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Are the police neutral?

30 replies

Yirk · 12/11/2022 16:23

Just a query really, do your local police cars display trans flags and the motto " police with pride",
Should they display all relevant flags and colours or remain a neutral profession ?

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VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 16:30

"Remain a neutral profession" is where you go wrong, I'm afraid. A profession in which young Black men are routinely subject to dehumanising treatment does not a 'neutral profession' make. They could fly all the trans flags they like but it will not change what they are at their core. I am enjoying all the talk of 'woke' policing though - everyone was absolutely fine with their treatment of ethnic minorities but draw the line at trans flags Grin not surprising though!

FourChimneys · 12/11/2022 16:31

No, not at all in my experience.

Yirk · 12/11/2022 16:32

I would never be ok with dehumanising treatment of ethnic minorities ,

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OmiOmy · 12/11/2022 16:33

Nope, not neutral. My local police force are notorious for being fully Stonewalled.

Underanothersky · 12/11/2022 16:33

They are not at all neutral. They are there to protect the interests of the rulling class

Felix125 · 12/11/2022 16:57

Our is neutral

No rainbow cars, rainbow lanyards. Can't wear poppies, Ukraine badges, charity badges, pink ribbons etc etc

Yirk · 12/11/2022 17:00

Felix125...thanks thats what is asking about, are you in the ok?

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Yirk · 12/11/2022 17:01

UK?

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Pixiedust1234 · 12/11/2022 17:04

No idea. I don't see any police cars or police officers anymore. I do see a couple of psco(?) walking around at senior schools kickout time. No idea if they have lanyards as they walk at warp speed. I think they save up all their operating time for Friday and Saturday nights in the city centre.

Avaynia · 12/11/2022 17:10

VladmirsPoutine · 12/11/2022 16:30

"Remain a neutral profession" is where you go wrong, I'm afraid. A profession in which young Black men are routinely subject to dehumanising treatment does not a 'neutral profession' make. They could fly all the trans flags they like but it will not change what they are at their core. I am enjoying all the talk of 'woke' policing though - everyone was absolutely fine with their treatment of ethnic minorities but draw the line at trans flags Grin not surprising though!

This.

The police have never been neutral. In America they legally don't even have to protect and serve, despite it being their motto.

miceonabranch · 12/11/2022 17:11

I think they're a toxic mix of the very worst of the left and right.

Felix125 · 13/11/2022 14:45

Yirk
Yes - I am in the UK

ApplePieFry · 13/11/2022 15:57

Yes ours display the full pride flag, so represents the entire community

Yirk · 14/11/2022 07:02

Does displaying the pride flag really represent everyone in your community???

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Felix125 · 14/11/2022 12:24

No - that's why we don't do it
Its like wearing the red poppy

Reprob8 · 01/01/2025 10:23

They should remain completely non biased and neutral in all matters, politically and social, and their cars should be free of anything but the standard and necessary markings. If they dont remain neutral, then they have already appeared to take a side when dealing with sensitive issues, where the subject in question could be a seriously aggravating factor, where had they not indicated a position on the subject then the outcome may have been substantially better for all concerned. They're also applying a value to one cause or social issue over another regardless what side or position they are showing support for. It also really adds fuel to the multi tiered policing idea.

pointythings · 01/01/2025 10:44

Ours only display Pride paraphernalia when they are at a Pride event. And that's fine.

And I really think you should be far more concerned about racism and misogyny in the police than about the trans.

Reprob8 · 01/01/2025 13:24

I didn't realise the op, was aimed specifically at trans, I thought
It was meaning LGBTQ pride flags and motto's in general, to be honest I didnt know they had a separate flag. But it wasnt my point tho, it doesn't really matter which cause or social issue or any of that which it is, and i totally agree that far more does need done about the issues you mention, but this is one of the problems tho, the police, just like the courts, are meant to be as completely unbiased and neutral as possible, but when one thing starts being represented but not another, then the other group, or another group, will start saying; "why are you addressing this but not that?", or "why are you giving this more support then our thing?" It can bring their credibility into question, sow more seeds of tension and inequality, into institutions that already have enough of that to sort out already. It needs equality and fair treatment, of existing groups that are treated unfairly and unequally 1st, without appearing to show favour for another issue, or side of an issue. It just gives potential for more polarisation. When theres civil/social unrest that causes disturbances, the police are expected to be the ones that show up, and bring things down, return order, in as peaceful way as possible, but if one group (right or wrong), see's the police as siding with the other, or taking a position then there's already the potential for another layer of confrontation there from the outset. I dont mean any specific group, agenda, or issue, but I just think this is why the police need to be as much of an anti-catalyst, in this regard as possible. Especially these days when tiniest little things get blown on social media. Like when a member of the royal family had the leaves on their poppy pointing the wrong way, and suddenly Twitter was on fire!

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 01/01/2025 13:36

OmiOmy · 12/11/2022 16:33

Nope, not neutral. My local police force are notorious for being fully Stonewalled.

West Yorkshire?

OliveLeader · 01/01/2025 13:48

There’s nothing neutral about the police. They have a long history of and ongoing issue with upholding and perpetuating the abuse and oppression of black people, Muslims, women, LGBT people and the disabled. Sticking a trans rights sticker on a police car means fuck all.

CranfordScones · 01/01/2025 13:56

It's as simple as this: those most attracted to the job are those least suited to the role. Unfortunately, that's how it is. The good ones become corrupted or disillusioned. Ultimately, people are the problem.

MrsPeregrine · 01/01/2025 14:00

Yirk · 12/11/2022 16:23

Just a query really, do your local police cars display trans flags and the motto " police with pride",
Should they display all relevant flags and colours or remain a neutral profession ?

No, they should be neutral. They are there to police, not engage in sloganism.

FBrown · 01/01/2025 17:15

Does that mean it's an exclusively lesbian, Gay, bi, trans, Queer, community that you live in then?

FBrown · 01/01/2025 18:00

I've never noticed any significant discrimination (well any at all) from Cumbria constabulary, unless it's someone with a drug problem, in which case even if the offending in question is solely the act of buying and possessing the drug they're dependent on, (and the user works hard to pay for their habit, rather than resorting to crime, petty or otherwise) then they get treated like the absolute scum of the earth, just the same as the ones that do deserve that reputation get treated.
Having worked with quite a few in the area, and known a lot in both a professional and personal capacity, I can easily say the honest ones that work hard, especially in the rural areas, make up nearly 50% (not like the stigma tells the uniformed it is, which they firmly believe is 100% lying scum without fail, and the news and tv only ever shows the destitute. Homeless toothless ones). But the police have no excuse to believe the stigma, and the sad part is, that often many, that do end up losing their jobs and going off the rails, from being honest and hard working, do so because it's what gets done to their lives by the treatment services (that are meant to help them) and the police locking them up and goinf and giving them records for petty possession charges, or just plain fitting them up, cos they dont like it when an addict has a good job, owns their house and has a stable life that keeps them like this, especially if said copper doesn't own their house, or have any of the other aforementioned stuff. Its almost like 'if they dont conform to the model, and stigma, then between the police, treatment service and just most of society, breaks them down into conforming to the model smackhead. But another noticeable element to this, in this area, is that the police wouldn't dare look at someone the wrong way if they were gay, or black or any other minority round here. But society is happy to turn a blind eye to it, and not give that disgusting level of that particular discrimination a seconds thought.