Am I a fraud?/Are you a fraud?

[Toastandavocado]

AIBU for feeling like a fraud? Just watched the late night news article on Iran and the poor wee children murdered over the last month. It made me feel sick.

Then thought of the World Cup and the poor human rights and poor migrant workers who have died (and their families) and I said I wasn’t going to watch it because of these human rights violations.

Anyway, I work in education and all the kids are watching it, there’s no discussion around why the shouldn’t watch it and I’ve found myself watching some of it.

I still feel disgusted by the whole thing. What’s wrong with us? I genuinely believe most of us feel the same collective responsibility to human life, and doing the right thing. Why do we turn a blind eye? Why don’t we feel more confident to say, fuck you, if this was my child, I’d want the weight of the world behind it… and I feel like that’s what we should give, ie do not watch the World Cup… etc etc… little bits of support… to build a wave of change.

I truly believe I’m a fraud… and I’m sad to think this is the majority of the population too, and we want to change it, we just don’t know how 🤷‍♀️

Everyone is a hypocrite to a certain extent. Things are not perfect in this country either. There are daily injustices here that have not yet been tackled.

I agree, we all have an element of cognitive dissonance..I think if we didnt we would struggle to get through the day.

Very true say something (very apt name) I just feel if we all lead with our own integrity things could change more quickly as opposed to being caught up in the collective. That’s what I struggle with…

I'm not sure what not watching the world cup achieves? And I'm all for boycotts
There has been a lot of discussion about human right abuses, before the England game it was pointed out that the Iranian players weren't singing their anthem on protest for eg.

Very true onlyfannys (again, very apt name 😁) it’s just so disheartening and upsetting when you see these horrendous human rights violations going on and there are things we could do as a collective to stand against them. Even in little ways. Football is quite a big part of my family, watchers/players. There’s still this little bit of me thinking, but you could still watch the final! Total conditioned moral corruptness. I’ve decided. I’m out. I won’t be watching another game.

I genuinely believe most of us feel the same collective responsibility to human life, and doing the right thing. Why do we turn a blind eye? Why don’t we feel more confident to say, fuck you, if this was my child, I’d want the weight of the world behind it… and I feel like that’s what we should give, ie do not watch the World Cup… etc etc… little bits of support… to build a wave of change

Because we want want we want. Personally I think the World Cup being so late in the year is taking over Christmas and not enjoying that aspect, but it has been a fantastic tournament so far, Saudi Arabia in particular, Japan, etc, been fantastic, from a personal point of view the teams this year have been outstandingly hot overall.) But what has your opinion got to do with other people's wants? People are selfish: Hold the news! lol 😂(And mind your own business, while you're at it! People can do what they want).

It achieves a collective message that human rights violations will not be tolerated.

Hmm they’ve not really been that fantastic. “Hot overall” I’ll leave that there. Are you aware of the number of migrant workers who have died building that stadium (FYI- it’s not the number reported 🙄) This is the reason I don’t “mind my own business” if we all did “mind our own business” we’d be narrow minded individuals like yourself.

Pretty much everything we consume has been produced with the exploitation of someone or something somewhere along the line. It very difficult to get away from but when its blindingly obvious we need to have more solidarity about how we respond d to it. The world cup is a massive clash of morals and values, scrub that - world trade full stop is a massive clash of morals and values.

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Hmm they’ve not really been that fantastic

From your previous statement that "all of your family is big on football" but you don't think the Japan or the Saudi Arabia games were fantastic? How much of a fan even are you? I'm not really, and even I know both of those games were class no matter what you attempt to grasp to say in comparison.

People are very much hypocrites.

1-they usually only care about what is currently on news then they go preaching about it like they actually by themselves worked on it their whole life
2-it's a survival because no one can care about everything, we need to be hypocrites in some way
3-point 1 again

I don't know why the quote is there🤦

From memory Saudi had a number of goals against them disallowed. They had a tiny percentage of possession and two fantastic goals, which would have made for an exciting game. Japan, another ‘exciting’ game. Great football or great tournament?, nope. To be fair, if I was a Japanese or Saudi supporter I’d think otherwise, but as a female I’d be much more concerned about my human rights, or my daughter’s human rights than a ‘lucky’ game of football.

What quote?

@Toastandavocado

And did you object when the world cup was in Russia, or the Olympics in China?

Or many other sporting events in countries with dubious civil rights record?

Of course I did. I don’t have a specific vendetta to this particular sporting event… I’m questioning all our morals on not standing up (collectively) to clear human rights violations. It seems strange that you’d even ask that, unless of course that is your own country?

How do you imagine that collective standing up you keep talking about?

Because to me it sounds kind of like how we excused invasions and destabilisation of regions...

To me it sounds like these poor women and children and migrant workers not having a voice and having no one to stand with them, alongside them, and give them a voice… even if it means in tiny ways, of ‘opting out’ of not watching major sporting events, having the conversations with our children as to why we don’t support these events, and why we don’t watch them. Being collectively responsible for our actions to be morally accountable. How do you imagine the not collectively standing up?

If you like avocados, then it is quite likely you have been eating Mexican produce, not a country with a great human rights record, you probably own or have bought something from China, again, some questions there.

The truth of the matter is, if you were to boycott every country with questionable records, you would be hard pressed to buy or own anything.

Everything is tainted, religion, countries, corporations, political parties, the list goes on, so what exactly does giving up watching football achieve if your going to eat a Mexican avocado in the morning, drive your car to work bristling with Chinese technology, whilst munching Iranian pistachios..

You sound absolutely ridiculous trying to argue otherwise, as I thought you might..

I don’t think not eating avocados 🥑 or pistachios would make much of a political point, however I think collectively boycotting major sporting events would. Globalisation is here to stay, human rights violations should not be an acceptable part of that.

You sound utterly ridiculous… full stop ✋

I believe that as soon as Qatar bribed their way to hosting this tournament England should have refused to send a team there, as should all the major teams in Europe.

I haven't watched any of the tournament. It shouldn't be held there at all. The migrant worker deaths, the fact that criticism of the government is a criminal offence, the potential death sentence for homosexuality, the treatment of women - all are good reasons not to send teams there.

However this is all about money. The government is cosying up to Qatar as our North Sea reserves diminish. Qatar is the third largest property owner in London. They also invest heavily in companies used every day by millions of people - eg Sainsburys and Barclays.

Really interesting Ilovesooty, always comes down to money. So sad, and even more of a reason why we should be having the conversations with our children/younger generation as to why watching this is morally corrupt. Perhaps if the teams are “hot” or eat avocados or pistachios we can give them a free pass when they’re killing women for showing their hair or hundreds of migrant workers die while building stadiums. It’s like the Hunger Games…supported by the scarily entitled 🙄