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No or limited spend on Xmas presents with mother. Having a long rant really.

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2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 12:55

I know there is a cost of living crisis going on and for clarification this is not about agreeing with my mother / both parents to not spend that much on presents this year between us. Quite happy to agree that sort of thing if that is what she/ they would prefer. This about my mother attempting to control what we choose to spend on our young adult children.

I think I am now being given “the silent treatment” for standing up to her……

This is what happened
So first a bit of background. My parents are elderly and pretty well off. My father is pretty generous , my mother tends to be generous for show or alternatively being particularly mean for show too. She has a complicated character informed I think by her version of her Irish Catholicism. At Christmas time, they like Christmas lists from all the family to choose gifts from. I always encourage my children to suggest a range of ideas: specific and general and varying costs. We start getting asked for lists from them at the beginning of November. I know some people don’t like lists and find the concept strange but they do. True to form we were asked for “our lists” a couple of weeks ago. Knowing they are elderly and don’t really like “stuff” these days I try to get consumables , things they request for them etc.

My daughter duly wrote her list and passed it to me.

One thing on it , the most expensive probably in fact was a cashmere jumper in neutral colours. I verbally passed things onto my mum including that but also the request for anything lavender scented and money towards a planned trip next year. Mum was hassling me for the lists.

Also by way of background and so as not to drip feed I am currently ill with pneumonia. It’s mild so I am at home, on antibiotics , resting a lot. When Mum and Dad found out , they were ringing just about every day to see how I was. This is partly how I know I am been given the silent treatment because the calls have stopped.

Mum did find a cashmere jumper in the Black Friday sales but not the right colour. In a fit of pique , knowing that one was unsuitable, she then suggested that mindful of the cost of living crisis , our mortgages and not getting into debt we all shouldn’t spend much on Xmas presents this year. I said we only ever spend what we can afford anyhow , but if they wanted us to agree to limit what we spent on them and visa versa that was fine. No she went further she wanted us to limit what we spent on our children. ( We tend to spend circa £100 on each of them depending on their needs) I just replied “ please don’t try to limit what I choose to spend on my own children” she then said I shouldn’t speak to my own mother like that and the conversation was finished soon after by her.

That was nearly a week ago and they haven’t rung since despite me being ill. My mum tends to give the silent treatment when she is annoyed with someone . She would ignore my Dad for days when I was a child, only making up at the “sign of peace” in church, which might be several days after a row. Last year she didn’t speak to me for a couple of weeks when I disagreed with her suggestion of no presents for anyone ie us not giving anything to our children or to siblings.

I am not sure what gets to me more: “the silent treatment” or her controlling behaviour trying to get me to restrict spending to token gifts to our children. I don’t think we go mad particularly at Xmas . We are relatively comfortably off , we don’t get into debt and generally we buy things our children need eg to set up home. I am not going to stop buying stuff on her say so for them. Admittedly a cashmere jumper is quite a luxury, but her list was small, knowing that.

I am not sure if this is another church thing in the run up to Xmas . Maybe other practising catholics could enlighten me. DH thinks it is. I think it is also my mums total inability to empathise. She doesn’t want “stuff “ anymore , so thinks others don’t need it either. I see them all at different times of their lives. I get it : my mum is elderly and doesn’t want stuff so I treat her to things like luxury consumables I know she enjoys her buy her stuff that does wear out- like the very expensive knickers or tights that she likes. Funny enough come Xmas morning, she is very happy to open presents containing nice things. My children on the other hand are starting out in adult life and need stuff to build a home. I remember that stage myself.

Not sure what my aibu is . As I said in the title, it’s a bit of a rant really. But some reassurance that I am not going completely mad and just ignoring her bizarre behaviour is the way to go , would be good .

Thanks for reading , it made me feel better writing it anyhow.

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AriettyHomily · 23/11/2022 12:59

it all sounds very overly complicated. Buy what you want for your kids. I just don't get the present thing for adults, if I want something say a face cream that is £50, I might as well buy it for myself instead of having to give someone a list, they buy the face cream and then I buy them a present for £50. It's pointless.

pizzaHeart · 23/11/2022 13:13

It’s very long post so I’ve just skipped to the middle ( which I believe is a core) .
Your mum wants to dictate what you spend on you, your DC, your friends, pets or whoever? I would laugh loudly in response. It’s absolutely not her business. The point of being grown up is that you make your own decisions. She can moan of course but you shouldn’t listen it, tell her that it’s not her business, you don’t want to continue the conversation and warn her that you are going to put the phone down ( and do it). Tell her something like “love you but don’t want to continue this conversation, bye bye” Then call her next time as usual as nothing’s happened. If she starts again, repeat the above response. For now ring her when you can (and want). I used this approach with my own mum, it’s very effective. The key is to be polite. My sister often moves to an emotional argument stage with our Mum and it ruins the effect.

ICanHideButICantRun · 23/11/2022 13:17

"It's OK for you, mum; you've got a house crammed with expensive things. My children are starting out in life so they need more support. Have to go now..."

SoapMactavish · 23/11/2022 13:18

It just sounds like your mum got in a strop and blamed everyone else for buying the wrong jumper?

I'd be ignoring your mum as well. Give her the silent treatment back.

Santagiveyoursackawash · 23/11/2022 13:19

Imo enjoy the peace and leave her to stew...

Sparklesocks · 23/11/2022 13:22

Sounds like she lashed out because she didn’t find the right jumper. I would just let her stew too, she doesn’t get to dictate what you do or don’t spend on your DC - it’s not like you’re putting huge presents on credit cards you can’t afford. Maybe speak to your day in a few days and see what’s going on (only if you want to).

JWR · 23/11/2022 13:23

As a Catholic, I genuinely don’t think this has anything to do with her religion. She’s just controlling and doesn’t seem to realise you’re an independent adult.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 13:25

@SoapMactavish
no she never got to the stage of ordering the jumper I think, but was probably pleased with herself at finding a bargain.

@pizzaHeart
she really took offence when I took a similar tack last year . Wouldn’t speak to me for quite a while . Finishing the phone call promptly she took as an affront. I remember posting about it at the time. @Santagiveyoursackawash has the best idea I think…..

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Iknowthis1 · 23/11/2022 13:26

She's not going to change at this stage. Just agree with her then do your own thing.

I hate the silent treatment. It's so childish and it accomplishes nothing.

FiscalDragQueen · 23/11/2022 13:28

Imo enjoy the peace and leave her to stew...

Exactly this ^

When. someone acts like a child and gives you the silent treatment, enjoy the peace and quiet, and hope that it goes on for ages.

There is someone in our family that uses this technique. I'm not sure if they did it for 6 months or if it just worked out that way because I refused to engage with them about it. They haven't done it since as I clearly didn't care and it did not have the desired effect.

cptartapp · 23/11/2022 13:29

Don't crack first.
She's more to lose if she wants to see you and the DC at Christmas.

fastandthecurious1 · 23/11/2022 13:29

Oh if it helps my MIL is like this.... I tell her things the children will like as I'm hassled for ideas, now I am specific! I send links and pictures a etc

8 out of ten times she will get close but not what I said... so I send her a link for a great fluffy dressing gown... she gets a pink dressing gown with stars.... too young for the girl in question.
I send her a link to a ps5 game and she will choose her own random game and she doesn't seem to understand that it's frustrating as these things aren't used or duplicated.

We are not ungrateful and of she just chose presents herself it wouldn't be an issue but she refuses to think for herself she needs me to send her things but the deviates. It's exhausting

Dacadactyl · 23/11/2022 13:29

FWIW, my mum is just like this...same background as your mum too. She cannot empathise with anyone about anything and is conteolling to boot. I have given up trying to change or understand her.

I just ignore her suggestions now. Try not to let it get to you.

I understand what you feel like.

Chdjdn · 23/11/2022 13:30

I don’t think it’s a church thing; it’s all a control thing including the silent treatment. Stick to your guns and as long as your children know they may or may not receive what they ask for then they are fine too.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 13:35

It’s interesting that others don’t think it’s a church thing. I wondered if there was a recent bishops letter or something like it re the true meaning of Christmas etc.
I do know she is piqued that the 3 children she raised as strict catholics do not go to church any more, even at Christmas.

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Santagiveyoursackawash · 23/11/2022 13:39

Many years ago my dm flounced out of my home - genuinely no real idea why. Actually it was in November.. A taxi arrived one night nearer Christmas with half wrapped gifts and a letter saying sorry they weren't all sorted but that was all my fault!!
Didn't hear a word for....
..
TEN YEARS PEOPLE!!
Had cause to phone her (legal matter) she met my dc. I regretted it within a fortnight.. Muddled through with some sort of relationship for about 18 months. Then been nc again since. Been another 10 years now.. Won't be ringing her again!

pizzaHeart · 23/11/2022 13:40

Well you can always donate to the charity or food bank of your DM’s choice instead of buying HER a gift.

gamerchick · 23/11/2022 13:41

I'm another one saying just enjoy the peace. She's never going to change, you can only manage it sadly.

malificent7 · 23/11/2022 13:43

Im so glad we are not doing adult gifts this year....the drama!

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 13:47

Each to their own @malificent7 i personally really enjoy buying for my children. I do like @pizzaHeart ’s idea of offering to donate to a charity of her choice. As long as it doesn’t backfire and she wants us all to nominate a charity!

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nokidshere · 23/11/2022 13:48

I have given up trying to change or understand her.

Absolutely the right thing to do. A lot of angst is created unnecessarily because people don't understand this. We cannot control how other people think, feel or behave. We can only control our own responses to that. If you want things to change then you have to change the way you feel or react to the other persons behaviour.

Smile, nod and ignore
Cut them out of your life
Change the subject
Have some stock responses

A lot of it also depends on the type of relationship you have with the person, you are far more likely to laugh it off or just change the subject if you actually like the other person. If you don't like them your reaction will generally be stronger to even minor slights.

AliceMcK · 23/11/2022 13:53

I’ve said YABU

Nothing to do with religion. Yes she probably had a pretty fucked up way of doing things compared to these days coming from an Irish Catholic background, I too have Irish catholic parents. But it’s her personality that’s the issue not her religion. My own mother is a complete narcissist but that’s down to her personality. Your own dosnt sound far off.

Why tell her what you get your DCs. You know your not going to change her without it blowing up or going NC so ignore her, say yes mum we will do that then do what ever the fuck you want, your an adult if she says anything you say you changed your mind and walk away.

As for ignoring you, surely the pease and quiet is preferable. I haven’t spoken to my own mother in almost 4 years, it’s bliss.

Brigante9 · 23/11/2022 14:08

I wouldn't tell her what you're getting for your dc. This oversharing is what upset me back in the day and now I keep it all very superficial, otherwise I get lectured at. Honestly, let her make the first move. I can't see it being related to church as it appears to be regular. I'm Catholic too and the idea of giving gifts and being generous with time/money for charity and for others is key.

FancyFelix · 23/11/2022 14:15

She sounds very much like my MIL. Demands a list and then takes issue with what's on it. It drives me absolutely bananas. She claims not to know what to buy us all, I ask her not to buy anything, but she insists on the list. Then when she gets it she says she won't buy X or Y for some spurious reason and then suggests something she thinks more suitable. Just do that in the first place and leave me out of it - you clearly do know what you want to buy!!

Part of the reason I hate the list is the judgement I feel when she comments on the things listed (both for me and kids).

I don't think it's a catholic thing, it's a judgemental dickhead thing!!

Agree with PPs who have advised leaving her to it. Enjoy the lack of drama.

Always4Brenner · 23/11/2022 14:15

Go NC let her get on with it.