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No or limited spend on Xmas presents with mother. Having a long rant really.

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2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 12:55

I know there is a cost of living crisis going on and for clarification this is not about agreeing with my mother / both parents to not spend that much on presents this year between us. Quite happy to agree that sort of thing if that is what she/ they would prefer. This about my mother attempting to control what we choose to spend on our young adult children.

I think I am now being given “the silent treatment” for standing up to her……

This is what happened
So first a bit of background. My parents are elderly and pretty well off. My father is pretty generous , my mother tends to be generous for show or alternatively being particularly mean for show too. She has a complicated character informed I think by her version of her Irish Catholicism. At Christmas time, they like Christmas lists from all the family to choose gifts from. I always encourage my children to suggest a range of ideas: specific and general and varying costs. We start getting asked for lists from them at the beginning of November. I know some people don’t like lists and find the concept strange but they do. True to form we were asked for “our lists” a couple of weeks ago. Knowing they are elderly and don’t really like “stuff” these days I try to get consumables , things they request for them etc.

My daughter duly wrote her list and passed it to me.

One thing on it , the most expensive probably in fact was a cashmere jumper in neutral colours. I verbally passed things onto my mum including that but also the request for anything lavender scented and money towards a planned trip next year. Mum was hassling me for the lists.

Also by way of background and so as not to drip feed I am currently ill with pneumonia. It’s mild so I am at home, on antibiotics , resting a lot. When Mum and Dad found out , they were ringing just about every day to see how I was. This is partly how I know I am been given the silent treatment because the calls have stopped.

Mum did find a cashmere jumper in the Black Friday sales but not the right colour. In a fit of pique , knowing that one was unsuitable, she then suggested that mindful of the cost of living crisis , our mortgages and not getting into debt we all shouldn’t spend much on Xmas presents this year. I said we only ever spend what we can afford anyhow , but if they wanted us to agree to limit what we spent on them and visa versa that was fine. No she went further she wanted us to limit what we spent on our children. ( We tend to spend circa £100 on each of them depending on their needs) I just replied “ please don’t try to limit what I choose to spend on my own children” she then said I shouldn’t speak to my own mother like that and the conversation was finished soon after by her.

That was nearly a week ago and they haven’t rung since despite me being ill. My mum tends to give the silent treatment when she is annoyed with someone . She would ignore my Dad for days when I was a child, only making up at the “sign of peace” in church, which might be several days after a row. Last year she didn’t speak to me for a couple of weeks when I disagreed with her suggestion of no presents for anyone ie us not giving anything to our children or to siblings.

I am not sure what gets to me more: “the silent treatment” or her controlling behaviour trying to get me to restrict spending to token gifts to our children. I don’t think we go mad particularly at Xmas . We are relatively comfortably off , we don’t get into debt and generally we buy things our children need eg to set up home. I am not going to stop buying stuff on her say so for them. Admittedly a cashmere jumper is quite a luxury, but her list was small, knowing that.

I am not sure if this is another church thing in the run up to Xmas . Maybe other practising catholics could enlighten me. DH thinks it is. I think it is also my mums total inability to empathise. She doesn’t want “stuff “ anymore , so thinks others don’t need it either. I see them all at different times of their lives. I get it : my mum is elderly and doesn’t want stuff so I treat her to things like luxury consumables I know she enjoys her buy her stuff that does wear out- like the very expensive knickers or tights that she likes. Funny enough come Xmas morning, she is very happy to open presents containing nice things. My children on the other hand are starting out in adult life and need stuff to build a home. I remember that stage myself.

Not sure what my aibu is . As I said in the title, it’s a bit of a rant really. But some reassurance that I am not going completely mad and just ignoring her bizarre behaviour is the way to go , would be good .

Thanks for reading , it made me feel better writing it anyhow.

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Byelaws · 23/11/2022 14:15

YANBU - and it’s definitely her background whether religion or not. It’s a weird mix of family control and an expectation that people must do what their elders say out of respect.

Well fuck that. Stop letting her in to judge. Don’t tell her what your DC are getting for Christmas. Step back.

BatshitBanshee · 23/11/2022 14:25

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 13:35

It’s interesting that others don’t think it’s a church thing. I wondered if there was a recent bishops letter or something like it re the true meaning of Christmas etc.
I do know she is piqued that the 3 children she raised as strict catholics do not go to church any more, even at Christmas.

Lol OP. Take it from this Irish Catholic: absolutely not a church thing and there has been no bishop's letter. This is simply a case of hell hath no fury like a enraged manipulating control nut. I'd leave her stew and when she asks for a list next year just say sorry, not happening it's caused rows the last two years and I don't want to do it. End of.

BarbedButterfly · 23/11/2022 14:33

We had this too. A family member tried to set limits on what everyone buys. I have some sympathy as I know they are in a bad financial situation so probably can't afford much, but we don't even see them Xmas day. I don't mind setting family limits but will not be told what to spend on my partner. Thankfully it was shut down pretty quickly by everyone else.

I think this all stems from the jumper being the wrong colour tbh.

billy1966 · 23/11/2022 14:44

Santagiveyoursackawash · 23/11/2022 13:19

Imo enjoy the peace and leave her to stew...

Absolutely this.

She sounds controlling, batshit, and deeply unpleasant.

Hope you feel better soon.

MatildaTheCat · 23/11/2022 14:50

Just buy her a charity goat for Christmas and buy your DD whatever she wants within budget. It really is as simple as that, she has no say whatsoever in your spending.

Grey rock further conversations and get well soon.

Hesma · 23/11/2022 14:57

Personally I find you linking this to being an Irish Catholic very insulting. I am one and yes I go to Mass and centre my celebrations are the nativity story but I also enjoy sharing presents with friends and family.

Your mother is an interfering old biddy! Just tell her where to go and do what you want.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 15:16

@Hesma i am really sorry you felt insulted I did not mean to offend anyone. I linked it to the church because she often links her batshit ideas to the church herself!

Not going to church anymore I don’t know what the latest missives are from the church . I can imagine a piece about the true meaning of Christmas being plausible and her then warping it to tie in with her own controls and wants. Just trying to understand her I suppose . Sorry again.

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Lollypop701 · 23/11/2022 15:21

She found a bargain jumper… so wants to buy it regardless of it being suitable. So she is missing out on a bargain as someone is not grateful for her gift. Nothing to do with you op. Ignore snd don’t be surprised if the jumper is purchased anyway

Brefugee · 23/11/2022 15:24

the tl;dr version is your mum told you not to spend so much money on your kids and you told her to keep her beak out and now she hasn't called you for a week.

I hope you feel better soon, OP.

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 15:31

@Brefugee thank you for summarising . I know I tend to ramble on in real life as well as on here. But in my defence it was cathartic to write it down and nobody of course has to read what I wrote or indeed respond.

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Brefugee · 23/11/2022 15:33

sorry i didn't intend for it to sound as mean as it does when i re-read it.
And i get the need to spit it all out.

I'm guessing you being ill makes it worse - hence i hope you feel better soon, because then you'll be able to get a better handle on it.

Enjoy the peace, and maybe suggest gift certificates for everyone?

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 23/11/2022 15:34

Thanks @Brefugee

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SleepingStandingUp · 23/11/2022 15:37

How did the wrong jumper combo go?

I found a cashmere jumper in the sales but alas its green not yellow so I think no one should get any presents

Or

I found a cashmere jumper in the sales
Well what colour is it and what size?
Size 12 green
Gosh Mom she hasn't worn green since 1999, you know she only wears yellow. I did tell you yellow. The full price ones are only £209 you know!!

TheYearOfSmallThings · 23/11/2022 15:43

Obviously this is not related to religion, just a difficult personality. Let her sulk, and enjoy the peace.

MysweetAudrina · 23/11/2022 15:50

Sounds to me like she wants to stop being bought presents and possibly buying presents so she thinks everyone else should do the same that way she won't feel bad for not buying present or left out by not receiving any which she knows she will do if she is the only one not buying or receiving them.

fancyacuppatea · 23/11/2022 15:55

Let her choke on cashmere and buy her a big bag of nuts and a charity Donkey from your DC. Wink

I hope you recover from your pneumonia in time for Christmas.🎄

Squashpocket · 23/11/2022 16:00

Is this a thing? My Irish (catholic by birth) mother also has a complete lack of empathy. I'm fascinated now. She makes my life a misery with her total self-absorption and passive aggressive controlling. Maybe it's to do with the old-fashioned catholic upbringing.

PlantsAndSpaniels · 23/11/2022 16:02

fastandthecurious1 · 23/11/2022 13:29

Oh if it helps my MIL is like this.... I tell her things the children will like as I'm hassled for ideas, now I am specific! I send links and pictures a etc

8 out of ten times she will get close but not what I said... so I send her a link for a great fluffy dressing gown... she gets a pink dressing gown with stars.... too young for the girl in question.
I send her a link to a ps5 game and she will choose her own random game and she doesn't seem to understand that it's frustrating as these things aren't used or duplicated.

We are not ungrateful and of she just chose presents herself it wouldn't be an issue but she refuses to think for herself she needs me to send her things but the deviates. It's exhausting

@fastandthecurious1 my mum is exactly like this. I get called fussy 🙄

mewkins · 23/11/2022 16:06

Santagiveyoursackawash · 23/11/2022 13:39

Many years ago my dm flounced out of my home - genuinely no real idea why. Actually it was in November.. A taxi arrived one night nearer Christmas with half wrapped gifts and a letter saying sorry they weren't all sorted but that was all my fault!!
Didn't hear a word for....
..
TEN YEARS PEOPLE!!
Had cause to phone her (legal matter) she met my dc. I regretted it within a fortnight.. Muddled through with some sort of relationship for about 18 months. Then been nc again since. Been another 10 years now.. Won't be ringing her again!

Epic level flounce!!!

Bearonthestair · 23/11/2022 16:11

No, not all Catholics are arseholes. Or whatever else you seem to be implying.

fancyacuppatea · 23/11/2022 16:11

fastandthecurious1 · 23/11/2022 13:29

Oh if it helps my MIL is like this.... I tell her things the children will like as I'm hassled for ideas, now I am specific! I send links and pictures a etc

8 out of ten times she will get close but not what I said... so I send her a link for a great fluffy dressing gown... she gets a pink dressing gown with stars.... too young for the girl in question.
I send her a link to a ps5 game and she will choose her own random game and she doesn't seem to understand that it's frustrating as these things aren't used or duplicated.

We are not ungrateful and of she just chose presents herself it wouldn't be an issue but she refuses to think for herself she needs me to send her things but the deviates. It's exhausting

My mum asked me and (now DH) Fiance what we wanted for our first Christmas.
She was given very specific instructions (think inexpensive dinner service, around £30 from Argos)
She had history, buying me the wrong stuff including school shoes/uniform "it's blue, isn't it?" arghh
She bought us not from Argos a £200 bone china dinner set.🤦‍♀️
Thankfully she gave us the receipt, but it was a PITA hauling it back to Debenhams on bloody Boxing Day.🤬

fancyacuppatea · 23/11/2022 16:15

@Santagiveyoursackawash Mine went NC with me! (Thankfully)

stayathomer · 23/11/2022 16:24

Think she was overdramatic but that you’re overthinking and being overdramatic too (but you’re sick so I understand it!) I don’t think any of it is to do with being a catholic, just a mum thing(I’m sure we’ll all be the same!)

Minimalme · 23/11/2022 16:58

My Mother (narc/Catholic) used money to control everyone and everything around her.

Life was much easier when I binned her off.

It is nice to live life without her constantly changing critical opinions.

Minimalme · 23/11/2022 17:03

And no, Catholicism didn't cause my Mother to be a bad person, but I think she enjoyed it because I gave her legitimate reasons to judge everyone's actions and beliefs.

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