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Dads behaviour and relationship since my mum died

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Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 16:07

As a background, my dad has always told me he was bisexual. He has had both male and female relationships during his life, but since 1985 had been with my mum. Sadly she passed away from cancer last year after a short battle with the disease. They were happy, but dad had periods of time in prison for fraud, obtaining funds by deception etc. The last time he was in prison was in 2015 for 6 months. He missed his own 70th, my DS1s 1st and my 30th. I was also aware that my dad was messaging men explicit messages while with my mum because on occasion he would accidentally send them to me.
My mum passed away in October 2021 and in january of this year dad declared he had met someone; a 28 year old young man that he'd bumped into in a hotel and they'd got chatting. Things seemed to escalate quickly, with the chap visiting my dad's home and staying for periods of time. Whereas my dad had said my children and I couldn't sit in my mums chair, this chap could which upset me. They went out for lots of dinners etc but he assured me that they were splitting bills and that actually his new partner was from a wealthy background studying a PhD so had no need to gold dig. A couple of months in, dad told me that his partner had asked him to move up to Manchester to be with him. I suggested this wasn't a good idea, he'd be far away from all friends and family. He told me that he wouldn't, then said he was using some money from my mums estate to buy the house he was in so that we could inherit it when the time came. A month later my dad called me begging for money saying that he needed it for a house exchange in Manchester. I refused. I had no money to offer and I didn't approve of him moving up there. He told me that the relationship had then ended because of that. A few weeks later dad called saying he was getting death threats etc from a man he owed money to. I had calls from neighbours and strangers (I live 3 hrs from dad) saying he owed them money, that he'd taken deposits from people for them to move into the house only for him to then disappear etc. I then found out he hadn't bought the house he was in at all. He's spent all of my mums estate (nearly £600k) and the remainder in shares he can't release. He's spent savings my mum had built up for my children, he's also spent a house deposit mum had left to me. He stole money from my uncle (my mums brother) including off of bank cards, credit cards etc while he was in hospital and my uncle has since died. My cousins now hate my dad and have cut him off. I have now found that the partner was an escort. Dad tells me he never met him as an escort but during the time they were together this guy would msg him asking for money and dad would give it, selling and stealing whatever he could. It also transpires the guy was 20,not 28. My dad is 77.

I am the only person my dad has left. I feel guilty because I don't want him with us at Christmas as I hate him for what he's done. He's my dad and I love him but he's driven a truck through my mums memory and made a mess of our lives. Do I invite him for Christmas? Or do i stick to my guns. AIBU?

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jtaeapa · 28/11/2022 19:19

I’m sorry but the bottom line is that he is an evil, lying abusive monster. At 77 the chances of him changing are zero. I would cut him off for good. You need to grieve the loss of your mum and also grieve the fact that you never had a father.

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 19:19

Bizarrely the policeman has just text me asking if I'm in touch with my dad and if I've heard anything.

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Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 19:21

@jtaeapa when i was a young child we were so close. So many pictures of us goofing around. He was always such a clown. He had a temper, he would smack, sometimes too hard and he used to drink (he's been sober for 30 yrs). His deceitful has been a constant. I just struggle to separate the happy, goofy dad from the other side of him.

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MontyK · 28/11/2022 19:22

He's the master of deception isn't he? God knows what's truth and what is lies. He told you that he'd blown the 600k but can only account for 100k and a night in a fancy hotel?

Unless you've seen the bank statements I'd bet he's got plenty stashed away and he just gets off on ripping people off - his own daughter included!

However I do understand how hard it is to cut him out completely. He's your Dad and for all his wrong doings you still love him.

Do you have siblings?

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 19:23

@MontyK I have a half brother on my mums side. I don't talk to him and he doesn't talk to my dad. He has his own issues with my father. I had another half brother in my mums side but he died 3 years ago from cancer and he was the world to me. My dad has another daughter from a previous relationship but they're estranged and haven't spoken for about 40 yrs.

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Soothsayer1 · 28/11/2022 19:47

*do I not need to give him sympathy because it's not his fault?
whatever you give him he will use it to open a pipeline through which to bleed you dry, he's a vampire searching for victims to feed from

InternetRandom · 28/11/2022 20:02

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 19:19

Bizarrely the policeman has just text me asking if I'm in touch with my dad and if I've heard anything.

Such bad vibes from this guy. Either ignore this entirely or just text back 'No'. He is not on your side.

Notbeinfunnehbut · 28/11/2022 20:06

Just reading this I can’t really offer better advice than has already been given,

just big hugs and do not give him anymore money plz you’ve been so accepting of his very seedy lifestyle, you done enough prioritise yourself

WifeMotherWorker · 28/11/2022 20:07
  1. Please don’t give your pitiful excuse of a father any more money. Hame has burned through £600k in 12 months, has a history of fraud and spent time in jail!!
  2. Go low contact.
  3. Don’t invite him for Christmas.
  4. Block the Policeman, there is something seriously up with his messages.
  5. Look at reporting him/taking him to court to try and get back some of what is rightfully yours.

You, your DH and DC do not need this man in your life.

What a messy life you’ve had. Good luck with dealing with this emotional shit storm x

Franklyfrost · 28/11/2022 20:20

Have a look at antisocial personality disorder (the DSM-5 criteria). The way you describe the deception, lack of consideration for others and the superficial charm is textbook.
I don’t think you have to feel sorry for him if he has APD, I think you would have to accept that he’s not going to change (and that he’s lying about your mother’s will).
It’s not your job to accommodate your dad no matter how he behaves. If you were someone I knew and you explained why you weren’t seeing your dad at Christmas it would make total sense. Good luck.

Zilla1 · 28/11/2022 20:21

Depends on the detail but don't discount the maladministration of the estate. If there were banks and solicitors involved, it can be worth kicking the tyres to see they can demonstrate the standards expected by Regulators in the releasing of funds and to protect any interest in the property. Any mis-steps can rarely lead to beneficiaries being put in the position they should have been.

saffy7 · 28/11/2022 20:24

I wouldn't invite him and I'd be calling the police if he has defrauded you of money (that's if your mum had a will and he has ignored it).

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 20:26

@Franklyfrost should I be pushing for a diagnosis? Or will they not do that at this age?

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Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 20:27

@Zilla1 would this count if no property was involved (ie a house). They rent so we're literally looking at money, which was inherited from my late brother (mums son). I never saw her will. She only talked about it.

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Motherofalittledragon · 28/11/2022 20:35

I would be NC with him, if he's on his own for Christmas it's only because he's brought it upon himself, he's a deceitful man.

Summerfun54321 · 28/11/2022 20:46

This is all really dark. Protect yourself and your kids from any more exposure to his immoral behaviour. You don’t owe him a relationship, he’s had plenty of chances throughout your life to build a healthy one with you and he’s repeatedly failed. That’s all on him.

Summerfun54321 · 28/11/2022 20:47

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 19:19

Bizarrely the policeman has just text me asking if I'm in touch with my dad and if I've heard anything.

Block this number unless you know exactly who it is and that they are trustworthy.

Overandunderit · 28/11/2022 20:55

Your father is an emotionally abusive lying manipulative con man. If he's on his own at Christmas it's the least he deserves. Cut him from your life OP. You owe him nothing.

Changechangychange · 28/11/2022 21:01

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 20:26

@Franklyfrost should I be pushing for a diagnosis? Or will they not do that at this age?

Nobody is going to diagnose him unless he is pushing for a diagnosis for himself - he’s an adult with capacity. It’s also very unlikely to change his behaviour, the treatment would be lots of therapy which he almost certainly would never engage with.

If he realises this is a potential pressure point for you, I’m sure he’ll try to screw you out of more money to pay for his completely fictitious therapy bills though. I honestly wouldn’t even bring it up with him, he’ll just use it to con more money out of you.

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 21:02

He's not spoken to me since the 25th where we had a bust up on WhatsApp and basically he told me to "stop it". Given he apparently has no other friends and he's lonely I'm struggling to see how then he is still on WhatsApp at all times of the day. I suspect he is messaging other men (I know he's a subscriber to an escort website...) and that's why he's on WhatsApp at all hours but I don't know.

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Soothsayer1 · 28/11/2022 21:04

should I be pushing for a diagnosis?
NOPE
he's not your child, he's gaslighting hard to make you feel as if you should take him on as your burden
DONT
let him lie in the bed he made for himself, let him reap what he sowed

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 21:05

@Changechangychange I referred him to adult social care because at one point I thought he was a risk to himself. He has weekly psych chats but in his words "we have a nice chat, we laugh and talk but afterwards everything is still the same". He refused to talk about certain things with the psych saying they were "private". He doesn't seem to want to engage with anyone. He just wants to pretend like nothing has happened.

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JasperJohnsPaintbrush · 28/11/2022 21:05

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 18:04

@HamBone mum told me she had left specific things to me. But she never did a proper will apparently. I thought she did, but dad says not. He's only just had his own one done properly and I have a copy of that. Mum said she had specifically left two pots of money. One to me and one to my half brother
There are some other funds which she inherited from my other half brother who died 3 years ago) but dadc is having issues releasing those as he's an idiot and insists trying to handle these matters himself rather than entrusting a solicitor

Op. I had problems with relatives re my mums will earlier this year. All wills are available online and can be downloaded for £1.50. My desktop is playing up so can't copy and paste, but just search for wills online , it's a gov.uk website. Once you've paid the fee it takes a couple of days for you to be notified.
Once mine was available I downloaded it onto my computer and screenshot it too. All of your mums money may be gone, or it may not be. She may have written a will or she may not. But this way, you can find out and decide what to do from there.
I'm so sorry your dad has put you through all of this. My father was an absolute controlling bully to both myself and my mum, and now both mum and he are gone, certain relatives think it's ok to step into his shoes. Well, not if I have anything to do with it.

Protect yourself and your family. His Wants and needs are not your problem to solve. Flowers

Kevinthebird007 · 28/11/2022 21:06

@Soothsayer1 he always tells me I'm a better daughter than he deserves and he's never been a good dad, but that then makes me feel bad. Nobody wants to hear that :(

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Soothsayer1 · 28/11/2022 21:06

block him on WhatsApp so you cant see him
he's a grifter, leave him to his grimy grifting
dont make contact