To be disgusted that nurses may be striking for a 17% pay rise!

[justonemire]

Of course nurses should receive a fair salary and of course they have as much right as anyone else to ask for a pay rise. However to ask for a pay rise that is 5% above the current 12% inflation rate is just ridiculous and never going to be approved.

The average nurses salary is £35.600 and this would equate to a pay rise of £6.150.

Yes nurses do a great job but so do a lot of other key workers in the public sector who have only received 2%

The government simply cannot accept the nurses pay demands because if they do everyone else would go on strike for a similar deal. Where would it end.

Therefore the outcome is that people will not receive the proper level of care we are all paying taxes for. If there are strikes then The NHS will be run as if it is Christmas Day. God help us and our loved ones then.

There will be resulting misdiagnosis and deaths and where will the fault lie? Yes you can blame the government, Putin for invading Ukraine and pushing up food and energy costs, etc but I think we will also all blame the nursing profession too for asking for a completely unrealistic 17% pay rise.

Of course nurses should get the 17% pay rise. They deserve every penny. My DSis is a nurse. She use to love her job but feel under so much pressure. She works unsociable hours, weekends, Holidays, Christmas. It is endless.

Of course we support you. A lot of us have family members who are/were nurses and we know how hard you work, how much you care and the huge difference you make for your patients. We also know how much nurses really don’t want to strike and that you’re being left with no option.

You are being very unreasonable.

I fully support the nurses striking and in fact any Healthcare workers. They are seriously underpaid for the amazing work they do.

I've yet to have a positive experience with any nurse in the NHS.

So what? I've had lots of positive experiences with nurses in the NHS, as have members of my family. The fact is that neither of our experiences, good or bad, are actually the slightest bit relevant to the discussion. Or are you seriously suggesting that because you happen to have had some poor experiences involving nurses, that means an entire profession should be punished with several more years of pay freezes or increases so pitiful they amount to a pay cut in real terms? Because that would be completely insane.

A Bus driver pulled out on me without indicating the other day...perhaps that means none of them should get a pay rise.

Nurses pay is shocking really considering you have to have a degree to do it these days. Even with the NHS bursary you leave with at least £15k of debt. They are really struggling now to recruit nurses. I know of one university that didnt get a single application for their adult nursing course this year. Something needs to be done. That said the bureaucracy in the NHS needs tackling once and for all as the institution itself costs far more than some other European countries and has far worse outcomes.

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I fully support the nurses . What a job they do . 💯 deserve it . I am fully in support

Solidarity with the nurses all day long ✊🏻

If nurses get a payrise of 17% hopefully it kick-start all over public sector works getting the same. I'm a civil servant and only got 1-2% for the past 10 years. I've hit my top earning potential so just losing real income currently.

I'm less well off now than I was 5 years ago despite earning £10k more (from job jumping).

Comparing not indicating with causing the needless deaths of patients. That's a first 😂

Would a pay rise make her stay though? If it’s that bad?

Nah, the OP is clearly Grant Shapps.

If the NHS paid nurses a decent wage then perhaps they would retain their staff. So many nurses leave the NHS to join agencies which pay them £40 + an hour. And frankly who can blame them? If the moneys there for the taking then there going to take it. Unfortunately though this is what drains the NHS, it’s not rocket science.

Why should nurse A (employed by the NHS) work for peanuts while Nurse B (Agency nurse) gets paid a lot more money for doing the same, or in some cases less, work. It’s a piss take!

have a feeling this is just a journalist being goady but, no they deserve it and more

i could never do what they do let alone for that pay

DS2 and DDIL are both band 6. DS2 got his band 6 post within 18mths of qualifying, DDIL took about 3yrs. DS2 does a hell of a lot of nights so that does bump his wage up a little bit, but the responsibility he has in his post is immense. I wouldn’t want it.

He’s really cross that the media keep saying the average nurse earns £35k because it’s not true, and too many people are clinging on to it as gospel so think nurses have nothing to complain about when they absolutely do. This isn’t just about pay though, it’s about working conditions. Patient safety is being compromised atm,. The Govt know. They’ve known for years but they don’t care, hence why it’s getting worse and any attempt to rectify are all temporary measures and like sticking a plaster on a gaping wound.

Nurses are the ones who are going home worrying about their patients. Nurses are the ones being pulled in all different directions. Nurses are the ones who cry because they know they can’t look after 7 patients, to the best of their ability, in a 6 bedded bay, but they have no choice but to try. They’re trying to fight a fire with a leaky hose and getting nowhere. No wonder they’re leaving in their droves.

DS1 is a corporal in the army, he earns more than DS2. Of course I think they both deserve a fair wage for what they do, and DS1 has been in his job slightly longer, but I’m not sure this is right tbh.

Is the average nurse salary over £35,000 and are they striking for an additional £6000. Since HCA's do the heavy lifting work then if that's the case they are unreasonable.

What's the betting that @justonemire has slithered back under her rock and name changed by now?

It's funny how the same people who can justify high wages in areas like finance, because wages need to be 'competitive' to retain the best, apply a different logic to people working in the NHS. Somehow when its tax payers money rather than their own personal investment at stake, anything will do.

I’ll let my DDIL know that her bad back is a figment of her imagination since HCAs do all the heavy lifting work, then… She will be pleased, she won’t have to pay the osteopath anymore 🙄

I know. Disgusting.
They should just be happy that we clapped for them.
Ungrateful lot!

Hmmm. Pay permanent nursing staff up to a fraction over median wage £35k to work fulltime, retain cover and have them hang around - or spend ten/twenty/a hundred times that on making agencies a fortune, having constantly changing bank staff and pillage the developing world of their qualified nurses?

I wonder which is actually cheaper?

Ok, To clarify a few points. It’s not all out strike.It’s an RCN strike, a ballot of RCN members. Not all nurse are RCN, many nurses are Unison Members. Only RCN members can strike on RCN strike day.

The union and hospital managers meet and mutually agree critical cover eg what will remain staffed. This is called derogation. RCN members in identified critical cover areas are authorised to attend work,by mutual agreement.
There will be nurse cover from the Unison staff

2016 Junior Doctor strike we had consultants covering the Workload, providing cover. Junior Doctors are being balloted again regard industrial action. Unison members eg Nurses, HCA, OT, SALT, Physio, porters etc are all currently being balloted regard industrial action.

Staff are exhausted,demoralised, and no one strikes without a lot of emotional turmoil

I am not a nurse but I wholeheartedly support the RCN and I anticipate Unison and probably will strike too

Much as I think nurses are incredibly underpaid in this country, this isn’t comparing like for like. I know someone, who recently visited the US. The taxi driver told her he needed to gross $9k a month.

I do wish nurses the very best of luck. Many kept going and risked their health. Have people forgotten the deaths of medical and other frontline staff published with their photograph daily on the tv?

Can I also add the nurses pay scale is the salary scale for Allied health professionals eg OT, Physio,SALT,paramedics, HCA, phlebotomy, also the managers, admin.
So a huge cohort of staff are underpaid

so lets start by reducing tHe insane amounts footballers are paid on pass it on to HNS staff, They are so more useful and needed
Football is a game. . NHS is NEEDED, Give them what they
deserve. They are angels in uniforms..
they deserve the rise.
Would you du do what they do day in day out?
NHS cared for my dying husbanD. THEY DESERVE THE BEST BECASUSE THEY ARE THW BEST.
ANGELS IN NURSES UNIFORMS