Page 13 | To be disgusted that nurses may be striking for a 17% pay rise!

chaosmaker · 07/11/2022 18:21

Zilla1 · 07/11/2022 18:16

@chaosmaker you're right though I don't recall if Parris lasted the week. I'd still find it contemptible if they lasted the week as there's a world of difference between knowing it will end and someone on UC living in fear of something breaking and of an unexpected bill (as indeed many not on UC do increasingly now too) and seeing their children miss out.

I try and note when the government try and paint UC recipients as unemployed/lazy/scroungers even though half? are in work on low paid jobs and the UC in effect subsidises corporate profits.

Think I remember 2 different tories trying it and failing (surprise there) as it's a pittance to live on.
I notice the OP has not enabled voting on this.....

StressedToTheMaxxx · 07/11/2022 18:21

ThingsIhavelearnt · 07/11/2022 16:59

Yes they do earn £35,000 a year as of 2022. Where is your data saying they don’t?

ons agrees the average nurse is on £35K

indeed a starting salary is over £27 K

please get your facts right before you start or quote correctly

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Why don't you get your facts correct? You have screenshotted the first thing you found on Google for nurse salary.

If you want the "data", it can be found if you search 'Agenda for Change'. You can find the salaries for all banding in the NHS there, including band 5s, which the majority of nurses are.

Then you will realise you are talking out your arse.

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 07/11/2022 18:22

reesewithoutaspoon · 07/11/2022 16:54

I was a top band 6. That involved being in charge of one of the PICU's with 8 patients and 8 staff under me.
I was responsible for every patient in that unit. would have to know every detail about their medical condition, expected problems, and treatment plan, also manage the staff, making sure the staff were capable for the patients they had and supervising and mentoring the more junior staff. dealing with any emergencies and initiating resuscitations, altering ventilation, dealing with controlled drugs, Inserting cannulas, taking blood for tests, checking medications with all the nurses, making up IV's dealing with families, emergency admissions, social workers, and police. carrying out sickness reviews and performance reviews,
on top of that making sure we had enough medications/fluids/emergency equipment for the shift, doing rounds with consultants, checking blood results, running blood gases, doing ECG,s, organising relief for staff for breaks and bathroom. Dealing with child death and bereavement. dealing with major trauma,s, and tragedies. Often we would have no support staff, so on top of that, I would be running around getting feeds, nappies, drugs, and equipment and answering the bloody phone because they wouldn't employ support staff. Dealing with sudden staff sickness and having to juggle staff around to taking a patient while trying to also run the unit.

For all that I received £34k with 30 years of ICU experience and multiple courses to improve my skills.
Due to the increase in professional fees, car park fees, and pension contributions I was taking home the same in 2020 as I was in 2010.
I left

Read this again OP

Anniegetyourgun · 07/11/2022 18:22

NCFT0922 · 07/11/2022 17:38

@Pinkapron also, people can choose to go into a trade knowing they can earn very good money. Nobody goes into nursing expecting to be rich. They go into it to help, no?

And they're not going to be rich, so that's ok.

I can't help wondering whether this poster is very low paid, and thinks £35k is a fortune by comparison, or very high paid, and way out of touch with the reality of making ends meet on a modest salary (with rather more deductions than your average income, heinously). "Vocation" is a weasel word if used as an excuse to underpay your workforce.

Melonmango70 · 07/11/2022 18:24

Newly qualified nurses earn just over £13 an hour. I'd like to see you take responsibility for the lives of 8 patients in an acute medical unit for that.

WhenWillWeWin · 07/11/2022 18:24

notacooldad · 07/11/2022 16:51

Often on Mumsnet you get government employees trying to influence public opinion. I wonder if that is the case with this thread…
👏👏👏
Absolutely. I said this a couple of years ago, not about nurses obviously but something else that controversial at the time.
It had spin written all over it!

Agreed

Dazzledee · 07/11/2022 18:24

I qualified in 2004 and have been in a specialist post for a number of years. I am the top of a band 6... AFC wasn't a thing until 2005 so my initial pay scale wasn't an AFC pay scale. Today, I earn £300 more a month than I did back in 2004, despite having worked through many many increments. Cost of living is far more than £300 more a month. We are over worked and under valued. I will definitely be striking when the day comes.

Zilla1 · 07/11/2022 18:25

Or the OP might be early career and hoping their earnings go up to wild levels. Am struggling for an analogy... Like a SPAD or intern hoping to become an MP then PM then make £10s of millions perhaps.

Longtimeteacher · 07/11/2022 18:26

Having spent 15 hours in A&E last week and seeing what nurses deal with, they would deserve every penny of that 17% pay rise.

Nottodaty · 07/11/2022 18:27

My pay isn’t much different and I didn’t get a pay rise this year. BUT I’m not a nurse and I have no problem with them being paid a lot more than me!

Good nurses are worth it!

Now I know lots of parts of NhS are a leaky bucket and badly managed - fear stops those parts being fixed. Nurses though should be paid properly end of .

Bunchesxxx · 07/11/2022 18:27

justonemire · 07/11/2022 14:58

Of course nurses should receive a fair salary and of course they have as much right as anyone else to ask for a pay rise. However to ask for a pay rise that is 5% above the current 12% inflation rate is just ridiculous and never going to be approved.

The average nurses salary is £35.600 and this would equate to a pay rise of £6.150.

Yes nurses do a great job but so do a lot of other key workers in the public sector who have only received 2%

The government simply cannot accept the nurses pay demands because if they do everyone else would go on strike for a similar deal. Where would it end.

Therefore the outcome is that people will not receive the proper level of care we are all paying taxes for. If there are strikes then The NHS will be run as if it is Christmas Day. God help us and our loved ones then.

There will be resulting misdiagnosis and deaths and where will the fault lie? Yes you can blame the government, Putin for invading Ukraine and pushing up food and energy costs, etc but I think we will also all blame the nursing profession too for asking for a completely unrealistic 17% pay rise.

£35,600 might be London wages but I'm in the northeast, at the top of my band and get at least £3k less than that figure!!

Globe22 · 07/11/2022 18:27

Solidarity 💪🏻 I’ve just voted to strike - teacher! Power to the People!

Freespirit42 · 07/11/2022 18:27

Haven’t read all the comments but when they say average that means between bands but one nurse was on the radio and said she doesn’t recognise 36 k for most nurses starting on band five she said it’s closer to 27 thousand . As it’s designed to deceive the average as it takes in band five band six and band eight and like she said majority are on band five . I think the gov knows that nurses normally don’t go on strike so they pay them peanuts and I think they should go on strike, I have been in hospital many times and they are so over worked

pinkksugarmouse · 07/11/2022 18:28

YANU Nurses have been underpaid for years and then put their lives at risk through covid and went through mental trauma nursing dying patients who had to turn to them as their loved ones couldn’t be there.

Don’t ever let the rich divide and conquer. Immigrants and indigenous Brits, Working people and those too ill to work, public sector vs private and now pitting patients against the nurses. The unity of those struggling is our strength. Support others on low incomes get a fairer deal or the wealthy and elite will divide us. Stop reading the Daily Fail. It’s only fit for lining cat trays.

Renalmum · 07/11/2022 18:28

OP as said above you actually need to do your own research. I'm actually a nurse. The average band 5 nurse does not earn £35,000 a year. That would actually be a Senior Charge nurse/ Sister who would be in charge of a ward or department. The majority of nurses are a band 5. This strike isn't just for nurses. It's for the porters, domestics, caterers, Health care support workers etc. I'm only supposed to be part time (Contracted) but since brexit/covid I've had to, along with a few colleagues, work full time so my patients get the treatment they need to survive. We just can't recruit enough nurses. It saddened me no end when there was a post on my work intanet giving advice to make sure people were getting the benefits they are entitled to. I could go on and on.

Kilofoxtrot99 · 07/11/2022 18:29

justonemire You have absolutely no idea what nurses, along with the entire Nhs frontline staff are facing, and the fact that they all are the glue holding the NHS together through good will alone sadly won’t stop ignorant opinions like the one you have posted, what a huge slap in the face for all the nhs staff struggling to provide a service to those that need it. I’m so disgusted by your post, how quickly people forget what so many did during the worst of the covid crisis, so many people went above and beyond and still are every single day, and this is the response. It’s a battle for staff to provide care for those that actually need it now, the fact that you have the perception that nurses diagnose patients tells me how little you understand. I hope you never have to be at that crucial point of either being critically ill, or near death, but I guarantee if you are, you would gladly see the NHS staff be paid double the pittance they are currently struggling with to keep going on. Get your facts straight, or sign on to the frontline of health care if you think you could make a difference as well as the current workforce with what they earn. Cop on to yourself.

Ohuhu · 07/11/2022 18:30

I have full solidarity with striking nurses. Their work is at turns gruelling, heart-breaking, exhausting, technical, responsible, and dangerous; they deserve a proper wage. To do all they do, and still not be able to afford basic comforts - who would be a nurse?

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/11/2022 18:31

RambamThankyouMam · 07/11/2022 15:05

everyone else would go on strike for a similar deal. Where would it end.

Everyone else should! It would end with a properly-paid workforce, and more power in the hands of the majority. Sounds good to me.

Solidarity with all striking workers ✊🏽

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Nursing staff - and many other occupations- have effectively taken a pay cut.

Meanwhile politicians vote themselves above inflation pay rises, have huge expenses and subsidised food, drink and housing.

This decision hasn't been taken lightly - no medical staff want to do this. They have been forced into it.

It isn't them who are risking people's lives - it's this shambolic, uncaring govt.

Freespirit42 · 07/11/2022 18:32

Renalmum · 07/11/2022 18:28

OP as said above you actually need to do your own research. I'm actually a nurse. The average band 5 nurse does not earn £35,000 a year. That would actually be a Senior Charge nurse/ Sister who would be in charge of a ward or department. The majority of nurses are a band 5. This strike isn't just for nurses. It's for the porters, domestics, caterers, Health care support workers etc. I'm only supposed to be part time (Contracted) but since brexit/covid I've had to, along with a few colleagues, work full time so my patients get the treatment they need to survive. We just can't recruit enough nurses. It saddened me no end when there was a post on my work intanet giving advice to make sure people were getting the benefits they are entitled to. I could go on and on.

As a regular patient lymphodema and extreme cellulitis sepsis etc I have had conversations with nurses and surprised that some have voted tory that I couldn’t get my head round found more the older ones than the younger ones because I do ask these questions. I remember in accident and emergency I said to the staff once when Jeremy hunt was health guy bet you guys want some signs don’t you saying hunt the cxxt they laughed . When ever I hear anyone at hospital doc moan I ask which way they voted they are like why I am like well and if they ever say tory I am like you do know these deckers want it privatised so you guys get upset at the nhs . I am a big supporter of you guys

FlossMeg · 07/11/2022 18:34

Sorry I support nurses having what I think is fair pay.

LemonPledge555 · 07/11/2022 18:36

JFC. You’re being VVVV U.

Whaeva · 07/11/2022 18:37

Have you ever been to hospital before or tried talking to your Nurse at surgery? How overworked and underpaid they are. It's awful that people have issues for them asking for a fair pay. You are very unreasonable.

GingerScallop · 07/11/2022 18:37

what causes misdiagnosis and deaths is an underpaid, overworked, demotivated NHS. 'nough said

surreygirl1987 · 07/11/2022 18:37

OP, you are extremely ignorant.

missingeu · 07/11/2022 18:38

I'm on a nurse, I would love to be on £35,600... instead as graudate with 4 years experience (ICU etc) I'm on £27000. I never get a break at work because there is no enough time in the day to get a break. I have more patients than ever before due to the lack of nurses. It's unsafe to practice at times.