People are fine with being disrespectful to Christians

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At a church playgroup. The people who run it are very devout Christians. I am taken aback, by the number of parents, who thought it was appropriate to bring their kids to the church dressed for Halloween. Kids are dressed as witches, goblins, skeletons, creepy pumpkins etc..
The church holds a light party every year on Halloween and is very clear that they do not endorse Halloween.

Good grief the 'I feel sorry for you' line is so patronising and dripping in vitriol isn't it.

I thought lying was a sin?

Because that poster didn't mean 'I feel sorry for you' genuinely. Clearly.

Again, so many vocal Christian folk do their peers a disservice by acting in a way that they claim is 'unchristian' when someone else does it.

@Powderandpaint

Do your children know how much you resent them for having to carry and birth them?

I missed this first time around.

What a horribly cruel thing to say to someone.

Genuinely nasty.

You owe that poster an apology in my opinion.

Awful.

I am quite happy to appal @Powderandpaint . It's when I've got their approval that I'll be horrified.

@Powderandpaint

I wish I knew where all this BS about 'threats of eternal damnation' comes from, no Christian denomination I know does this.

The Baptist church in which I grew up - in the London suburbs in the twentieth century - made it very clear that the fires of Hell were not in the least metaphorical, and that if I didn't ease up on the eyeliner, that's where I'd end up.

Yeah I suppose it might be hard being at the funeral of a loved one while nearby someone with a megaphone shouts about how they deserved to die of aids and thanking god for their death. But people who are a bit mean on the internet, they're the real monsters.

@monsteramunch - don’t worry, I am very secure in the knowledge my child is surrounded by love and is learning kindness and empathy from his heathen socialist mother who has no regrets or resentment at his birth! I am pretty sure the same poster called me a baby killer on another thread. Honestly it just makes me feel even stronger in my convictions 😂

It was a Christian who brought them up.

And they are Christians. Maybe not the same kind of Christians as you, or as most people, but they are Christians.

I think we do all have to remember that like atheists, theists come in many different flavours. I mean, @GoldenOmber is a model of courteous and reasoned discussion (I remember her from a previous thread on this topic where we had a poster who was on the extreme side).

@Powderandpaint

Yup, seen some nasty pots from atheists on here, fortunately they get pulled.

The audacity of you calling other people's posts 'nasty' after what you said to PP about their relationship with their children is staggering.

Glad to hear it

For someone so keen on the word of god, that poster seems to have missed every scripture that involves not being vitriolic to people when they disagree with you or have a different live experience.

I'll take a loving, kind and warm atheist mum / sister / daughter / friend over a hypocrite any day!

All of the aforementioned vitriol just makes atheists like me, who grew up in church surrounded by such nasty comments just reinforces why I made the right decision.

I adore some people in my life who happen religious. They go to modern churches that at least attempt to understand modern life and individuality. I don't believe but we have mutual respect. They would never speak to or about someone the way that PP did. And if their faith leader knew they had, they would likely get a right bollocking. Rightly so.

*life experience (obviously)

We can agree to differ here. I think there’s a good case for the existence of God, and the reliability of the New Testament documents, and the resurrection of Jesus.

In case anyone is interested, here’s a cold case homicide detective’s account of how he became a Christian after looking at the evidence:

And this is a list of positive arguments for Christian theism:

The kalam cosmological argument and the Big Bang theory
The fine-tuning argument from cosmological constants and quantities
The origin of life, part 1 of 2: the building blocks of life
The origin of life, part 2 of 2: biological information
The sudden origin of phyla in the Cambrian explosion
Galactic habitable zones and circumstellar habitable zones
Irreducible complexity in molecular machines
The creative limits of natural selection and random mutation
Angus Menuge’s ontological argument from reason
Alvin Plantinga’s epistemological argument from reason
William Lane Craig’s moral argument
The unexpected applicability of mathematics to nature
Six reasons why you should believe in non-physical minds
William Lane Craig’s case for the resurrection of Jesus

All those are the titles of articles. Links to the articles are in the blog post I took the list from:
winteryknight.com/2021/06/10/j-warner-wallace-different-answers-to-the-question-why-are-you-a-christian-3/

I don’t agree with all the views of the man who wrote the blog post. But I like the list.

I guess it's the same for any religion.
For example Muslims shouldn't drink alcohol but many do.
There's always people that follow religion to a certain point.
I can see where the OP is coming from.

Why would they need to do that? Anyone can surely attend but just show respect to the ethos and values that the playgroup is about.

Needing definitive evidence is pretty contrary to the whole concept of religious faith

You don’t need to be Born Again to know what the Islamic sources teach about women. This is a video by an atheist ex-Muslim about these teachings. In the description box, there are links to every passage that he cites from the Qur’an and the hadith. So if you don’t believe me, you can look them up.

So you don't think that giving birth and creating new life is not only a privilege but a very special and unique ability? (And something that men will never have.)

Creating a new life is something that both men and women have. Both men and women are needed to create a baby (even in the case of reproductive technology, the sperm and eggs need to come from someone).

Once the child is born, the privilege of parenthood is available to both men and women. The fact that more fathers than mothers opt out of it, partially or completely, doesn't negate the fact that it applies to both sexes; or make it a unique privilege to women.

The only part that is unique to women is the part which damages their health temporarily and sometimes permanently, and may even risk their life. It may be an inevitable fact of life, but it's a bit much to demand that women should regard it a privilege.

Stunning!!!!!!!!!! A completely socially accepted occasion where people dress up and have fun is likened to bondage gear and serial killers!!!

WON'T YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

@Skye99 - So you are born again.

Would you like me to share some cherry picked videos by atheist ex Christians? You don’t need to convince me Christianity is the way or Islam is evil. You can’t. I’m an atheist, both are illogical and bizarre to me. It’s just Islamophobia is really just thinly veiled racism as all the abrahamic religions are from the same source and have nasty bits.

'If you don't want a child don't have sex' -Does this apply to men too?

Not all women even have much choice. I'm not only referring to the extreme but all too common case of rape victims; but also to the many women whose relationships, economic survival, and often the welfare of their existing children depend on their willingness to have sex with their partners/ husbands.

Ah, Christianity, that religion so supportive of womens rights

"In pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Exodus 20:17

"If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her, you shall...stone them to death, the young woman because she did not cry for help...and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife." [If the woman is not engaged] "the man who lay with her shall give 50 shekels of silver to the young woman's father, and she shall become his wife." Ephesians 5:22-23

"Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home." 1 Timothy 2:13-15

@Powderandpaint How do you be anti-contraception, but pro-choice? That makes zero sense. So you're anti stopping pregnancy but pro ending an actual pregnancy?

@Powderandpaint if you don't want a child don't have sex

Btw sex is for union and enjoyment, not just for having a child. Consent to sex is not consent having a child.

Until three generations ago in the West, and all too often nowadays in developing countries, being a mum was too often something that contributed to their death.

Many widowers and orphans had to worry not about how the late mother felt about it, but about her horrible death, and how to survive without her.

I am appalled by YOUR attitude of equating women's concerns about the health risks of pregnancy and childbirth with some sort of hostility to their children,