her children to visit, food and shopping she forgot something and let herself back in.

You can imagine the rest🙄.
Never a good idea to listen outside.
She tore strips off her, but made a snide comment about her son in his new spec's!

She left unnoticed and told me some weeks later it was a gift.

She pulled back.

She decided what she was now prepared to do and did that.

She certainly no longer restricted her childrens activities so that she was visiting 4 times a week.

Her mother lived until she was in her 90's and was giving out to the end.
Fortunately her last decade was in a nursing home.

Get counselling.
Strengthen your boundaries.
Don't put her ahead of your children, husband, and yourself.
You WILL regret it if you do.

Your family deserve the best of you.

HTruffle · 04/12/2022 19:15

Thank you @billy1966

I think you are right.

I’m really glad I posted on here. I think to some extent, although I’m well aware of how absurd it is, I’ve been in some sort of denial. It feels quite hard to face the reality of having to change my attitude but I think I must.

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YukoandHiro · 04/12/2022 19:23

Stand your ground. These holidays are your family time. Your mum gets enough of you and clearly doesn't bother doing anything to help herself. As others have said I suspect she talks about you and your sibling the way she talks about others behind their backs, despite everything you do. Do not let her drag you down and put up boundaries to protect your space.
How does your DH feel about your DM? Would he let you blame it on him?

pinkfondu · 04/12/2022 19:27

You have to choose not to feel guilty, you are allowed a holiday without her. It is not unreasonable just because she says it is

BirdSou · 04/12/2022 19:35

My Mum is the same age and although very capable, just isn't. She is also a very anxious person, worse in the last year or so and I find myself biting my tongue over the same barbed comments as you!
However, when on the (occasional) holiday with us she is usually a lot less negative and happy to just muddle along with us while we do stuff with the kids, so it works.
I also go on the odd 2-3 European city break with her alone so don't feel (quite so) guilty when she's not invited on the family holiday that year.
Underneath it all I know she loves us to bits and genuinely don't think she can help the negativity/anxiety, so that fuels my patience.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 04/12/2022 19:37

I'm thinking you need to step back from being responsible for your mother's happiness. Stop facilitating her refusal to do things for herself, she can do these things she just chooses not to. You need to reframe the relationship and have some boundaries. You have a DP and young family that needs your attention make them and your own happiness your priority.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 04/12/2022 19:42

I also think lockdowns and pandemic have made many people especially older people more anxious and fearful of life in general. My DM and MIL are both fit, capable people but pay a lot of attention to the news and it makes them think everything outside is dangerous and scary.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/12/2022 19:53

"my DM spent many an hour talking to me and my sibling as children about his perceived failings."
Honestly, that one statement told me all I needed to know about your motherSad. You say you were only about ten? Although TBH, there is no age at which that could be considered appropriate. So don't go worrying about dementia - her bad behaviour goes a long, long way back. It is who she is now, and who she always was. @billy1966 has given you some very good advice here. Let "you do NOT owe this woman your children's childhood" be the words you live by! All I can add is - bluntness is your friend. If she goes in a sulk and stops talking to you - well that would be a win in my book.

And - enjoy your holiday. Never, ever take her with you.

CrackingcheeseWallace · 04/12/2022 20:11

@Escapingafter50years I had never heard of parentification before and have just googled what it means 😳 what an eye opener. I think I need a therapist...

Cherrysoup · 04/12/2022 20:18

forrestgreen · 03/12/2022 23:22

Weaponised incompetence is how it was worded to me about my dm. I've forced her into doing things now,

Mine is the same. She moans about never hearing from her grandchildren, but persistently ‘forgets’ how to use WhatsApp, despite repeatedly being shown how. Since my dad died, other family members have totally enabled her incompetence to the point she won’t even phone the gardener. It drives me nuts, glad I’m hours away.

I think you need some boundaries, @HTruffle or your DH is going to be increasingly pissed off. It’s fine for him to not want your dm on family holidays.

Dionysiana · 04/12/2022 20:35

Haven’t read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned. My mum also moans a lot about the kind of minor/imaginary health issues which are only to be expected with age, but she also fantasises frequently about coming to stay (I live abroad). My answer is to tell her that my house is unsuitable for the frail and unwell (stone floors, no bedrooms downstairs, no upstairs bathroom) and there’s no reciprocal healthcare. Hoist, petard and so on. The obvious backstory is that she was a horrible mother and remains a horrible person. I happily host other, nicer elderly people. Perhaps you could use the healthcare excuse?

Whitewolf2 · 04/12/2022 20:38

We took my parents on holiday earlier this year on a holiday we were all meant to go on in 2020 and my mum didn’t enjoy it. Our kids are similar age to yours and wanted to be with other kids at the kids clubs, or having fun in the sea. My Mum in particular was quite bored, didn’t want to do activities, got horrible heat rash and had a fall. I felt really bad for her, though she also has some of the narcassic tendencies you mention! I’d really try and dissuade your mum, explain your holiday won’t be as much fun for her as you think…

ForeverWeBlend · 04/12/2022 20:42

Same with my DM. But I had one of those moments a few years ago when she was complaining away about my many failings - I realised that there had never been a day in my life when I'd been good enough for her. Doesn't matter what I do, she will always be unhappy with me. So I just stopped doing everything. And I mean everything. COVID was a massive help because it completely changed contact levels. Her level of unhappiness is the same. My level of happiness is massively improved because I no longer have to see her daily and live with her continual moaning and entitlement. Problem solved. Try it.

Mary46 · 04/12/2022 21:02

My sisters family time is their own. No apologies for it. Im same. If u do it once they expect it.. my mother wants her own way on breaks so no !

MzHz · 04/12/2022 21:09

underneaththeash · 03/12/2022 22:45

Mum - we’d love to take you, but if you don’t feel you’re able to ‘get the bus/drive/etc’ you won’t manage it.

my mother in law is similar, we take her away in the U.K. once a year for 3 days and she’s difficult, but she enjoys it

I’d not even say that.. shyster play strategically dumb and oblivious. Book it and don’t look back.

stop looking for permission to live your life @HTruffle

MzHz · 04/12/2022 21:09

Not shyster! Just was what I meant to write! Bloody autocorrect!

MzHz · 04/12/2022 21:11

HTruffle · 03/12/2022 23:12

Thanks for your input. I agree that offering a separate, much shorter alternative might be a good option.

Oh god no! Don’t do this to yourselves!

MuggleMe · 04/12/2022 21:13

If this was a child, you'd be firmly supporting them to be more capable and independent. Let's take the bus together into town for a mooch and a cuppa. You fill in xyz form and shout if you're not sure about it while I tidy the kitchen.

Definitely don't go on holiday with her. Her happiness (not that it'll make her happy) does not trump yours.

People end up hardwiring their brains to be negative and defeatist.

gamerchick · 04/12/2022 21:18

'ma, you can't even get on a bus, don't think the kinds of holidays we're going on will be up your street' and change the subject.

HTruffle · 05/12/2022 06:20

MzHz · 04/12/2022 21:09

I’d not even say that.. shyster play strategically dumb and oblivious. Book it and don’t look back.

stop looking for permission to live your life @HTruffle

Thank you.

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HTruffle · 05/12/2022 06:24

gamerchick · 04/12/2022 21:18

'ma, you can't even get on a bus, don't think the kinds of holidays we're going on will be up your street' and change the subject.

This is the sort of conversation I have in my head!!
It’s just so frustrating - constant negativity that she’s said to herself over the years, all the things that she’s told herself are too frightening or difficult, she truly believes now. Yet in the next breath she’s hinting to come with us on long haul holidays that would include all kinds of activities

All this has, on the plus side, made me very very determined never to make my children feel like this.

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