AIBU to think anyone involved in teaching children should be BDS checked?

[requestingsunshine]

This is a childs sports club. Not volunteers but a paid for club and not linked to school or anything.

Am I right in thinking that anyone involved in the coaching of the DC, especially when they are left in sole charge of the DC should be DBS checked?

Depending on the sport it depends on the guidelines I think but I agree.

Struggling to think of any exceptions to be honest.

Most sports clubs are affiliated and the umbrella organisation will often recommend it. Are they paid or voluntary?

Its a dance class in a private dance company

Yes. Even casual volunteers who are never alone with the children are checked at the club my dc attend.

That's the law right?

Paid staff, not voluntary. Not sure if that should make a difference though?
This is for children from around age 4 upwards

well, it is not a legal requirement, but it is basic good practice

Are parent chaperones subject to tests too?

I've read this online, just seeing if it applies in this situation:

It's the law that employees working unsupervised with children must undergo an enhanced DBS check. It's also the law that volunteers whose duties involve specific contact with children must undergo an enhanced DBS Check. It's still important to get a DBS check when parents are present to oversee their children.

Are you they are not? Do they teach to an exam syllabus?

If it makes a difference, the people who are teaching the classes and in sole charge fo the DC, with no other adults present do not have an employment contract, they are paid cash in hand

Yes even voluntary ones are licensed by the LA and subject to DBS as part of it.

I used to volunteer working with children and had a full DBS even though I was never alone with the children. When I was a teacher parent helpers had to have a basic one. I have been retired for 7 years so that may no longer apply.

Of course they need to be DBS checked. I wouldn't send a DC to a club which fails to follow basic safeguarding best practice. And with the "cash in hand" thing too, it seems like the organisers don't think rules apply to them.

Cheers LIZS

You’re wrong. It’s the law.

100% they should.

DD has a dance show coming up. The organiser has been asking for parents / grandparents with an enhanced DBS check to help backstage. Other parents can't be there.

I'm not sure parents are aware some staff are not DBS checked. Not sure even if they all are. I don't suppose there is any way of checking this other than asking.
But to me it seems like a safeguarding issue. I would certainly want to know if the person teaching my child had not been checked out properly, however nice they appear to be

How do you know and what is your role? Cover teaching is not unusual among dance schools but each will usually have been checked. Is it a former or older student?

Well, it isn't because it cant be defined - bi

Big brother takes little brother to park for a kick about

Little brother's friend asks to join in

This becomes a regular after school hobby in local park

Another friend joins

Friend 2s mum buys big brother an icecream as a thank you

Friend 1s Mum buys him fish and chips one night

Friend 1's mum then one day hasn't got time to buy the chips, so gives big brother the money to buy his own

At what point did this become a paid club that big brother needed a DBS check for? Does it make a difference if he is 11 years old, 15, 17or 20?

Does it become formal once there is a whatsapp group? or when there are 4 little ones joining in? or when big brother accepts the ices cream? Or when big brother's best friend asks if he can help too and share the chips??

So no, not a legal requirement for big brother to have DBS check

Also a recent dance competition which was scheduled and paid for suddenly cxouldn't happen because the owner of the company apparantly didn't have a certian qualification. Does anyone involved in dance know if this is a thing? I'm now wondering if it was suddenly cancelled if they themselves could not provide an enhanced DBS certificate to allow them into that area of the competition. As seems a bit odd to have qualified for entry into the competition and then the DC all ad to pull out because of a coaches qualification.

It is irrelevant whether people are paid or not. I have volunteered as a parent helper at school, in cubs and in junior worship at church. DBS required for all of them.

This is totally different to that though. This is a legitimate company. Charging people for dance lessons, at the dance company premises.