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Why are some NHS staff unkept looking?

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BoozySuzie · 29/01/2008 17:33

I don't visit hospitals often thank goodness but I can't help but notice a lot of staff in hospitals are quite scruffy. Surely working in a hospital environment it is imperitive to be spotlessly clean and well groomed?? The Philipino nurses always look clean and tidy it's just our staff.

OP posts:
ladylush · 01/02/2008 09:03
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Unfitmother · 01/02/2008 09:21

She couldn't spell 'imperative' either but don't mention it - she thinks that's 'SAD'.
Obviously as a nurse, my appearance is so much more important than my literacy skills.

ladylush · 01/02/2008 09:26

Do you know, that's where I think I've been going wrong all these years. Silly me

Liz79 · 01/02/2008 10:13

I agree with boozy suzie, many NHS staff are scruffy looking, overweight and smoke and I think this portrays a bad image. And I work for the NHS as a midwife. AT my old hospital it was tunics and trousers and 14 hour long days or normal shifts and yes it was wash and wear, but I ironed them and I combed my hair and tied it back neatly, sometimes I put on a little make up but not heaps as thats not me and I hate to see nurses/mws covered in slap looking like they got ready to go to a night club. My new hopsital provides scrubs and thats better. There is nothing wrong with expecting people to be well presented, it is an outward display of high standards which hopefully means their standard of care will be high too. Its nice to have pride in your appearance, it makes you feel better and we can all do with that. My weakness is I'm overweight, naughty food is just tastier!

GabrielleSolis · 01/02/2008 10:15

I used to hate it when my baby was in SCBU and the nurses used to come back off their break and handle my very poorly child whilst reeking of smoke.

I don't think they should be allowed to smoke in their uniforms is all I have to contribute to this thread.

nailpolish · 01/02/2008 10:15

is it ok to slag off people who wear make up but not those who are overweight?

nailpolish · 01/02/2008 10:17

they arent allowed to smoke in their uniforms

its a sackable offense

in my trust you get immediately sacked if caught smoking on any part of hoospital grounds (including the car park) and that includes visitors as well as staff OR if you are seen smoking in your uniform. even if outside hospital grounds

also staff are not allowed to take uniforms too. although i do because the laundry took seven months to wash my last one

nailpolish · 01/02/2008 10:18

offence

GabrielleSolis · 01/02/2008 10:21

It was 8 years ago NP. Things have improved now; I was forgetting about that. Still, too late for DD whose lungs were serverely compromised who had to be nursed by neonatal staff reeking of nicotine.

It's amazing that little detail didn't get ironed out before the whole smoking ban bit really when you think about it.

I really couldn't have given a rat's arse about their make up or lack of it! My favourite nurse, who later became DD's Godmother, never used to wear any to work.

nailpolish · 01/02/2008 10:37

it is disgusting, i totally agree with you, Gabrielle

sorry to hear about little dd being in scbu

cheshirekitty · 01/02/2008 13:41

Totally agree with Gabrielle about the smoking thing. I work with a doctor who positively reeks of smoke, and one of us (nurses) is going to have to tell him to wash his clothes and don't smoke before he comes to work. Hope it is not me who gets picked to tell him.

tori32 · 01/02/2008 14:09

I smoke but do completely agree with the not smoking aspect. I used lots of breath spray/ deoderant and always changed before going outside to smoke. I always ensured my hands were washed so they didn't smell either. Not that I had the time for many cigs anyway

nailpolish · 01/02/2008 14:13

breath spray, deodorant doesnt help. sorry but it doesnt. and i dotn believe for a second that you get changed out of your uniform to go and have a fag in your lunchbreak

PooperScoop · 01/02/2008 14:14

Good God me neither!!

tori32 · 01/02/2008 14:17

I did get changed every time. Thats because I worked in operating theatres as a scrub nurse and would have been standing outside with a fag in my scrub suit .
It must have worked because having been there for about a year we went on a night out and I had lots of people saying 'I didn't know you smoked'.

Kewcumber · 01/02/2008 14:20

I don;t wear make-up and I am overweight (and can be pretty unkempt) - is it just the health service I'm barred from working in or are there other employers I have to avoid .

Actually nearly went to medical school, so could well have been one of the people being complained about by OP. Obviously I would have developed a vaccine for HIV and saved millions of lives so I would have been forgiven perhaps. A sad loss to the world of medicine but finance's gain I think

AnneMayesR · 01/02/2008 21:05

I think it's true that nurses and doctors do sometimes look unkempt. I think that nursing care could definitely be better. But I think these are symptoms if a wider problem rather than the nurses themselves. As you have seen on this thread, NHS managers lack knowledge and display an appalling attitude towards clinical workers. The working conditions are overwhelming and impossible for many hospital nurses. If anything will make you look like shit...consistant sustained abuse will.

Lets look at some stats anyway. The following evidence is not understood by the good (not) folks running our hospitals.

query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E6DD1530F93AA25752C1A9649C8B63

In the journal article, University of Pennsylvania researchers analyze why nursing care means more to hospitalized patients than pillow plumping and good cheer.

They culled data from more than 200,000 patients and 10,000 nurses to calculate that for every additional patient a nurse is assigned to care for, the odds of a patient's dying within a month of hospital admission rises 7 percent. In other words, when your nurse cares for seven other patients on a shift, your chances of dying from whatever ails you are about 30 percent higher than it would have been if your nurse had only three others.

(Nurses in the UK average about anywhere from 1-10 to 1-20). It can be anything the managers want it to be and believe me, they want to divert as much money away from decent staffing as they can. When patients complain about waiting for a call bell to be answered, the managers forbid the nurses from talking about and explaining staffing levels because they "will not admit liability". They lay the blame with the nurses and nurses get a bad reputation....Anne)

www.nursingadvocacy.org/news/2002may30_nejm.html

May 30, 2002 -- In today's issue of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), researchers Jack Needleman of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston and Peter Buerhaus of Vanderbilt University?s School of Nursing in Nashville, Tennessee found that nurse short-staffing leads to deadly consequences for patients.

The study analyzed discharge data from 6 million patients and financial data and staffing surveys from 800 hospitals in 11 US states. When nurses were short-staffed, patients suffered up to 25% more life-threatening complications including infections, bleeding, pneumonia, shock, cardiac arrest, and "failure to rescue," all of which contributed to an increased length of hospital stay

(no nhs manager I was not kidding or being dramatic)

www.massnurses.org/safe_care/Safe_Staffing/news/2005/PhysSurv.htm

78% of MDs believe RN staffing levels are too low, 82% believe quality is suffering, an alarming 1-in-5 doctors report patient deaths due to nurses caring for too many patients

AnneMayesR · 01/02/2008 21:09

And some more. I do have to hope that the managers are good people who want to listen. I just don't know how to get them to.

www.crnbc.ca/downloads/402.pdf

AS RN to patient ratios decrease from 1:4 (proven safe ratio) to 1:10 (UK nurses may have 1-12 or more), the number of post op surgical patient deaths climbs dramatically. (aiken, Clarke, Sloan,Solkalski and Silber 2002).

allnurses.com/forums/f300/don-t-blame-nurse-fix-system-266262.html

The Allnurses.com discussion forum cites numerous first-hand stories of how nurses have blamed themselves, or have been blamed by hospital administrators, for dangerous and sometimes fatal medical errors. In most cases, these incidents reflect far more on deficiencies in the systems in which nurses must work.

At least four out of five medical errors are probably due not to negligence or carelessness, but to deficiencies in the system in which doctors and nurses must work. The ISO 9001:2000 standard and its health care specific modification, IWA‑1, recognize that people work in a system, and that a deficient system cannot deliver good quality no matter how skilled or careful the workers might be.

(why don't we explain this and all of the other stats to your "customers"......Anne)

It is a general rule in industry that only 15 to 20 percent of trouble comes from negligence, carelessness, and incompetence. The rest is due to deficient organizational systems that make trouble almost unavoidable. W. Edwards Deming's 85/15 rule says that 85 percent of all defects and errors are the fault of the system in which people must work, while 15 percent results from carelessness and negligence. Frank Gryna cites an 80:20 ratio, with 80 percent of errors and mistakes being "management-controllable" and only 20 being "worker-controllable." [1]

(i.e.organizational problems such as a NHS managers who have no clinical experience, a bad attitudes towards nurses and ignorance regarding nurse patient ratios. Total hospital wide system failures that cause the nurse to have to spend time away from patients i.e. chasing pharmacy up to do their jobs)

www.hbs.edu/research/facpubs/workingpapers/papers2/0203/03-059.pdf

Recently conducted large scale research found that:

In a given unit the optimal workload for a nurse was four patients. Increasing the workload to 6 resulted in patients being 14% more likely to die within 30 days of admission. A workload of 8 patients versus 4 was associated with a 31% increase in mortality. 4
Higher nurse staffing levels resulted in reduced numbers of urinary tract infections, pneumonia, upper gastrointestinal bleeding and shock in medical patients and lower rates of "failure to rescue" and urinary track infections in major surgery patients

(What have I said regarding the ratios we are working with at my hospital? According to this research even 1:8 is bad on a general ward...let alone the 1:20 that happens on mine. By the way,more HCA's (wonderful as they are)don't have an effect. Wards need to be staffed with actual nurses...........Anne).

kayzr · 01/02/2008 21:15

One of the nurses when i gave birth was immaculate(sp) but she was awful, really rude, nasty and made me feel like I didnt deserve to have ds. All because I was having trouble breast feeding and asked dh to get her for some advice and she was on the phone to another nurse who is her friend in another department talking about their night out. Ds ended up being bottle fed which at first made me feel like I'd failed as a mother. Yet the nurse who came in after looked a bit scruffy as she had been up all night with her own kids yet was one of the most lovely people I've ever met. So it just goes to show that ironed clothes aren't everything

Unfitmother · 01/02/2008 21:15

Can't see nhsmanager now

expatinscotland · 01/02/2008 21:17

Well, it's Friday night so Suzie's probably out boozing.

Unfitmother · 01/02/2008 21:18

Let's hope she's looking smart

Shaniece · 01/02/2008 21:34

kayzr - you have a very valid point as similar happened to me. The very dolled up nurses were reading Ok mag, drinking coffee and chatting to fellow staff by the nurses/midwife station. Any interuptions and they got quite stroppy about it. That was my first birth my second thankfully was better.

expatinscotland · 01/02/2008 21:36

I hope she doesn't get too boozy. She might look a bit rough and who knows, maybe one of the nurses she interacted with might see her.

kayzr · 01/02/2008 21:38

We're going to try and start trying for number 2 and Im really worried about going back and getting the same person. I really want to try to bf next time round and because I got no help with ds I wont again

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