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ADHD Ruining my relationship - help?

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Icedamericano · 04/11/2022 21:00

Hi all

long time lurker but braving a post today. please be kind because I’m finding things hard.

I have ADHD. Recently diagnosed (I’m 32).
Always knew I was different but had no idea what ADHD was until diagnosed so learning a lot still.

anyway, I have been with my partner for
13 years. We have a great life. Two children, felt like our relationship was in the best place it’s ever been. You know that on top of the world kind of feeling?

except for my ADHD. I love my partner unconditionally. He’s my world but he’s not very cuddly or touchy feely . Which has meant when someone messages me (guys) I will talk to them. It’s like I’m thrill seeking but with no want to be with or see anyone else. And it’s like I don’t really realise what I’m doing. To me it was just a normal conversation- well the guy made a few flirty comments but he’s an old friend so we chatted casually. I didn’t say anything flirty but I also didn’t shut the conversation off when I should have. My partner saw my phone and is devastated. This same scenario has happened a couple of times in our past when we were younger too. This conversation was literally only a few messages back and forth. We didn’t speak much.

but it’s really ruining my relationship and my poor other half doesn’t deserve this.

im always seeking that kind of dopamine feeling. The thrill and excitement that I think I miss as he’s not touchy with me. I would never physically cheat but this is bad enough

what can I do to help this? Please tell me I’m not the only one? I use social media for my work so I can’t delete it otherwise I would but please help.

OP posts:
TheWolves · 05/11/2022 20:20

memorial · 05/11/2022 18:54

But it seems your partner does think its an affair/not on. You really don't seem to care about him at all in this. Just how it affects you. That's not ADHD. It's narcissism

I'm not the OP. She's already been scared off by everyone attacking her.

RampantIvy · 06/11/2022 13:44

While some of the replies were OTT I hope the OP has realised that her behaviour is considered really unacceptable, and maybe she will take steps to address it.

AlienatedChildGrown · 06/11/2022 19:04

@MNHQ Why has the thread had so many posts deleted ?

As in what was the nature of the reports ?
I’m interested because I’m neurodivergent and recently I’ve had cause to think people are censoring themselves around the subject of ADHD.

Which makes me feel really paranoid. I’d rather engage with people who have an opinion on the disorder, whether they also have it or not, than feel if I state my diagnosis some will feel the need to tip toe around me.

I’d be grateful if you could clarify what exactly the issue was. Particularly to confirm we haven’t all been unwillingly chucked into a NNT zone of “protected feelings persons”, policed by a committee I didn’t even know was running for election, let alone voted for.

Cos that would suck.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 02:53

AlienatedChildGrown · 06/11/2022 19:04

@MNHQ Why has the thread had so many posts deleted ?

As in what was the nature of the reports ?
I’m interested because I’m neurodivergent and recently I’ve had cause to think people are censoring themselves around the subject of ADHD.

Which makes me feel really paranoid. I’d rather engage with people who have an opinion on the disorder, whether they also have it or not, than feel if I state my diagnosis some will feel the need to tip toe around me.

I’d be grateful if you could clarify what exactly the issue was. Particularly to confirm we haven’t all been unwillingly chucked into a NNT zone of “protected feelings persons”, policed by a committee I didn’t even know was running for election, let alone voted for.

Cos that would suck.

They were blanket denials that ADHD can cause certain behaviours and traits in people.

They mostly broke talk guidelines because they descended into just pain nastiness, foul name calling, denial of peoples diagnoses etc. Not all but most.

AlienatedChildGrown · 07/11/2022 06:42

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 02:53

They were blanket denials that ADHD can cause certain behaviours and traits in people.

They mostly broke talk guidelines because they descended into just pain nastiness, foul name calling, denial of peoples diagnoses etc. Not all but most.

ADHD comes with traits.

The behaviours those traits manifest as, that’s up to us as adults.

What is the goal here ? Infantilise us as unable to make any rational choices about what we do, and to whom ?

Set up barriers for any adult diagnosed by telling them ADHD makes them do it and they have the control of a day old kitten over it ?

No. No. A million times no. I will not participate in something designed to make us fail harder, for longer and deny us the VERY REAL potential to create a life we make, for the better.

And I sure as hell won’t participate in something that is practically designed to make the rest of humanity write us off as basically overgrown toddlers who have no ownership over our behaviours.

@MNHQ Please note, just like other subjects that became taboo to discuss, due to pressure from a few who decided they were the Warrior Queens a With a Cause, those who bombard you with -ist or -isms flavoured reports represent nobody except themselves.

Please don’t condemn the bulk of us with the diagnosis to their “public forum trigger happy deletions” tyranny.

I am more than happy to have a conversation, via text, zoom or other, with you and your team to put forward one of the MANY alternative perspectives within the “ADHD Community”. If you have to call us that. Cos we aren’t a community. Those who pootle off to decide how to censor the rest of humanity might be. But they sure as hell don’t represent all, or perhaps even many, of us. And IMO, AT BEST, their beliefs, values and actions are chockablock full of unintended consequences that I do not wish to be the collateral damage of. It is worth noting that as much as I didn’t like negative judgements growing up and being an adult, those not particularly fluffy judgments kept me alive, by forming crash barriers I didn’t want to bounce off, let alone through.

I’m serious. Moderation team. Please at least hear from those of us not embedded in the NNT War Room of Controlling People & Electing Ourselves as Chief Activists before you blindly submit to a policy designed (accidentally or on purpose) to cause us more harm than good.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 11:00

Well @AlienatedChildGrown I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about.

But I will say, if you can’t or won’t understand that no two people with ADHD are going to be able to manage themselves and how their ADHD manifests exactly the same. Or that people may have external stressors in their lives that exacerbate their ADHD meaning they’re unable to effectively ‘stay on top of things’ so to speak then really there’s no point in conversing with you.

AlienatedChildGrown · 07/11/2022 11:32

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 11:00

Well @AlienatedChildGrown I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about.

But I will say, if you can’t or won’t understand that no two people with ADHD are going to be able to manage themselves and how their ADHD manifests exactly the same. Or that people may have external stressors in their lives that exacerbate their ADHD meaning they’re unable to effectively ‘stay on top of things’ so to speak then really there’s no point in conversing with you.

Yep. That’s the typical response when I won’t play “Ableist Ball”.

My entire point being that a report button happy self-elected spokespersons don’t get to speak for all of us, all of the time. Because we have more differences than similarities. What with being human and all that jazz.

I’ve seen what rolling your eyeballs does when self appointed activists start ramming the entire cohort into a shitstorm. Entire other groups are living with the mother of all backlashes on that score. @MNHQ You’ve seen what a lack on noticeable dissenters can end up causing, when their perspective isn’t factored in at the start. I’m more than willing to pipe up with an alternative perspective …. while there is still time.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 11:35

Lol okay doky 👍🏻

whatdoesthisallmean · 07/11/2022 11:40

Hi @Icedamericano there is a specific thread for neurodiverse mumsneters. I wonder if you posted on that if you might get some helpful advice.

Kite22 · 07/11/2022 16:12

They were blanket denials that ADHD can cause certain behaviours and traits in people.
They mostly broke talk guidelines because they descended into just pain nastiness, foul name calling, denial of peoples diagnoses etc. Not all but most.

That is simply not true though.
I've been on here 20 odd years under one name or another and have only ever been deleted once before (troll hunting apparently when I challenged the story of an op, whose thread then got deleted for being a troll Hmm). I can 100% say I did not post anything nasty, I did not call anyone names, and I did not deny anyone's diagnosis. Nor did any of the posts that I had read before making my post (can't speak for the ones that came afterwards and were deleted before I saw them).
This is blatantly not true.

Very well said @AlienatedChildGrown
There is more than one way ADHD present and there are many, many ways of living with it. That includes not using it as an excuse for any thing you do that might upset people.

RampantIvy · 07/11/2022 16:24

There is more than one way ADHD present and there are many, many ways of living with it. That includes not using it as an excuse for any thing you do that might upset people.

Well said. I found @AlienatedChildGrown's post very interesting.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 16:51

Kite22 · 07/11/2022 16:12

They were blanket denials that ADHD can cause certain behaviours and traits in people.
They mostly broke talk guidelines because they descended into just pain nastiness, foul name calling, denial of peoples diagnoses etc. Not all but most.

That is simply not true though.
I've been on here 20 odd years under one name or another and have only ever been deleted once before (troll hunting apparently when I challenged the story of an op, whose thread then got deleted for being a troll Hmm). I can 100% say I did not post anything nasty, I did not call anyone names, and I did not deny anyone's diagnosis. Nor did any of the posts that I had read before making my post (can't speak for the ones that came afterwards and were deleted before I saw them).
This is blatantly not true.

Very well said @AlienatedChildGrown
There is more than one way ADHD present and there are many, many ways of living with it. That includes not using it as an excuse for any thing you do that might upset people.

That is absolutely not true, the poster who responded to me blatantly denied my diagnosis and called me an idiot amongst other incredibly cruel things. Do not tell me they didn’t I literally have the screenshot.

As for the other comments yours included they were denying that ADHD could be having an impact here. Most others were very rude and offensive.

If you disagree with @MNHQ decision to remove them, then reach out and communicate with them about it.

This isn’t some crazy conspiracy, they were removed because they broke talk guidelines.

CovertImage · 07/11/2022 17:02

I agree with every post that @AlienatedChildGrown has made in this thread

AlienatedChildGrown · 07/11/2022 17:59

Does anybody know what I type to summon Mumsnet Towers ?

Seriously if anybody would like to participate in a push back I’d appreciate any hands willing to be on deck. PM away.

I’d like to make it clear why I am saying what I am saying.

A) I’m out in real life. I’m a teacher. A dyslexic, English teacher with ADHD. I’m out with parents & students because I want them to see you can have this and still fall somewhere between Richard Branson and Hot Mess. The former and latter get lots of exposure. But those of us in the middle, doing OK, most of the time, having productive work lives and family (with blips, but then who doesn’t?) I don’t want to go back in the closet because ADHD got the same treatment other “Thou Shalt Handle With Kid Gloves And Never Challenge Their Facts”. I’ll have to if this takes hold. The Hot Messes Who Need Attention of the world will become my (unelected) representative online. It will impact my ability to attract new clients and contracts if my condition becomes seen as “hot potato walking into the staffroom”-ish. How can I show kids it’s not the end of the world to get this label, your life is still yours to shape and improve, if I have to go back to hiding the label out of self-preservation ?

B) I think not perceiving people with ADHD as just as capable of knowing right from wrong, just as capable of interacting on forums with both the rough and the smooth is othering. Frankly, discriminatory. Like we are some kind of poor little failing humans who can’t help ourselves. That ideology sets people like me up for failure. Is it seductive? Oh hell yes. Does it create a way to a personal hell paved with good intentions by the kind hearted, or censorious ? Sure does. That’s cruel. It might feel good to say it, or hear it, or repeat it. But the people with ADHD who take that message on board as “this is how the world should be, so this is how the world is” are the ones most at risk of being doomed to live with the belief that their locus of control is entirely in “society’s” hands. And that can be a bad, bad place to live if you want better than the cards you were handed by the gene pool.

C) It’s fine to disagree with me. Think I’m wrong. (Bound to be, human = fallible) Argue the toss with me. All good. I don’t claim to have all of the answers for all of the people, all of the time. But if you want me to hear your arguments. Then make them. Show me all the persuasive reasons you think I should switch to your perspective to at least some degree. But if you censor NTs about ADHD and force them to self-censor from now on, then expect a hard push back. Because NOBODY speaks for all of us. And I will not be dragged down by those who want us shoved into an “untouchable” box, for their own reasons. I will not just sit here like a helpless bystander while a group of people feeling all oppressed make the world think we are incapable of having a moral compass, making good judgments, running our own lives as equal adults, and parenting our children appropriately because we can’t “help ourselves”.

The vast overwhelming majority can help ourselves. Few people are deemed incapable of being responsible for themselves due to ADHD. The few that are in that place, need all of the “oh hey, back off now, unequal playing field” points, nobody should be trying to pocket their compassion points.

And while we might have our own ADHD flavoured issues with a playing field somewhat on a slope, so does most of humanity. Genetic, environmental, bit of both, few get a perfect hand and the perfect instincts for playing it as well as it can be.

There are more somewhat lame ducks in human geography than there are tidy waddlers. So before deciding “the NTs” (dear god I wishing that particularly terminology would leave the planet) need to be shut down unless they are all Nodding Doggy when ADHDers speak, bear in mind, they too likely have their own unlevel playing field issues. Which pretty much makes us equal. As it should be.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 18:18

Have you actually read the thread @AlienatedChildGrown? Not one person is infantilising people with ADHD, nor is anyone making excuses for the OP’s behaviour.

People with ADHD and people without on this thread have all said a variation of the very same thing. And that is that yes the ADHD brain is prone to poor impulse control, risky behaviour seeking etc. However this is not an excuse, it is up to the OP to manage these impulses and find coping mechanisms that work for her. Many of us suggested ways she could do this.

You seem to be fixating on the post removals and correlating these to some odd crusade against censoring neuro typical people, which is just so astonishing as you yourself admit to not knowing what the removed posts said. It’s been explained to you that they were removed because they broke talk guidelines, name calling and personal attacks aren’t allowed for a very good reason. This is not censorship, nor is anyone dragging you down.

Whilst what you’re saying has some merit, it’s simply not what’s happened on this thread.

ThreeblackCats · 07/11/2022 18:26

You may well have been diagnosed with ADHD, but you’re still an adult and you are responsible for your own actions.
If my DH was engaging in overly flirtatious messages (he wouldn’t) but it would be a massive red flag and if repeated could finish our relationship because I’m not a mug.

You're treating your poor partner like a twat.

sorry op but that’s the nicest I can manage. If we were face to Face I’d be giving you a serious talk about your nastiness.

take responsibility for your cheating.

Nanny0gg · 07/11/2022 18:32

Happywhenitrains7 · 05/11/2022 07:10

I hope those replying who are telling them what has and hasn’t got to do with adhd actually have adhd themselves. I do and I can relate .

This thread makes me wonder how many people out there are undiagnosed? Without even an inkling it could be the case

AlienatedChildGrown · 07/11/2022 18:51

@Lachimolala For somebody who finds my posts incomprehensible you spend a lot of time responding to them telling me that I’ve got it all wrong.

I skimmed the thread. If anything notably report worthy had been said (as per normal rules, for all of the poster, all of the time) I would have reported it. I sure as hell would have noticed that number of report worthy posts.

This thread is full of holes for saying what people say happily, and are applauded for saying, all over the relationships board. Don’t blame anybody but yourself for your “dipping toes tantalisingly near the water of betrayal”. And doing that is very very bad. And awful for all the people who love you, or depend on you.

Not everybody agrees that ADHD should be a diagnosis. Nor the theories about how it occurs. Nor that it is neurological, as opposed to a product of one’s personality traits impacted by environment. Those conversations need to happen. In part because that is how professionals dig down deeper and find out more about “a clump of behaviours” as a condition. Diagnosis and strategies can be improved, honed, discovered via that disagreement with a “This is the way it is and don’t question it, you bigot”. As somebody who can’t be medicated I don’t want this particular diagnosis to end up where some other diagnosis have been dragged. Into the dark ages of “Thou Shalt Not Question”. In the last 6 generations only my great grandmother, my sister, 4/12 cousins and my kid have managed to swerve it. So I’m very keen for my potential grandchildren to have the best possible explanation and medical solutions should they get whacked with the family ADHD stick.

In part because for lay people who do or do not have ADHD, their skepticism is a core part of how society views and treat those who claim the condition publicly. They may have qualms (or outright disbelief) about some of the criteria, in some of the people, some of the time, and how much personal responsibility needs to be factored in. Shutting down that conversation impacts the extent to which people understand the various presentations of ADHD (for now, until/unless a better theory overtakes it). How there are huge variety of approaches taken in terms of developing self-management for a decent quality of life by people with it. And there isn’t a “one size fits all so you can’t say that!” dynamic going on.

And in part because ADHD was trendy for a bit with the youth online, as is self-diagnosis is valid and stunning and brave bollicks. The young have moved on to Tourette’s and Multiple Personality Disorder. But ADHD is going to feature strongly for a while in the Non Z Gens for a while, cos we tend to lag in terms of “trendy new condition to claim”.

20 odd years ago it was bipolar. My 1st introduction to The Shouty Online & their Self Appointed Activism in the Name Of A Disorder (and their “you can’t say that” bollocks). While I was neck deep in caring for MIL who had it with bells on. She was fine, had no idea the internet existed. But I ended up dealing with the backlash that started with holey threads and ended up in the real world.

So by all means keep replying to my poste that make no sense. Just don’t expect me to pipe down and pootle off if you do. This is not my first rodeo with this crap. And this time there is no old lady keeping me up at all hours with no energy to focus on how a few can impact the general public’s perception of all with the label.

Kite22 · 07/11/2022 19:25

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 16:51

That is absolutely not true, the poster who responded to me blatantly denied my diagnosis and called me an idiot amongst other incredibly cruel things. Do not tell me they didn’t I literally have the screenshot.

As for the other comments yours included they were denying that ADHD could be having an impact here. Most others were very rude and offensive.

If you disagree with @MNHQ decision to remove them, then reach out and communicate with them about it.

This isn’t some crazy conspiracy, they were removed because they broke talk guidelines.

As I said, I am obviously not aware of any posts that might have been made whilst I wasn't reading the thread, but I had read everything up until when I posted, and clearly would have seen posts that were offensive. I quite often report posts on here as I believe this is a forum for debate, not abuse. Equally, not for shutting down any opinion that doesn't fit with yours - that isn't debate.

As for the other comments yours included they were denying that ADHD could be having an impact here.

That simply isn't true. You seem to be confusing "having an impact" on the way you behave or sometimes meaning "you have to work harder at controlling the way you behave" with "making you do something wrong" or "being unable to have any influence over the way you behave".

@MNHQ have been asked to come back to the thread, but they have decided not to.

LoveMyCats1 · 07/11/2022 19:39

Yabvu

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 20:09

Kite22 · 07/11/2022 19:25

As I said, I am obviously not aware of any posts that might have been made whilst I wasn't reading the thread, but I had read everything up until when I posted, and clearly would have seen posts that were offensive. I quite often report posts on here as I believe this is a forum for debate, not abuse. Equally, not for shutting down any opinion that doesn't fit with yours - that isn't debate.

As for the other comments yours included they were denying that ADHD could be having an impact here.

That simply isn't true. You seem to be confusing "having an impact" on the way you behave or sometimes meaning "you have to work harder at controlling the way you behave" with "making you do something wrong" or "being unable to have any influence over the way you behave".

@MNHQ have been asked to come back to the thread, but they have decided not to.

I’m not confusing anything in the slightest, you just don’t have the same opinion as me. Which is fine, what’s not fine is denying the posts that were removed for name calling and personal attacks.

Likely @MNHQ haven’t bothered to come back because there’s literally no need to. They remove posts that break talk guidelines, they don’t remove posts simply because people ask them too.

Lachimolala · 07/11/2022 20:12

Here you go, [email protected]. Took approx 15 seconds to find, take up you’re frustrations with them. It’s their decision to remove posts no one else’s.

NearlChristmas · 07/11/2022 20:31

If you don't manage to curb your behaviour to gain attention from other men then your partner will eventually tire of your behaviour and move on.

So work on strategies to avoid flirting to men. Where do they get your number from? Stop giving it out. Block and don't reply. Look at how you can manage your behaviour since you know you take more risks then each time you think of flirting or texting etc other men count to 10 and don't - take ownership of your own actions.

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