AIBU To Be Horrified By Thought Of Trump As POTUS Again

[TheShellBeach]

I am terrified and shocked that Donald Trump (probably) intends to to run for president again in 2024.
He says he's about to make a statement on the subject in a few days' time.

Considering all he's done, I think he has a cheek even to consider being the Republican nominee. He had no idea how to run America and yet - he has a huge fan base, who don't seem to care about the insurrection he incited on January 6th 2021.

AIBU to wish he'd be indicted, convicted and imprisoned?

Re the above ^^ men obviously shouldn't be in women's sport and the Republicans are strong on this and the Democrats inexplicably weak

I sort of miss Trump's press conferences

I think we should all tweet him when he's back on twitter telling him to run as an independent so he splits the Republican vote.

It's been so nice not having a headache from all the shenanigans in America since Biden got in. What a shame the UK has been such a mess in the same period. Bring back competent politicians!

I can’t believe people are underplaying the chaos and damage of the Trump Presidency already. This is all so recent.

As well a everything that others have already pointed out, Trump constantly promoted an incredibly divisive irresponsible style of ‘leadership’ with an undertone of violence (like the Lock her Up stuff amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/18/gretchen-whitmer-donald-trump-rally-lock-her-up-michigan),

he never clearly separated his own financial affairs from his Presidential role,

he did not appear to even keep classified secrets properly safe,

and that combined absolutely awful record ended in the terrifying riot in Washington after Trump’s unsubstantiated claims of a stolen election egging people on:
Capitol riots timeline: What happened on 6 January 2021?
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916.amp

Theres also those dystopian immigration policies and ‘building the wall’ rhetoric and keeping children separated from their parents in what amounted to prisons, an actual type of torture for children. Then not even keeping the contacts for their families so they may never be able to be reunited after that horrific experience.

US migrant children cry for separated parents on audio
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44531187.amp

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/trump-separation-policy-545-children-parents-still-not-found

That looks like an absolutely shameful and devastating presidency.

I completely agree with all of this. The man's evil, frankly.

Interesting read on Murdoch's move away from Trump
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63631316

Never underestimate how different Americans are to us. So many of them aren’t the least bit horrified about Trump. We lived in the US for a short while during Obama’s presidency and I was surprised to hear how hated he was by so many. Trump having support again does not shock me. Lots of Americans are bible thumping anti-women homophobes (disclaimer: Not All Americans, but the Bible Belt is a loooooong stretch). They fit right in with his beliefs.

Obviously Americans are very different to UK citizens. Though, frankly, we vote for awful sociopaths as well.

America has a lot of right wing, evangelical Christians. For some reason, they always thought that Trump stands for them. Trump only stands for himself of course.

Though, frankly, we vote for awful sociopaths as well

Yes absolutely agree with that re recent UK governments! Trump doesn’t exist in isolation and has inspired many other world leaders to behave appallingly too. Or just emboldened them on the worst instincts they already have.

That is the impression I have. A most unattractive man but, apart from the Capitol Hill escapade, I'm not certain what he has done

YANBU- horrible man! However, I rather doubt that the party will nominate him again after their underwhelming midterms result. I'm more worried about a President De Santis (spelling? governor of Florida).

Roe v Wade is indeed to quite an extent his fault. The reversal would not have happened if he hadn't appointed three barking religious-right justices to the Supreme Court.

Though Covid handling and environmental regulation are partly a matter for the states, they were badly impacted by disastrous handling at the national level.

Biden is doubtless not great, but almost anyone's better than Trump, including Johnson, Sunak and even Truss.

Absolutely Roe v Wade is Trump's fault. The idea that he didn't do anything that awful as President is barking.

I think there is a big difference between Trump running the first time and him running this time. He now has a blemished record of poor political handling and of course the incitement to violence that he so conveniently glosses over. These are big black marks against him, plus of course he is 8 years closer to 80 than he was the first time.

What happens in America does have a knock on effect on the rest of the world to a greater or lesser degree.

Climate change legislation being one example.

Oops response to wrong poster, sorry

On that point @MarshaBradyo , this looks interesting.

www.wsj.com/articles/covid-lockdowns-disqualify-trump-15-days-slow-spread-fauci-birx-business-family-funerals-2024-reelection-desantis-11668625280?st=v0eawvuvjumy40c

Obviously Justin Hart is very partisan on this topic, but it's probably a sign of things to come. Trump is going to be attacked from forces within his own party because of his covid response.

I was wondering that.

Dear god, yes, with bell on. I’m still trying to work out if he’s simply a massive narcissist, or just properly deluded. Horrible person.

That is undeniably true.

Since I started this thread, Trump has definitely announced his intention to run.
I do agree with those who say "good, bring it on - he'll split the Republican vote" and I also agree that he won't be selected as the Republican candidate.

I do not think for a million years that he'll spend a red cent of his own money on a campaign to run as an independent candidate.

He was only interested in politics if other people bankrolled him.

I think the lesson to be learnt from last time is don’t write trump off as a joke. He has plenty of Republican base support and I could easily see him winning Primaries on the road to the nominating convention, but whether he secures that is another matter.

I do not think for a million years that he'll spend a red cent of his own money on a campaign to run as an independent candidate.

Does he have any money left? I think he's only still running to pull in the dollars from the millions of halfwits on his email lists. That's his livelihood now.

I wonder what will come of the ruling that he has to provide his tax returns? I imagine that he and his lawyers will try and spin it out till January when the Republicans take control of the House and no doubt shut the investigation down.

This - it will affect us all. And could lead to civil war in the USA and WW3- nuclear war. If you think this will not affect us, I have no words.