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AIBU?

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To think my MIL is wrong?

302 replies

Bluemonkey18 · 04/11/2022 22:10

I was talking with gf mother (61) about carving pumpkins and she said that they didn't have pumpkins back in the 60s and instead carved turnips. She said they would put a candle inside and run around, rattling bins and scaring people. And that trick or treating wasn't a thing.

OP posts:
Mountainpika · 05/11/2022 12:49

Halloween was never a thing for us. I was born in 1947.

Munchyseeds2 · 05/11/2022 13:05

Why would you think MIL is wrong?

JudgeJ · 05/11/2022 13:07

PinkyFlamingo · 05/11/2022 09:19

Why on earth would you think your MIL is wrong?

Aren't all MILs wrong according to MN? Quite a novelty to read so much support for a MIL! So many people think things only started when they themselves were born,

JudgeJ · 05/11/2022 13:09

JetBlackSteed · 04/11/2022 22:32

Yes she's right.
halloween is an Irish thing, centuries old. The Irish took the traditional celebrations with them when they emigrated to scotland, england and the us.
it predates the American trick or treating.

I am in my fifties and have fond memories of my dad carving turnips with a sharp Stanley knife so that we kids could go Rhyming with our lighted turnips.

in fact, I still make the kids say the rhyme at the door before they get sweets if they rock up and say Trick or Treat. And all of them still know it btw.

halloween is coming
and the goose is getting fat
please put a penny
in the old man's hat
if you haven't got a penny
a ha'penny will do
and if you haven't got a ha'penny
then god bless you!

The rhyme used to start
Christmas is coming

DappledThings · 05/11/2022 13:46

JudgeJ · 05/11/2022 13:09

The rhyme used to start
Christmas is coming

Yeah, it's definitely Christmas. It makes no sense to have used it for Halloween. Eating goose at Christmas is a tradition hundreds of years old. The geese getting fat for Halloween is nonsense.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/11/2022 13:47

Nolongera · 05/11/2022 09:23

The modern version of Halloween is nowt like the old version, it's an American import.

Turnips that took most of the day to carve and you cut your hands to ribbons, then stunk to high heaven when a candle was lit.

On the plus side, turnip was free as my dad grew them in the garden. We used to Bob for apples, a big bin filled to the brim with water then apples added, you had to tilt your head upside down to get on. Apples were free too.

Looking back, we did a lot of stuff that was free.

Bonfire night was bigger, penny for the guy and I had loads of family nearby, we always hosted it and all my cousins would turn up.

I am old now but I would cut my right hand off just to go back to those days for a few hours.

I am old now but I would cut my right hand off just to go back to those days for a few hours.

Same here, but as two one-handed turnip carvers we might have to combine forces. 😄

Ticksallboxes · 05/11/2022 13:48

LucyLastikk · 05/11/2022 11:26

AIBU ... to be surprised by what my MIL told me?

There - improved it for you, OP - your're welcome!

This!

I'm in my early 50s and Halloween was never a thing - we didn't do anything. The current Halloween obsession comes from the US.

In fact I was shocked at the fuss made over it when my DCs started junior school - I'm so glad they're old enough to make their own fun about it now.

EsmeSusanOgg · 05/11/2022 14:31

mn29 · 05/11/2022 09:27

Yes really. I’m also early 40s and never saw a real pumpkin as a child. Why are people questioning others’ memories?! By the way 5 years is not ‘a couple’.

The 'really?' was a turn of phrase to indicate surprise. I'm not questioning other people's memories! Just surprised that there is such a big different between what people did in the past over a very short period of time. It's quite a common turn of phrase in my neck of the woods (South Wales). It seems there's a substantial difference between when/ what traditions people took part in as children depending on where they lived - as much as when. Certainly if your childhood was in the later half of the 20th Century.

For what it's worth, my dad (born late 1940s, Midlands) remembers pole bobbing at Halloween parties as a kid - but said trick or treating wasn't done and making a guy/ penny for a guy was a bigger deal. My mum (born 1950s, South Wales) pretty much the same. She said her family (lived with her religious grandparents) didn't do dressing up for Halloween, but friends did to go to parties (usually guides/ scouts/ church hall stuff). She said trick or treating was fairly new when I was a little kid - but after ET came out more people wanted to do it.

This notalgia trip has really made me want to do apple bobbing and eat hot dogs by a big bonfire at a scout hut though!

LaQuern · 05/11/2022 14:50

We did swedes and blistered our palms doing it. It was hard work!!

Kids these days with their soft squishy pumpkins.... don't know they're born...

reesewithoutaspoon · 05/11/2022 17:50

A lot of recent traditions have been imported from the states and its sad to see our own traditions pushed out.

Baby showers, never happened, it was considered unlucky to buy anything before the baby safely arrived, but to visit once it was here with a present and to cross the baby's palm with silver for luck.

End of school prom. We would have a leaving disco and everyone would sign each others shirts.

Pre-school graduations, seeing more and more Fb pics of 4-year-olds in graduation caps and robes.

Just feels like more and more 'events' to celebrate (put pressure on parents to spend money)

paintitallover · 05/11/2022 17:57

I'm surprised you are challenging someone's experience as being "wrong". People can have had different experiences to you, you see.

WonkasBooboofixer · 05/11/2022 18:13

We did turnips in the 80's/90's my god they are hard to carve.

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/11/2022 18:40

reesewithoutaspoon · 05/11/2022 17:50

A lot of recent traditions have been imported from the states and its sad to see our own traditions pushed out.

Baby showers, never happened, it was considered unlucky to buy anything before the baby safely arrived, but to visit once it was here with a present and to cross the baby's palm with silver for luck.

End of school prom. We would have a leaving disco and everyone would sign each others shirts.

Pre-school graduations, seeing more and more Fb pics of 4-year-olds in graduation caps and robes.

Just feels like more and more 'events' to celebrate (put pressure on parents to spend money)

Totally agree with all the above. I hate all those things.

Mummieslncorporated · 05/11/2022 18:44

12 pages and nearly a day later, and op hasn't been back (although I haven't rtft, just clicked the 'see all' link.

Hopefully op realises that mil in this case is not wrong. We did neepie lanterns.

Murdoch1949 · 05/11/2022 18:47

Carving turnips, that's a job and a half. Butternut squash are easy peasy compared to bullet like turnips. Actually I think the poster means swedes, in Scotland they call them turnips, which in England are small white veg.

LadyAddle · 05/11/2022 18:51

Scotland in the 50s - turnip lanterns, with added blood from where the knife slipped carving them .....

FarmGirl78 · 05/11/2022 18:59
  1. North West. Turnips.
JaceLancs · 05/11/2022 19:02

58 living in Lancashire - Halloween wasn’t a big thing but we carved lanterns from turnips or large swede
pumpkins were not on sale in any greengrocers in the 60s or 70s where I lived

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/11/2022 19:04

Murdoch1949 · 05/11/2022 18:47

Carving turnips, that's a job and a half. Butternut squash are easy peasy compared to bullet like turnips. Actually I think the poster means swedes, in Scotland they call them turnips, which in England are small white veg.

Only in the south.

Here in the North we know what a turnip is and it isn't those titchy little things.

RosesAndHellebores · 05/11/2022 19:16

Thinking this through, I imagine turnips were easy to carve with power tools.

ProfYaffle · 05/11/2022 19:34

RosesAndHellebores · 05/11/2022 19:16

Thinking this through, I imagine turnips were easy to carve with power tools.

Last year I bought myself a knock off dremel specifically for carving turnips!

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/11/2022 19:34

RosesAndHellebores · 05/11/2022 19:16

Thinking this through, I imagine turnips were easy to carve with power tools.

Lol we used sharp knives. I remember having to take a swede and a kitchen knife to school in year 6 to make them. It would never happen now.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/11/2022 20:52

RosesAndHellebores · 05/11/2022 19:16

Thinking this through, I imagine turnips were easy to carve with power tools.

Funnily enough I was just wondering if Black and Decker made an attachment.

Brefugee · 05/11/2022 21:45

i just remembered my mum taking me to the pictures in - hmm will have been '69 or '70. We saw Sleeping Beauty, and i remember the dragon thing really scaring me. Then on the way home we met a bunch of "witches" going to a party and i screamed the place down. That will have been Camberly/Sandhurst area. (they gave me a sweet and i was fine after that)

Trumpton · 06/11/2022 00:24

To those of you wondering the modern way to carve a turnip/ swede/ moot.
You need a spade bit for your electric drill.