To think Keir Starmer is bullying Rishi at PMQs?

[Keirplayfair]

Have been watching PMQs the past few weeks with my son because he is fascinated by the House of Commons at the moment.

Have been noticing the past three weeks that Keir's first questions to Rishi are incredibly personal, they feel more personal than usual to a PM.

Sort of examples I mean... (gist of questions not exact wording).

Last week:
Keir: well done on England and Wales in the world Cup. Rishi should we reorganise the non-dom loophole that you must know a lot about to bring in more tax?

Today:
Keir: well done England, hope we will say the same next week, commiserations to Wales. Winchester College costs £45K a year in fees. Down the road in Southampton, 4 out of 10 kids fail English and Maths at GCSEs.

Yes we know Rishi is rich, went to Winchester College, yes Keir is asking questions about the economy, wealth distribution but it just feels very... personal.

Has anyone else noticed this??

I'm not a Conservative voter by the way, sort of a floater but I feel that Keir's questions are being asked to try to throw Rishi off balance in a very personal way.

Of course the PM isn't getting bullied. Don't be so ridiculous.
Ffs.

Many voters don't know much about politics/polititians, so they aren't fully aware about Sunaks tax loophole, privilege, wealth, undermining national institutions (nhs), and preference for giving money to his wealthier constituents, and mates. So good for KS, it reminds RS, if nothing else, that his hypocrisy isn't far from KS thoughts and spreads the word.

KS was patronised and ridiculed on his record at DPP relentlessly by bojo of all people. This from the imbecile who was foreign secretary and caused more harm than good, (Nazanin Zagari Radcliffe), ducked into a fridge to avoid answering questions by reporters, and apparently shagging his way out of another marriage/relationship.

I listened to some of the house of commons exchanges and if bojo was trying to make a point it was lost on me because I realised what an utter buffoon he was/is. Lots of words, Eton accent, little substance , ignoring his own conceit, deceit, and fraud. All played out by adults whose behaviour wouldn't be acceptable in a school playground.

He doesn't have any advantage from speaking in court, which is one of the driest, most boring, places to spend your time. Cue thre minutes between questions. He's a cold, passionless, boring old fish. I mean, is anyone even still awake after his six questions? You'd have to be diehard Labour or Tory supporter to find anything admirable in the performance of either of these two at PMQ.

Exactly what sort of "comeback" could Sunak made that would be remotely credible?

I think the issue Kier is trying to raise awareness about is how out of touch the PM is with the everyday people of the country and the issues they face. This needs pointing out in a clear, simple and direct way, because the general British public so easily fall for charm and charisma and are unable to connect the dots for themselves to see the truth of the situation 🙄…

What Kier is saying is true, the rich do find loopholes to legally avoid tax, and Rishi is unlikely to give 2 scoobies about the schooling and education of the peasants children… Why would he?

Is this really the right man to be running our country?

Look at all the strikes going on, about to be going on, railway, nurses, Royal Mail and on the news think I saw something tonight about paramedics going into strike soon as well. The country is on its arse at the moment. Does Rishi increase these people’s wages to a fair wage they are asking for… NOPE

Does Rishi actually give a shit about the NHS nurses? ( he pays for private healthcare, so doesn’t affect him or his family).

The irony is many of these people striking are the foolish people who voted in conservatives to start with 🙄

He doesn't have any advantage from speaking in court, which is one of the driest, most boring, places to spend your time. Cue thre minutes between questions. He's a cold, passionless, boring old fish. I mean, is anyone even still awake after his six questions? You'd have to be diehard Labour or Tory supporter to find anything admirable in the performance of either of these two at PMQ

This is exactly what I was saying. No one wants truth or sense at PMQs, they want entertainment. Won’t be long before we’re voting someone off every week.

Its not what he says. Its his delivery. Keir is just not a credible leader. He comes across as a petulant child and is so smarmy lawyer in his delivery. No charisma. I wish labour would wake the fuck up. I haven't got anything good to say about the tories either currently but oh my god talk about being given the plate and just dropping it on the floor.

Kier isn’t poor either. Obviously not rich to the same scale but is worth millions, so not exactly in touch with people who are currently struggling to heat their homes.

No but we are taking £7mil compared to Rishi’s £750mil. There is a difference.

But it’s still £7m more than most people have. If the PM had £7m and KS average savings, do you think he would still be attacking RS for not knowing what the average person was feeling like at the moment

I also bet KS won’t be sending his DC to failing schools

You have been incredibly selective here OP.

Starmer questioned Sunak on why his old school had just been given £6m of tax payers money when there are kids down the road failing GCSEs and could that money have been better spent on the state school system and not private… how can this ever be seen as ‘bullying’???

You're never going to get serious discourse at PMQs. It's not a place for answers. It doesn't have enough time allotted to feed back tons of figures and intricate detail. It's a blunt tool to make big points. Then they do detailed policy releases separately. Neither of these two, though, have sufficient charisma that tv audiences will pay attention to them for any length of time. That's why they're always looking to land a newsworthy punch at PMQs.

Yes but KS came from humble beginnings. 6 of them in a three bedroom house. Went to a normal school. Sunak can't say he was sent to Winchester because his parents 'worked hard' 🙄🤔. Most people know that the average doctor and pharmacist couldn't afford to send two (three?) kids to boarding school and then help them buy property in Kensington and Chelsea the year after graduating uni. He's very disingenuous with that faux humble story he comes out with.

No but we are taking £7mil compared to Rishi’s £750mil. There is a difference.

Having £7m in the bank and a knighthood does not actually make you a man of the people! I think once you've got several million in the bank and you have no money worries, it's sort of immaterial to most people exactly how many millions they have. Neither of them are more in touch than the other with how my life is being lived.

When Sunak scoffs that he doesn't know any working class people I think we need to pay attention to that. Hell, the guy admitted diverting money from deprived urban areas.

Yes but KS came from humble beginnings. 6 of them in a three bedroom house.

He might have come from humble beginnings, I don't know his life history, but this isn't proof of it. 😁 In the 1960s sharing a bedroom with your siblings was pretty common.

His mum was ill. He's self-made. Definitely more in touch than the kid who's known unimaginable privilege from day one and went to schools where they teach you that you're elite and the rest of us are subhuman

Highlighting why the current pm is unsuitable to be running the country, using specific examples which show how he personally is benefitting from inequality or unfair loopholes which are inaccessible by the majority of the public - isn't bullying, he has moral obligation to do so

It is quite literally his job - and avoiding certain issues because they could be seen as criticising personal circumstances would be a dereliction of duty

PMQs has always been a big bun fight of personal attacks.

Not new to them! Won't say why!!

Ok, Rishi

This is a very good point! Out of the two of them I would say KS has more understanding of what is going on with the working class than Rishi…

And for those saying Rishi is the best leader because he’s got charisma 🤨… hmmm ok so the best leaders of countries in history always have charisma do they?? 🤦‍♀️

When will people realise that choosing who to vote for is not some high school popularity test, it shouldn’t be about who has the more likeable personality, who’s the most handsome, and who’s got the prettiest most popular wife, who has the best hair… We are not voting for prom king in high school people🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️.

We are voting for who has the better understanding, empathy, and judgment to run a country fairly and wisely. The questions we should be asking when we decide who to vote for should be ‘who is going to benefit from these people being in power?’… Am I going to benefit if this party gets in? will my family be better off? Will services like schools and NHS improve if I vote this party in? Who’s going to be more likely to give people a fair wage? Who’s more likely to put a fair limit on the greedy power companies?

Wake up people, the ONLY people who benefit from conservatives are the people like them selves. If your not an upper class twat with more money than sense then please, please stop voting these assholes in ffs🤦‍♀️

I wish I had more faith in the British public for a smidgen of hope for the next elections, but I feel that the this generation has been dumbed down so so much, and are drip fed the biased conservative media bollocks everyday and so are just unable to think for themselves. I just don’t have hope anymore for the future. Things are going to get worse and worse. I mean look we are at the stage now where nurses are striking among many other sectors… That’s scary. And then Rishi is saying they can’t afford to pay nurses a fair wage (has he forgot how hard they worked in the pandemic? Does he even give a shit?? … nope, no he doesn’t).

But I would be willing to bet the very same nurses who are striking right now, if there was an election tomorrow the majority would still vote conservative. Isn’t it a sign of madness to do the same thing again and again and expect a different result?? If we haven’t learnt by now how much conservatives fuck up the country, then we never will.

Rishi is charismatic? He's like a wet fish.

Rishi is a hypocrite who is giving millions to Ukraine yet his wife is receiving dividends from her fathers company still operating in Russia.And she gave Mrs Zelensky a warm hug on Monday.

Rishi's old boss Sir Chris Hohn has just given himself a £792 million bonus.These are the sorts of people Rishi is interested in not children at failing schools.

Like @Passthecheeseboard I despair of most of the electorate quite frankly.

Given some of the posts on here I'm coming to the conclusion that it was a mistake to film PMQs too. It isn't bloody Strictly or IACGMOOH, but given some of the insistence on focusing on personalities I wonder what some people think about when they decide how to cast their votes.

Doesn't Sunak engage in the north London lefties rhetoric? The Tories are vile and Kier has them on the defensive. Sunak is appalling at PMQs.

Give over op. Tories, for months on end, lowering the tone, behaving appallingly - Boris Johnson's behaviour in question time base and despicable. Then, when labour hit back with just a fraction of the force, out come the same posts - "oh, I say, by George, isn't that Keir starmer chap crossing the line just a bit. I mean, manners and decency, what what? I'm not political myself, no no, not at all, but there's just something about labours current behaviour which just pushed me over the edge, forced me to adopt this user name and compelled me to post about it here.'

Face it op, your boss is getting a weekly pasting at pmq and it's marvellous to see.